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Here is a good explanation.....................(thanks Google) :blush:

Both aircraft will cover the same distance but the lighter one will take a longer time to do so.

It's amazing the things, some so basic, one forgets in the long run of a career.

I stand corrected! Anyone wanna take on the rotation of the planet? :Grin-Nod:

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PFM. ...Disprove that! :biggrin2:

but of course even the rotation of the earth is not perpetual.

Is the earth's ratation slowing down

Yes it is, due to a transfer of Earth's rotational momentum to the Moon's orbital momentum as tidal friction slows the Earth's rotation. That increase in the Moon's speed is causing it to slowly recede from Earth (about 4 cm per year), increasing its orbital period and the length of a month as well.

To picture what is happening, imagine yourself riding a bicycle on a track built around a Merry-go-Round. You are riding in the same direction that it is turning. If you have a lasso and rope one of the horses, you would gain speed and the Merry-Go-Round would lose some. In this analogy, you and your bike represent the Moon, the Merry-Go-Round is the rotating Earth, and your lasso is gravity. In orbital mechanics, a gain in speed results in a higher orbit.

The slowing rotation of the Earth results in a longer day as well as a longer month. Once the length of a day equals the length of a month, the tidal friction mechanism will cease. (ie. Once your speed on the track matches the speed of the horses, you can't gain any more speed with your lasso trick.) That's been projected to happen once the day and month both equal about 47 (current) days, billions of years in the future. If the Earth and Moon still exist, the Moon's distance will have increased to about 135% of its current value.

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"It's amazing the things, some so basic, one forgets in the long run of a career.



I stand corrected! Anyone wanna take on the rotation of the planet? :Grin-Nod:"



Such as the only reason a Dash 7 is able to climb is the fact that there is a curvature to the earth or is it the gravitational pull of the moon?


Not sure if the rotation of the planet helped the -7.

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Such as the only reason a Dash 7 is able to climb is the fact that there is a curvature to the earth or is it the gravitational pull of the moon?

Not sure if the rotation of the planet helped the -7.

The Dash 7 doesn't climb - the earth repels it at about 500 fpm :cry_smile:

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"It's amazing the things, some so basic, one forgets in the long run of a career.

I stand corrected! Anyone wanna take on the rotation of the planet? :Grin-Nod:"

Such as the only reason a Dash 7 is able to climb is the fact that there is a curvature to the earth or is it the gravitational pull of the moon?
Not sure if the rotation of the planet helped the -7.

OR A BAE146.....

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I would think the US Navy has a large inventory of underwater detection tools developed over the years wrt nuclear sub program. Think Red October. I would be surprised if they didn't have subs on patrol in the Indian Ocean. Boeing is a huge US company with a definite exposure here. I would speculate there are some operations going on that, for reasons of national security, we are not being informed of.

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I'm new to this site and would like to know how deep (depth) can the ping from the blackboxes be detected by the search vessels? Also what circular range would that vessel have to be too?

Guess someone forgot to say it, but WELCOME NIGHTHAWK!

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Most recent transcript is now on avherald. ( I won't say "final", 'cause everything in this case is subject to change).

One of the things that hit me as I was reading the altitude clearances is how bad that flight number is from a clear communications and clearance perspective.

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MAS 370 (Kuala Lumpur to Beijing)

PILOT-ATC RADIOTELEPHONY TRANSCRIPT

Departure from KLIA: 8 March 2014

ATC DELIVERY

12:25:53 MAS 370 Delivery MAS 370 Good Morning

12:26:02 ATC MAS 370 Standby and Malaysia Six is cleared to Frankfurt

via AGOSA Alpha Departure six thousand feet squawk two

one zero six

12:26:19 ATC ... MAS 370 request level

12:26:21 MAS 370 MAS 370 we are ready requesting flight level three five zero

to Beijing

12:26:39 ATC MAS 370 is cleared to Beijing via PIBOS A Departure Six

Thousand Feet squawk two one five seven

12:26:45 MAS 370 Beijing PIBOS A Six Thousand Squawk two one five seven,

MAS 370 Thank You

12:26:53 ATC MAS 370 Welcome over to ground

12:26:55 MAS 370 Good Day

LUMPUR GROUND

12:27:27 MAS 370 Ground MAS370 Good morning Charlie One Requesting push

and start

12:27:34 ATC MAS370 Lumpur Ground Morning Push back and start

approved Runway 32 Right Exit via Sierra 4.

