canadairguy Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 I think you're right, boestar. A simple service bulletin but it comes at a price. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 As I once understood the process; an air carrier is required to pay the ac manufacturer for a 'Supplement' to the ac flight manual, which will include performance charts, other relative documentation and the authorization to operate at a higher MTOW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Defcon: You are correct. It comes packaged as a Service bulletin and carries a ridiculous price tag for what it physically is. I suppose the price is the cost of certification they are recovering Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anonymous Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 It's the AFM that has to be updated to the new higher or lower weights. I don't think the cost to lower the weight is significant compared to the cost to increase it....And its the AFM weights that are used in calculating the landing and over-flight fees that airports and ATC charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIP Posted October 15, 2015 Share Posted October 15, 2015 Still would like to know if this delay in getting into operation is the aircraft or the regulator ???Will it affect planned ETOPS ops to Hawaii ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 It's alive, It's alive........2015-10-17 Calgary (YYC)http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/c-fogj/#7b92fbbWhen the display comes up, click on the "airplane" symbol in the bottom right of the display Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AIP Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 It's alive, It's alive........2015-10-17 Calgary (YYC)http://www.flightradar24.com/data/airplanes/c-fogj/#7b92fbbWhen the display comes up, click on the "airplane" symbol in the bottom right of the displayIt sure didn't get very far !! LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airbrake Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 She arrived in YYZ, not sure how accurate the time is though. A 1:45 flight from YYC would indicate she has a different propulsion system than all other 767-300ERW's havehttp://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFOGJ/history/20150924/2000Z/CYYC/CYYZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moeman Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 She arrived in YYZ, not sure how accurate the time is though. A 1:45 flight from YYC would indicate she has a different propulsion system than all other 767-300ERW's havehttp://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFOGJ/history/20150924/2000Z/CYYC/CYYZOn that link, if you click on the flight number you get this:http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA8901Looks like your link is from a flight on Sept. 24th, according to the "arrived 3 weeks ago" comment and this, but yeah, 1:45 to YYZ is pretty quick:http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFOGJ/history/20150924/2000Z/CYYC/CYYZ/tracklog Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airbrake Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 On that link, if you click on the flight number you get this:http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA8901Looks like your link is from a flight on Sept. 24th, according to the "arrived 3 weeks ago" comment and this, but yeah, 1:45 to YYZ is pretty quick:http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFOGJ/history/20150924/2000Z/CYYC/CYYZ/tracklogOh yeah. Totally missed the date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 She's equipped with the new Binford 9000 engines... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 On that link, if you click on the flight number you get this:http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA8901Looks like your link is from a flight on Sept. 24th, according to the "arrived 3 weeks ago" comment and this, but yeah, 1:45 to YYZ is pretty quick:http://flightaware.com/live/flight/CFOGJ/history/20150924/2000Z/CYYC/CYYZ/tracklogThat looks like dispatchers wargaming. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QFE Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 The Binford 9000s show she does 1120 Kts.With this speed you don't need 180 ETOPS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 19, 2015 Share Posted October 19, 2015 Westjet must have hired "Mr Scott" as an AME. Scotty: I say it's old, Mr. La Forge. It can't handle the interface of your power converter. This equipment was designed for a different era. Now it's just a piece of junk. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 There is now a flight plan from YYZ to YYC but none from YYC to YYZ, guess they must be using the "Transporter"C-FOGJ / WJA671Unknown Owner · Canada Toronto Pearson Int'l (CYYZ – info) Toronto, Ontario CA Calgary Int'l (CYYC – info) Calgary, Alberta CA 07:55PM EDT 09:46PM MDT Scheduled: 07:45PM EDT Scheduled: 09:36PM MDT Other flights between these airportsDuration: 3 hours 51 minutesThursday, 22 October 2015 Status Scheduled (in 50 hours 23 minutes) Aircraft Boeing 767-300 (twin-jet) (B763 – photos) Speed Filed: 378 kts (graph) Distance Direct: 2,692 km Planned: 2,692 km Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airbrake Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 She got airborne just before 16:00 local time. A weird route to YYZ. Heading there none the less.No passengers on board either. http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA8977/history/20151020/2100Z/CYYC/CYYZ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted October 20, 2015 Share Posted October 20, 2015 A weird route to YYZ. Heading there none the less.http://flightaware.com/live/flight/WJA8977/history/20151020/2100Z/CYYC/CYYZIs that not just chasing the jet stream?The route also saves a lot of NavCanada charges. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inchman Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Is that not just chasing the jet stream?The route also saves a lot of NavCanada charges.Nav Canada figured that part out a long time ago. Any flight that operates between two points in Canada pays Nav Canada all mileage, including that flown in the US, at Canadian rates. Likewise for flights between 2 US points... the mileage in Canada is paid to the FAA at FAA rates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airbrake Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Is that not just chasing the jet stream?The route also saves a lot of NavCanada charges.Possibly, except that a scheduled run at the exact same time flew the north route I fly almost weekly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Being it is a training flight perhaps that was why the route was chosen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Being it is a training flight perhaps that was why the route was chosen. Don't we have simulators for training flights?((( I am assuming the pilots on-board are WJ pilots and as such would be familiar with the route as well as the airports. ))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Kip. sims are good but to really familiarize crew with a completely new aircraft, actual flight time is the best ....... Yea or Nay?Other than a training flight, what would be your explanation oh wise one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 The flight time wheels up to wheels down was 3:33. My guess is that it was a minimum time track. I've flown a very similar route between YYC and YYZ many times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 Kip. sims are good but to really familiarize crew with a completely new aircraft, actual flight time is the best ....... Yea or Nay?Other than a training flight, what would be your explanation oh wise one? I was based in YYZ...Took the A310 course in France plus...7 Sim sessions....Flew from YYZ to YUL with 5 other pilots, did a few touch and goes and simulated emergencies....next day full revenue load to YYZ-YYC and return.I would think that if crews wanted to have actual hands on flying they would not go all the way to YYZ from YYC just to have that experience...Just my WAG...no "wiseness" out here in Dotland. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAS Posted October 21, 2015 Share Posted October 21, 2015 The aircraft is parked in YYZ at gate A6. There is training of some sort going on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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