anonymous Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 I don't know what you're talking about.barf.hangonforaseccrewsarequalifiedaircraftisequipedetopscanbeissuedbytransportusingintercontinentalflight time, basedoncertainrequirements..allis wellat thelittleairlinethatcouldandwill.cheers.the767'sarefabulousbueatifulandwillbeahit.barf again.It was supposed to fly in July. It's great it's finally up in the air, but this was a SNAFU. Sugar coating it or ignoring it doesn't change that fact. The WJ etop plan from Alberta for this winter 15/16 is screwed cause of the 67 problems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 barf.barf again.It was supposed to fly in July. It's great it's finally up in the air, but this was a SNAFU. Sugar coating it or ignoring it doesn't change that fact. The WJ etop plan from Alberta for this winter 15/16 is screwed cause of the 67 problems.Of course it was. What would you like them to do? There is nothing to be gained from public flagellation. It's flying, things are good and most of us are pretty excited at the prospects. As for the winter Hawaii, we shall see. ETOPS certification is the first priority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpy Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Has WestJet ever had a major project go without delays? Air-res, LiveTV, etc....What they do well is recovering from these issues and getting a product which is successful. This delay is no different than any other and you have to look at the history to see that those making a big deal of this delay aren't looking at the big picture. Now waiting for those surprised by the inevitable long irrop delay with a one aircraft fleet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 25, 2015 Share Posted October 25, 2015 8 departures and arrivals in 2 days is not too shabby. Date Aircraft Origin Destination Departure Arrival Duration2015-Oct-24 B763/Q Calgary Int'l (CYYC) Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ) 01:29PM MDT 06:42PM EDT 3:132015-Oct-24 B763/Q Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ) Calgary Int'l (CYYC) 09:50AM EDT 11:42AM MDT 3:512015-Oct-23 B763/Q Calgary Int'l (CYYC) Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ) 01:20PM MDT 06:47PM EDT 3:272015-Oct-23 B763/Q Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ) Calgary Int'l (CYYC) 09:27AM EDT 11:17AM MDT 3:502015-Oct-23 B738 Calgary Int'l (CYYC) Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ) 01:17AM MDT 06:31AM EDT 3:142015-Oct-22 B763/L Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ) Calgary Int'l (CYYC) 08:40PM EDT 10:31PM MDT 3:512015-Oct-22 B763/Q Calgary Int'l (CYYC) Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ) 01:40PM MDT 06:52PM EDT 3:12 2015-Oct-22 B763/L Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ) Calgary Int'l (CYYC) 09:46AM EDT 11:32AM MDT 3:46 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ckl Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 So no news is good news with regards to ops of the 767 YYC-YYZ-YYC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airband Posted November 12, 2015 Share Posted November 12, 2015 Rumour has Omni wet lease to bridge hours required for ETOPS certification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 So far the WestJet site still shows the nonstop flights in Dec as 767-300s operated by WestJet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderbender Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Two Omni 767's until first week of January will cover the flying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 I hope their dispatch reliability has improved from 5 years ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Two Omni 767's until first week of January will cover the flying.So far their first flight YYC-HNL on Dec 11 is still shown as being operated by WestJet and not Omni. That will of course need to be changed but I guess any change is pending a signed agreement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fenderbender Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Yes that will certainly change. Dec 11th is the first day for Omni. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 It may be the first day for Omni but as of today (Nov 20) the WestJet site is still saying that the flight will be operated by WestJet. Calgary (YYC)Fri Dec 11 2015, 8:25 AM YYC-HNL WSLEISUREELF Honolulu, Oahu (HNL)Fri Dec 11 2015, 12:41 PM WS 1860WestJet Fare type: FlexNon-stop Flight details Close Please wait while we load flight details. Flight WS 1860 Operated by WestJet From Calgary, AB, CA (YYC) Total flight duration 7h 16m To Honolulu, Oahu, HI, US (HNL) Total flying time 7h 16m Departs Fri Dec 11 2015 Total ground time ----- Departs Calgary, AB, CA (YYC)Fri Dec 11 20158:25 AM Arrives Honolulu, Oahu, HI, US (HNL)Fri Dec 11 201512:41 PMTerminal: MAIN TERMINAL Equipment Boeing 767-300 Total miles 3124 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 The actual current operations of their 767 are doing very well. Despite average 2 flights a day between YYC and YYZ, there has been only 1 cancellation. Breaking in a new (to WestJet) is never flawless but they are achieving "Damn Close". has anyone taken the ride? