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$3.00 but its a 2.5 hour journey with say 4 - 5 interchanges.

Sorry for delay, been away a few days, BUT ....

Union station to YYZ takes about an hour, I have been taking downtown-YYZ (I thought this was about downtown-YYZ, train vs subway vs ...) for the last few years. Eglinton & Mt Pleasant, add about :10-15 to that. I have no idea what route you are saying takes 2.5 hours. Are you using the rocket-bus from Kipling station?

Cheers, IFG :b:

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Union Station to YYZ. Driect Person Express or TTC. Pearson Express will be 25 minutes direct no transfers. The same cannot be said for TTC

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Same never was said about TTC, boestar, but it's nowhere near the ordeal that you're going on about, either. I use it often, pretty clear that you do not.

Express bus will take about 25 minutes from the last hotel on its circuit, if traffic permits. Subway runs every 3 to 5 minutes, transfers to Rocket-bus at Kipling, plus one transfer to Bloor-line subway if you didn't start on it - I.e. 1-2 transfers not 4-5. Takes about an hour or so from downtown stations (Eglinton/Mt Pleasant, add :10-15).

From anywhere on a subway line, TTC takes a little extra time for about 5-10% cost of the alternatives. The only correct part you had up there was the $3 ($2.60 for a token)

Cheers, IFG :b:

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ok...so I may have exaggerated based on my experiences with the TTC. HOWEVER the Pearson Express offers NON STOP, NO TRANSFER, DIRECT TO T1. service for an as yet unknown or disclosed cost. A far better alternative to the TTC offering

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Forcing a combined American Airlines (AAMRQ.PK) and US Airways Group (LCC.N) to surrender slots at Reagan National Airport would risk fewer flights to small and medium-sized cities, US Airways CEO Doug Parker told lawmakers on Wednesday.

Parker was testifying to a Senate subcommittee on the impact of the proposed merger of the two airlines.

Servicing larger cities is more profitable and thus the airlines, which together have two-thirds of the take-off and landing slots at Reagan National, near Washington D.C., would cut service to smaller cities if the Justice Department or Transportation Department required divestitures as a condition of the deal, he said.

Antitrust experts have said the Justice Department could request divestitures of some slots at Reagan National and a small number of other airports. Outside these hubs, the carriers fly different routes, for the most part.

At Reagan National, the new airline would have 68 percent of slots, far above Delta Airlines (DAL.N) with 12 percent, United Airlines (UAL.N) with 9 percent and the 11 percent held by other airlines, the GAO said.

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Forcing a combined American Airlines (AAMRQ.PK) and US Airways Group (LCC.N) to surrender slots at Reagan National Airport

Another case of bureaucrats and politicians who want to seen to being doing something even if it is unnecessary or counter productive.

There is another huge airport (or two or three) just down the road from DCA.

If AA/US must give up slots then the airlines getting the slots will just inaugurate service to places that AA/US already serve and not Podunk-hollow Tennessee.

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Another case of bureaucrats and politicians who want to seen to being doing something even if it is unnecessary or counter productive.

There is another huge airport (or two or three) just down the road from DCA.

If AA/US must give up slots then the airlines getting the slots will just inaugurate service to places that AA/US already serve and not Podunk-hollow Tennessee.

Are you serious?

Georgetown to DCA is maybe 15 mins, Georgetown to IAD is 40 mins minimum. If you use the Lincoln Memorial as "center ice", it's 10 mins to DCA and at least 45 mins to DCA.

The cab fare from Dulles to DC will run $70, from BWI it'll be about $80. it's about $20 from DCA.

Unless you live in the vicinity of Falls Church / McLean / Bethesda or further out than that, DCA is where you want to be if the destinations are the same, (ie shorter haul flights).

Apparently the US DoJ has a problem with one airline dominating a downtown airport. Seems like it inevitably leads to consumer unfriendly / economy choking high fares......

I suspect AA will be required to divest slots along the same lines as Delta did with LGA, and is how WJ bought it's 8 slots for about $18m.

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How many people will drive out to BWI or IAD for a fare that is $50 cheaper?

A lot.

Those 3 airports compete with each other.

.....and the US DoJ is quite correctly going to make sure that open competition continues by preventing any one carrier dominating the slots Washington DC's downtown airport, which was my point in the first place.

The reason the DoJ pushed for and obtained the LGA slot auction where basically only LCC's could bid on the slot packages, (with WJA and JBLU submitting winning bids) is because they are well aware what happens to fares in slot restricted airports when one carrier has dominance.

One has only to look at what has happened to the average fare on transborder and to a lesser degree, fares to Florida from LGA since 2Q 2012. The proof is in the pudding.

That's why it's a fairly safe bet that the DoJ will do the same at DCA to ensure LCC's get enough slots to keep fares down in various markets. They know fares will slide in various markets when that occurs which is good for the consumers and the economy in general.

If you don't think cheaper, stimulative fares have an economic impact on a community, spend a weekend in Barcelona on Las Ramblas and environs. Half of that crowd would not be in BCN if it were not for the Ryanairs, Easyjets, Veulings, Wizz Air's and Pegasus's out there.....