12:27:40 MAS 370 Push back and start approved 32 Right Exit via Sierra 4 POB

239 Mike Romeo Oscar

12:27:45 ATC Copied

12:32:13 MAS 370 MAS377 request taxi.

12:32:26 ATC MAS37..... (garbled) ... standard route. Hold short Bravo

12:32:30 MAS 370 Ground, MAS370. You are unreadable. Say again.

12:32:38 ATC MAS370 taxi to holding point Alfa 11 Runway 32 Right via

standard route. Hold short of Bravo.

12:32:42 MAS 370 Alfa 11 Standard route Hold short Bravo MAS370.

12:35:53 ATC MAS 370 Tower

12:36:19 ATC (garbled) ... Tower ... (garbled)

MAS 370 1188 MAS370 Thank you

LUMPUR TOWER

12:36:30 MAS 370 Tower MAS370 Morning

12:36:38 ATC MAS370 good morning. Lumpur Tower. Holding point..

[garbled]..10 32 Right

12:36:50 MAS 370 Alfa 10 MAS370

12:38:43 ATC 370 line up 32 Right Alfa 10.

MAS 370 Line up 32 Right Alfa 10 MAS370.

12:40:38 ATC 370 32 Right Cleared for take-off. Good night.

MAS 370 32 Right Cleared for take-off MAS370. Thank you Bye.

LUMPUR APPROACH

12:42:05 MAS 370 Departure Malaysian Three Seven Zero

12:42:10 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero selamat pagi identified. Climb

flight level one eight zero cancel SID turn right direct to

IGARI

12:42:48 MAS 370 Okay level one eight zero direct IGARI Malaysian one err

Three Seven Zero

12:42:52 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Lumpur Radar One

Three Two Six good night

MAS 370 Night One Three Two Six Malaysian Three Seven Zero

LUMPUR RADAR (AREA)

12:46:51 MAS 370 Lumpur Control Malaysian Three Seven Zero

12:46:51 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero Lumpur radar Good Morning

climb flight level two five zero

12:46:54 MAS370 Morning level two five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero

12:50:06 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero climb flight level three five zero

12:50:09 MAS370 Flight level three five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero

01:01:14 MAS370 Malaysian Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five zero

01:01:19 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero

01:07:55 MAS370 Malaysian...Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five

zero

01:08:00 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero

01:19:24 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal 9 Good Night

01:19:29 MAS370 Good Night, Malaysian Three Seven Zero

# end of file/BIT 30 March #

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12:50:09 MAS370 Flight level three five zero Malaysian Three Seven Zero

01:01:14 MAS370 Malaysian Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five zero

01:01:19 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero

01:07:55 MAS370 Malaysian...Three Seven Zero maintaining level three five

zero

01:08:00 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero

01:19:24 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal 9 Good Night

01:19:29 MAS370 Good Night, Malaysian Three Seven Zero

I wonder why MH370 repeated the level call 6 minutes after ATC had already acknowledged him?

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01:19:24 ATC Malaysian Three Seven Zero contact Ho Chi Minh 120 decimal 9 Good Night

01:19:29 MAS370 Good Night, Malaysian Three Seven Zero

I wonder why MH370 repeated the level call 6 minutes after ATC had already acknowledged him?

Didn't read back the freq, either. Maybe a minor omission, but significant especially going from one FIR to another...

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