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 24, 2015 Share Posted November 24, 2015 The aircraft and crews are doing 3 to 4 OWs between yyc and yyz daily, 34 since Nov 10 with only one cancellation. Curious re the crewing, does the same crew do the entire daily cycle or? Has any seen any passenger feedback re their experience? Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 WestJet given approval for Omni to provide an aircraft. Decision No. 361-A-2015 November 24, 2015 APPLICATION by WestJet, on behalf of itself and Omni Air International, Inc. also carrying on business as Omni Air Express (Omni Air), pursuant to section 60 of the Canada Transportation Act, S.C., 1996, c. 10, as amended, and section 8.2 of the Air Transportation Regulations, SOR/88-58, as amended. Case Number: 15-05275 APPLICATION WestJet, on behalf of itself and Omni Air, has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for an approval to permit WestJet to provide its scheduled international service between Canada and the United States of America using two aircraft with flight crew provided by Omni Air, beginning on December 11, 2015 to January 9, 2016. WestJet has also requested an exemption from the application of subsection 8.2(2) of the Air Transportation Regulations (ATR), which requires the filing of an application for an approval at least 45 days before the first planned flight. The Agency finds that compliance with subsection 8.2(2) of the ATR is impractical in this case. Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 80(1)(c) of the Canada Transportation Act (CTA), exempts WestJet from the application of subsection 8.2(2) of the ATR. WestJet is licensed to operate a scheduled international service in accordance with the Air Transport Agreement between the Government of Canada and the Government of the United States of America signed on March 12, 2007. POLICY When assessing wet-lease applications where Canadian carriers propose to enter into wet-lease arrangements of more than 30 days with foreign carriers to provide international passenger services, the Agency must apply a direction issued by the Minister of Transport on June 24, 2014 entitled Ministerial Direction for International Service – Canada's Policy for Wet-Leasing (2014 Wet-Lease Policy). The current application is for approval for a period of 29 days, therefore the 2014 Wet-Lease Policy does not apply. The Agency has considered the application and the material in support and is satisfied that it meets the remaining requirements of section 8.2 of the ATR. Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 60(1)(b) of the CTA and section 8.2 of the ATR, approves the use by WestJet of aircraft with flight crew provided by Omni Air, and the provision by Omni Air of such aircraft and flight crew to WestJet, to permit WestJet to provide its scheduled international service on licensed routes between Canada and the United States of America using two aircraft and flight crew provided by Omni Air, beginning on December 11, 2015 to January 9, 2016. These approvals are subject to the following conditions: WestJet shall continue to hold the valid licence authority. Commercial control of the flights shall be maintained by WestJet. Omni Air shall maintain operational control of the flights and shall receive payment based on the rental of aircraft and crew and not on the basis of the volume of traffic carried or other revenue-sharing formula. WestJet and Omni Air shall continue to comply with the insurance requirements set out in subsections 8.2(4), 8.2(5) and 8.2(6) of the ATR. WestJet shall continue to comply with the public disclosure requirements set out in section 8.5 of the ATR. WestJet and Omni Air shall advise the Agency in advance of any changes to the information provided in support of the application. Member(s) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 As far as I know there's a 'rule of thumb' respecting minimum fleet size, it's 3. I recall CP's wanting to purchase two 747's way back, but were convinced by Boeing that a minimum of three of the type were required to ensure the integrity of the schedule. Keeping two aircraft flying, especially older ones, from a maintenance perspective will present some challenges for Omni & WJ I think? