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It was also dark and late in the night, other possible contributing factors.

Substandard is being kind. bordering on negligent. With some of the countries poorest weather at times this is unacceptable. How is the makeover of the Tim Hortons and the lobster shop coming along though ??? (SARCASM INTENDED). You are 100% correct on the "noise" from AC624, and now this. Two accidents (thankfully with no loss of life), possibly prevented with proper and operational equipment at the airport. Is it really going to take a mass casualty event for things to change ???? Won't be long before YVR has issues with no ILS 08L either, the fog is a coming . . . . . . . . . .

For many other types, but I doubt it for the B787, especially with rising fuel prices (generally). Airlines love the 787, cant get there hands on them fast enough it seems.

Just curious, how do you propose to "expedite" deliveries of the B787 ???? The deliveries list is pretty long and planned out a fair ways from what I have seen.

Todays Westbound (in use currently) Track message and eastbound for later today, If you are interested. They have started to use the 30 mile (1/2 degree) separation more, Track "U" this evening is an example. This is a big change, and highlights the importance of proper diversion off track if necessary PART ONE OF THREE PARTS- A RESNO 56/20 57/30 58/40 58/50 CUDDY EAST LVLS NIL WEST LVLS 310 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390 EUR RTS WEST NIL NAR NIL- B DOGAL 55/20 56/30 57/40 57/50 HOIST EAST LVLS NIL WEST LVLS 310 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390 EUR RTS WEST NIL NAR NIL- C DINIM 50/20 48/30 47/40 46/50 SUPRY EAST LVLS NIL WEST LVLS 310 320 330 350 360 370 390 EUR RTS WEST NIL NAR NIL- D SOMAX 49/20 47/30 46/40 45/50 RAFIN EAST LVLS NIL WEST LVLS 310 320 330 350 360 370 390 EUR RTS WEST NIL NAR NIL- END OF PART ONE OF THREE PARTS) PART TWO OF THREE PARTS- E BEDRA 48/20 46/30 45/40 44/50 BOBTU JAROM EAST LVLS NIL WEST LVLS 310 320 330 350 360 370 390 EUR RTS WEST NIL NAR NIL- F OMOKO 48/15 47/20 45/30 44/40 43/50 JEBBY CARAC EAST LVLS NIL WEST LVLS 310 320 330 350 360 370 390 EUR RTS WEST NIL NAR NIL- G ETIKI 47/15 46/20 44/30 43/40 42/50 42/60 DOVEY EAST LVLS NIL WEST LVLS 310 320 330 350 360 370 390 EUR RTS WEST REGHI NAR NIL- H 42/40 41/50 41/60 JOBOC EAST LVLS NIL WEST LVLS 320 340 360 380 EUR RTS WEST NIL NAR NIL- J 41/40 39/50 SOORY EAST LVLS NIL WEST LVLS 320 340 360 380 EUR RTS WEST NIL NAR NIL- END OF PART TWO OF THREE PARTS) PART THREE OF THREE PARTS- K 38/40 36/50 34/60 EAST LVLS NIL WEST LVLS 320 340 360 380 EUR RTS WEST NIL NAR NIL- REMARKS. 1. TMI IS 300 AND OPERATORS ARE REMINDED TO INCLUDE THE TMI NUMBER AS PART OF THE OCEANIC CLEARANCE READ BACK. 2.OPERATORS ARE REMINDED THAT ADS-C AND CPDLC IS MANDATED FOR LEVELS 350-390 IN NAT AIRSPACE. 3. PBCS OTS LEVELS 350-390. PBCS TRACKS AS FOLLOWS NO ASSIGNED PBCS TRACKS END OF PBCS OTS 4.FOR STRATEGIC LATERAL OFFSET AND CONTINGENCY PROCEDURES FOR OPS IN NAT FLOW REFER TO NAT PROGRAMME COORDINATION WEBSITE WWW.PARIS.ICAO.INT. SLOP SHOULD BE STANDARD PROCEDURE, NOT JUST FOR AVOIDING WX/TURB. 5.80 PERCENT OF GROSS NAVIGATION ERRORS RESULT FROM POOR COCKPIT PROCEDURES. CONDUCT EFFECTIVE WAYPOINT CHECKS. 6.OPERATORS ARE REMINDED THAT CLEARANCES MAY DIFFER FROM THE FLIGHT PLAN, FLY THE CLEARANCE. 7.UK AIP. ENR 2.2.4.2 PARA 5.2 STATES THAT NAT OPERATORS SHALL FILE PRM'S. 8.FLIGHTS REQUESTING WESTBOUND OCEANIC CLEARANCE VIA ORCA DATALINK SHALL INCLUDE IN RMK/ FIELD THE HIGHEST ACCEPTABLE FLIGHT LEVEL WHICH CAN BE MAINTAINED AT OAC ENTRY POINT. 9.ALL ADSC CPDLC EQUIPPED FLIGHTS NOT LOGGED ON TO A DOMESTIC ATSU PRIOR TO ENTERING THE SHANWICK OCA MUST INITIATE A LOGON TO EGGX BETWEEN 10 AND 25 MINUTES PRIOR TO OCA ENTRY.- END OF PART THREE OF THREE PARTS) PART ONE OF THREE PARTS- S NEEKO 54/50 55/40 56/30 57/20 SUNOT KESIX EAST LVLS 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390 400 WEST LVLS NIL EUR RTS EAST NIL NAR N561A N559A- T RIKAL 53/50 54/40 55/30 56/20 PIKIL SOVED EAST LVLS 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390 400 WEST LVLS NIL EUR RTS EAST NIL NAR N505A N499A- U SAXAN 5230/50 5330/40 5430/30 5530/20 ETARI MOGLO EAST LVLS 350 360 370 380 390 WEST LVLS NIL EUR RTS EAST NIL NAR N477A N469A- END OF PART ONE OF THREE PARTS) PART TWO OF THREE PARTS- V TUDEP 52/50 53/40 54/30 55/20 RESNO NETKI EAST LVLS 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390 400 WEST LVLS NIL EUR RTS EAST NIL NAR N445A N437A- W ALLRY 51/50 52/40 53/30 54/20 DOGAL BEXET EAST LVLS 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390 400 WEST LVLS NIL EUR RTS EAST NIL NAR N389B N377A- X ELSIR 50/50 51/40 52/30 53/20 MALOT GISTI EAST LVLS 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390 400 WEST LVLS NIL EUR RTS EAST NIL NAR N329B N319A- Y JOOPY 49/50 50/40 51/30 52/20 LIMRI XETBO EAST LVLS 320 330 340 350 360 370 380 390 400 WEST LVLS NIL EUR RTS EAST NIL NAR N269A N253A- END OF PART TWO OF THREE PARTS) PART THREE OF THREE PARTS- Z SOORY 43/50 46/40 49/30 51/20 DINIM ELSOX EAST LVLS 320 360 380 400 WEST LVLS NIL EUR RTS EAST NIL NAR NIL- REMARKS: 1.TMI IS 301 AND OPERATORS ARE REMINDED TO INCLUDE THE TMI NUMBER AS PART OF THE OCEANIC CLEARANCE READ BACK. 2.OPERATORS ARE REMINDED THAT ADS-C AND CPDLC ARE MANDATED FOR LEVELS 350-390 IN NAT AIRSPACE. 3.PBCS OTS LEVELS 350-390. PBCS TRACKS AS FOLLOWS TRACK T TRACK U TRACK V END OF PBCS OTS. 4.CLEARANCE DELIVERY FREQUENCY ASSIGNMENTS FOR AIRCRAFT OPERATING FROM AVPUT TO TALGO INCLUSIVE:AVPUT TO LIBOR 132.02, MAXAR TO VESMI 134.2, AVUTI TO JANJO 119.7,KODIK TO TUDEP 135.45, UMESI TO JOOPY 135.05, MUSAK TO SUPRY 128.45,RAFIN TO TALGO 119.42. 5.80% OF NAVIGATIONAL ERRORS RESULT FROM POOR COCKPIT PROCEDURES ALWAYS CARRY OUT PROPER WAYPOINT PROCEDURES. 6.OPERATORS ARE ADVISED THAT VERSION 24 OF THE GANDER DATA LINK OCEANIC CLEARANCE DELIVERY CREW PROCEDURES IS NOW VALID AND AVAILABLE AS NAT OPS BULLETIN 2015-004 ON THE WWW.PARIS.ICAO. INT WEBSITE. 7.OPERATORS ARE REMINDED THAT EASTBOUND AIRCRAFT INTENDING TO OPERATE IN THE OTS ARE REQUIRED TO COMPLVY WITH NAR FLIGHT PLANNING RULES AS DEFINED IN THE CANADA FLIGHT SUPPLEMENT OR WITH ROUTES AS CONTAINED IN THE DAILY BOSTON ADVISORY.- END OF PART THREE OF THREE PARTS)