That logic seems lost on the regulators north of the border...

Consumer interests are never best served by a near monopoly.

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An all out news assault by NYC papers today with an intense focus on Bombardier and the days ahead-well researched and written articles that are must reads....

Canada Loan Crucial to Bombardier CSeries Project

http://www.wsj.com/articles/canada-loan-crucial-to-bombardier-cseries-project-1420763738

Jet Maker Bombardier Finds Bigger Proves Far From Better
Missteps Shake CSeries Project in Bid to Go Head-to-Head With Boeing and Airbus

http://www.wsj.com/articles/jet-maker-bombardier-finds-bigger-proves-far-from-better-1420766239

Bombardier’s CSeries Gamble Is Facing Longer Odds

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/09/business/bombardiers-cseries-gamble-is-facing-longer-odds.html

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Most importantly the C series aircraft is meeting or exceeding expectations on noise and other performance areas. More sales will come.

Especially if they can hit that minimum takeoff runway length sweet spot between it and a 737-600! :wink_smile:

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Maverick, I'm sure you're right and the whole manufacturing might of Bombardier is against WestJet, that's why it didn't want to sell it tens of Q400! News flash ace, the whole world does not revolve around WestJet, and it's not flat either!

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Nothing surprising here, but it does highlight the need for a cash grab.

Only a city with these Batman-style politics would sit down and play cards with a huckster who appears to be losing money hand over fist.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/porter-airlines-state-of-limbo-persists-as-it-awaits-a-decision-on-its-controversial-expansion-plans-203869

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Nothing surprising here, but it does highlight the need for a cash grab.

Only a city with these Batman-style politics would sit down and play cards with a huckster who appears to be losing money hand over fist.

http://centreforaviation.com/analysis/porter-airlines-state-of-limbo-persists-as-it-awaits-a-decision-on-its-controversial-expansion-plans-20386

Bad link. Here's a cut and paste of the article.

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Porter Airlines state of limbo persists as it awaits a decision on its controversial expansion plans
12-Jan-2015 7:46 PM

Canada’s Porter Airlines marked its eight year anniversary in late 2014 against the backdrop of uncertainty over its strategic direction and attempts to sell and lease back the terminal it owns at its largest base Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport as a means to fund its growth plans.

Porter necessarily marked its eighth year of operations in partial limbo, as outside forces remained unpredictable. The airline is still awaiting a decision by the city of Toronto to operate Bombardier CSeries jets from Billy Bishop, which is a politically charged proposal that has drawn criticism and is in the midst of further study.

The airline continues to maintain an optimistic outlook, concluding it has options to broaden its base outside Toronto as its current business remains viable. But it seems Porter embarks on 2015 with the same degree of uncertainty about its future as in the beginning of 2014, a scenario that is not sustainable over the long term."

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Potential customers may be afraid Bombardier will abandon CSeries program: former Air Canada CEO

Friday Feb 13, 2015 - Financial Post
by Kristine Owram

Bombardier Inc.’s weak balance sheet may be giving potential CSeries buyers cold feet, says the former chief executive of Air Canada.

“I think one of the questions in the mind of some of the buyers is, are they going to make it?” Pierre Jeanniot said Friday in an interview with the Financial Post.

“They don’t want to be left with an orphan, somebody that produces a few airplanes and then abandons the project.”

The rising cost of the CSeries program and Bombardier’s decision to suspend its dividend Thursday will make airlines even more wary, according to Mr. Jeanniot, who was CEO of Air Canada from 1984-1990 and head of the International Air Transportation Association from 1993-2002.

“I think people are beginning to wonder whether they will have the financial strength to pull the whole thing through,” he said. “Removing dividends is a major signal that you’re in trouble.”

Mr. Jeanniot’s comments come one day after Bombardier announced that CEO Pierre Beaudoin will move into the executive chairman role formerly occupied by his father, Laurent Beaudoin. Taking over as CEO effective Friday is Alain Bellemare, who was most recently head of United Technologies Corp.’s propulsion and aerospace business.

Bombardier also plans to raise up to US$2.1 billion in debt and equity to help shore up its balance sheet as it works to bring the CSeries to market before the end of this year. Mr. Beaudoin said Thursday that the CSeries program will now cost US$5.4 billion, a US$1-billion increase from the previous estimate.

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I suspect once the CSeries is stretched into the 150 seat range the program will find it's feet. The problem is Bombardier in trying to shelter itself from launching the program directly into competition with Boeing and Airbus they instead launched it into a lousy spot where any customer will still require a large regional jet and a larger narrowbody and on the larger side they're aiming at the end of the narrowbody market headed for oblivion.

I suspect soon after an acceptable EIS it will land some orders similar to American buying the Fokker 100 and Delta buying A310's. Just a friendly reminder to Boeing and Airbus that they shouldn't be taken for granted.

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I don't think Boeing or Airbus regards the C series as somehow not a competitor for orders. From that standpoint it was a mistake to think it would go unnoticed just because it was slightly smaller. Ignoring your competiton just isn't a good strategy, so it is clear now that the sizing of the C was a calculated gamble that didn't pay.

"Trip cost" lost the battle a long time ago in favour of CASM.

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