Kip Powick

Put this aircraft in the video at the same altitude of the recent "shoot-down" you can see the similarities ..https://www.britannica.com/event/Malaysia-Airlines-flight-17

Who didn't see this coming ???

The new ECONO model.....no drag from a vertical stab.

Initially the Iranians said they would send the black boxes to France. ( this was prior to admitting missile attack). Shortly after making that statement France said they would accept the boxes for analysis but are still waiting for them,. As of today, although the black boxes were found about a week ago, the Iranians have yet to send the boxes thus Canada is requesting they be sent to France now. I would think that when the Iranians initially stated they would send the boxes, "they" were still hoping it was a "crash". Their delay now can probably be accredited to the fact that they are reluctant to send the boxes now because they know that the findings will just add more proof to the "shoot-down" and would like to see the findings released as late as possible or possibly not made public..... as more condemning Press is certainly not what they want.

This is a duplicate from WestJet and Swoop news...that I posted earlier..I guess it belongs over here.. Whatttttttt ! Nobody saw that coming !!! Wanna bet fares will increase as well ?? JMO......"Guests" will look at that $2.56 and ignore that increase as just a 1/2 cup of Starbucks, ( sorry, this is ULCC so perhaps McD's coffee), and no big deal because it will be itemized, however, fares are known to fluctuate so those increases will be more of a concern to the travelers. But what is the reason for the fare increases ?? $2.56 /guest per ticket is hardly going to cover "one "guest" should Swoop have another boon-dongle such as stated in this thread..

Whatttttttt ! Nobody saw that coming !!! Wanna bet fares will increase as well ?? JMO......"Guests" will look at that $2.56 and ignore that increase as just a 1/2 cup of Starbucks, ( sorry, this is ULCC so perhaps McD's coffee), and no big deal because it will be itemized, however, fares are known to fluctuate so those increases will be more of a concern to the travelers. But what is the reason for the fare increases ?? $2.56 /guest per ticket is hardly going to cover "one "guest" should Swoop have another boon-dongle such as stated in this thread..

Los Angeles (CNN)A day after a Delta Air Lines plane dumped jet fuel over several Los Angeles schools, federal authorities said the pilots of Delta Flight 89 did not ask for approval to release the fuel as part of their emergency landing. Air crews will typically notify air traffic control of an emergency and indicate they need to dump fuel, the Federal Aviation Administration said. Air traffic controllers direct the plane to the appropriate fuel-dumping area. "A review of yesterday's air traffic control communications shows the Delta Flight 89 crew did not tell air traffic control that they needed to dump fuel," the FAA said in a statement. Delta spokesman Adrian Gee said the airline didn't have comment because the investigation is ongoing. According to the audio of the conversation between a Delta pilot and an air traffic controller, posted on the website LiveATC.net, the pilot said the flight would return to Los Angeles International Airport because one engine had compressor stalls. Pilot: "We've got it back under control. We're going to come back to LAX. We're not critical. We're going to slow to 280 knots, and uh, why don't you point us downwind at 8,000 feet (unintelligible) and we'll turn back to LA." Tower: "OK, so you don't need to hold or dump fuel or anything like that?" Pilot: "Uh, negative." The FAA also said the fuel dumping procedure did not occur at the optimal altitude that would have allowed the fuel to atomize properly. Fire crews treated 60 people after the fuel fell over five elementary schools and one high school Tuesday, said inspector Sean Ferguson of the Los Angeles County Fire Department. Children at six schools were affected by the fuel dump. Did this have to happen? The Boeing 777-200 was headed to Shanghai, China, Delta said. It had 181 people on board, according to radio traffic. "The aircraft landed safely after a release of fuel, which was required as part of normal procedure to reach a safe landing weight," the airline said. There are maximum takeoff and landing weights for aircraft, so for a plane with full fuel tanks to land, it must dump the fuel to avoid potentially crashing upon landing, said CNN aviation safety analyst David Soucie. After hearing the transmissions between the tower and the pilot, Soucie said, "The situation is a failure to communicate." The air traffic controller should have asked the question about holding or dumping fuel without using the word "don't," and he should have repeated the questions, Soucie said. The pilot said the engine was under control so he could have taken the plane over the Pacific Ocean to dump fuel or burn it off, Soucie, a former FAA safety inspector, said. Soucie said the pilots might have forgotten to dump the fuel until the final approach while doing a pre-landing checklist and discovered the weight of the plane was too heavy. And rather than go around the airport again to drop elsewhere, they might have decided to dump it over land. According to the FAA, which is investigating Tuesday's incident, there are special fuel-dumping procedures for aircraft operating into and out of major US airports. "These procedures call for fuel to be dumped over designated unpopulated areas, typically at higher altitudes so the fuel atomizes and disperses before it reaches the ground," according to the FAA. Had the plane been at 8,000 feet when the dump occurred, the fuel would never have hit the schools because it would be atomized after leaving the wings, Soucie said. It is "very rare (fuel is dumped) at a lower altitude where it reaches the ground," he said. Fuel has evaporated Those doused by the jet fuel were decontaminated with soap and water and did not need to be hospitalized, said Sgt. Rudy Perez of the Los Angeles School Police Department. Officials said Wednesday it was safe for children to return to the schools affected by the jet fuel. The children changed from their clothes and wore gowns. Park Avenue Elementary fifth grader Justin Guiti said the fuel sprayed all over him and got into his eye. "Drops of water were coming down. I thought it was a rainbow, and I looked up and it was gasoline," he said. Miguel Cervantes, a sixth grader, said his skin itched afterward. "I thought it was smoke, but when it went down, I felt it and it smelled like gas," he said. The affected schools had normal schedules Wednesday. All the jet fuel has since evaporated, the fire department said. "With the monitoring devices that we have, there are no explosive limits that are being detected at all, as well as solid or liquid products remaining," Los Angeles County Fire Department Battalion Chief Jason Robertson said.