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boney Posted November 25, 2015 Share Posted November 25, 2015 Wja and Thomas Cook had a similar arrangement for a couple of years doing the same flying as will Omni.Will pray to the gods for one good month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 they are giving the house away......WestJet1:25PM Thu, Dec 10YYC Calgary, AB 10:39PM Thu, Dec 10OGG Kahului, HI WestJet operates flight 1011852Show Details Hide Details Baggage Policy1 Stop12h 14mYYCYVROGGFromCAD 394 .41Round-trip Incl TaxSelect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manwest Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 they are giving the house away......WestJet1:25PM Thu, Dec 10YYC Calgary, AB10:39PM Thu, Dec 10OGG Kahului, HIWestJet operates flight 1011852Show Details Hide Details Baggage Policy1 Stop12h 14mYYCYVROGGFromCAD 394 .41Round-trip Incl TaxSelectItinerary shows one way not round trip Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIP Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 WestJet given approval for Omni to provide an aircraft.Decision No. 361-A-2015 November 24, 2015APPLICATION by WestJet, on behalf of itself and Omni Air International, Inc. also carrying on business as Omni Air Express (Omni Air), pursuant to section 60 of the Canada Transportation Act, S.C., 1996, c. 10, as amended, and section 8.2 of the Air Transportation Regulations, SOR/88-58, as amended.Case Number: 15-05275APPLICATIONWestJet, on behalf of itself and Omni Air, has applied to the Canadian Transportation Agency (Agency) for an approval to permit WestJet to provide its scheduled international service between Canada and the United States of America using two aircraft with flight crew provided by Omni Air, beginning on December 11, 2015 to January 9, 2016.WestJet has also requested an exemption from the application of subsection 8.2(2) of the Air Transportation Regulations (ATR), which requires the filing of an application for an approval at least 45 days before the first planned flight. The Agency finds that compliance with subsection 8.2(2) of the ATR is impractical in this case. Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 80(1)(c) of the Canada Transportation Act (CTA), exempts WestJet from the application of subsection 8.2(2) of the ATR. WestJet is licensed to operate a scheduled international service in accordance with the Air Transport Agreement between the Government of Canada and the Government of the United States of America signed on March 12, 2007.POLICYWhen assessing wet-lease applications where Canadian carriers propose to enter into wet-lease arrangements of more than 30 days with foreign carriers to provide international passenger services, the Agency must apply a direction issued by the Minister of Transport on June 24, 2014 entitled Ministerial Direction for International Service – Canada's Policy for Wet-Leasing (2014 Wet-Lease Policy).The current application is for approval for a period of 29 days, therefore the 2014 Wet-Lease Policy does not apply.The Agency has considered the application and the material in support and is satisfied that it meets the remaining requirements of section 8.2 of the ATR.Accordingly, the Agency, pursuant to paragraph 60(1)(b) of the CTA and section 8.2 of the ATR, approves the use by WestJet of aircraft with flight crew provided by Omni Air, and the provision by Omni Air of such aircraft and flight crew to WestJet, to permit WestJet to provide its scheduled international service on licensed routes between Canada and the United States of America using two aircraft and flight crew provided by Omni Air, beginning on December 11, 2015 to January 9, 2016.These approvals are subject to the following conditions:WestJet shall continue to hold the valid licence authority. Commercial control of the flights shall be maintained by WestJet. Omni Air shall maintain operational control of the flights and shall receive payment based on the rental of aircraft and crew and not on the basis of the volume of traffic carried or other revenue-sharing formula. WestJet and Omni Air shall continue to comply with the insurance requirements set out in subsections 8.2(4), 8.2(5) and 8.2(6) of the ATR. WestJet shall continue to comply with the public disclosure requirements set out in section 8.5 of the ATR. WestJet and Omni Air shall advise the Agency in advance of any changes to the information provided in support of the application.Member(s)Sounds Expensive. When is the second desert dawg supposed to show up ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Sounds Expensive. When is the second desert dawg supposed to show up ??It's in YYC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YYCMatt Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 On the Q3 conference call, Gregg mentioned that Boeing would be on the hook for at least some of the costs of the late 767s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Itinerary shows one way not round trip but the verbiage at the end says it is a round trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAS Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 2 767's are now in operation. C-FOGJ. & C-GOGN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 It doesn't appear YYC-HNL is bookable after January 18th... but whoo-eee I think these are the lowest fares to Hawaii I have ever seen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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