Not sure I understand what you are getting at. Random routes are not a problem, and can be filed as needed. Most of the time flights to/from western Canada are on random routes. If you are near, or plan to be close to the NAT tracks you would be required to file one I am guessing The 787 can go to higher levels, but there are also alot of them flying around these days as well.

That makes more sense. Can we start an irresponsible press thread now ??? LOL AS for the NAT Tracks, for the most part flights from Canada to Europe and vice versa rarely travel on the NAT Tracks. Most often random routes north of the tracks, but occasionally they will be on them westbound for at least part of the ocean crossing, before breaking off.

From the release: "So we'll be flying these international routes between 7 o'clock in the morning and 10 o'clock in the morning"

Do you think he, or anyone in the PR department read this before issuing it ??? Leaving Europe at between 07:00 - 10:00 (UK) is between midnight and 03:00 Alberta time. He would really have us believe that WJ had a choice of slots in CDG ???? or LGW ???? AC, who have a significant presence at LHR, make adjustments seasonally based on the slots allocated to them. This is part of the reason why some flights in and out, have different times throughout the year. Cmon Man. (NFL Reference)

Kinda bush league no ???? Aren't these the types of things that are dealt with first, before you start selling tickets ??? Another in a long list of mistakes. Makes one wonder how they (WJ) plan to become a global carrier ???

Nothing replaces an ILS, for many of the reasons mentioned above. There is one reason only as to why airports won't be installing ILS's in the future (your quote), and that is cost $$$. The old adage comes to mind, "you think safety is expensive, try having an accident"

Or what if a few dollars were spent on a glideslope for the localizer on 05. This thread probably wouldn't be needed if that were the case. When are the airports, and local airport authorities going to be called out ??? Does Nav Canada get some blame here as well ??

Multiple landing clearances are now issued with the expectation of no issues with the preceding aircraft. Further instructions (Go Around) are issued as necessary. Been happening in America for quite awhile.

Wouldn't dropping the fee $5 encourage more people to check bags, and make the onboard experience better ?? Or is it to late now that the cat is out of the bag in regards to bag checked at the gate for free ????

Wonder when EK will start service with the A380 or B777 to YXE, YQM, and YYB ????