I know how you feel. We were being fueled, (A-310), starboard wing and both of us were in our seats when the fuel line exploded at the nozzle that was connected to the aircraft. As neither of us were looking out we did not see the action but the poor, pretty wet, fueller rushed up and into the flight deck and told us he had a problem. .Geeeze the fumes would kill a horse... We had to abandoned the aircraft as some of the fuel went into the cargo hold...needed a new aircraft (2 hour delay)

And the reason for going to the moon is ???? BTW..it would take 7 months for a space ship to get to Mars.......hard to believe that peace and tranquility will last 7 months when most people get antsy in an aluminum/plastic tube that carries them, in the atmosphere, for 10-12 hours but......at least most have someone waiting for them upon arrival !!

Not sure what photos the author looked at but the first photos I saw contained this photo and as soon as I saw it, I felt it was a missile....all because of the bow-tie puncture on the nacelle. I have read all the documentation, diagrams, and video animation where the Dutch investigators followed the Russian launcher and proved it was the one that brought down the airliner and part of "proof" was the bow tie shrapnel that punched holes in the aircraft, near the port engine and cockpit area. I am pretty sure that when investigators "rebuild" the aircraft they will come to the same conclusion, which is rather a moot point seeing Iran has confessed.

My last post concerning this thread.....pile on if you like. What it was , is what it was. I make no apologies for my actions and have no regrets . Perhaps many are content to sit and watch the ignorant, or uninformed, cast aside manners and do whatever they wish without any consideration for others...I am not content Perhaps those of you that state I could have been charged with assault should refresh your memories concerning the definitions of Civil Assault and Criminal Assault

Absolutely, but unfortunately there is the old adage...The Fog of War... As far as USA knowing what was going on with respect to missiles/aircraft etc......yes. I was based in Colorado Springs a few decades ago and I can tell you that even back then the US had the best and biggest air/space surveillance system in the world and over the course of the passing years we can assume that their system is even better. At one point it was demonstrated that their equipment could pick out an individual reading a newspaper and see the paper's headlines. There are a lot of intelligence gathering systems very accurate and fully operational in the Cheyenne Mountain complex........but as you know, the information that is "leaked" from that and other US sites will only be leaked if it does not reflect badly on the USA. IMO, the airport should have been closed, at least until day light, but pressure to get the job done, (the flight), may have over ruled common sense of those responsible for "counting the airlines beans".

Probably.............. but as I am nearing the age of dirt, and with my tin hat and respirator I feel I am free to have occasional moments of level one sanity.