Kip Powick Posted November 7, 2017 Share Posted November 7, 2017 Was flying an A-5 over Gulf of Mexico Loss of a great ball player Photo of A-5 (apparently he was the only occupant) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Always sad when someone dies before their time, but I continue to wonder why the spotlight is focused on athletes, movie stars, performers etc. that most folks have never even met! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Most people never knew JFK or Martin Luther King but that didn’t negate the feelings they had when those men died suddenly and before their time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I guess my point is that the list of those who died early is very long and in my case occupied by folks that I knew. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 People want to indulge in Hero-Worship. Even if their 'heros do not deserve their adulation. A Hollywood star says something and people will not only believe it because a Hollywood star said it but they think that person is really smart too. Even though a close examination would show that the Hollywood star is dumber than a doorknob. (Leonardo di Caprio is a great example) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I think in Halliday's case, he was so widely respected as a human being, a man among men as one writer referred to him today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zan Vetter Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Halladay. Celebrate the greats, nothing wrong with that. And he was great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mo32a Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Never heard of him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blues deville Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Halladay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st27 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Cellphone video shot by the boaters who were first on the scene at retired Major League Baseball pitcher Roy Halladay's plane crash showed him doing a low-level steep turn and flying just above the Gulf of Mexico off Florida before he crashed. The video, obtained by TMZ, accompanied a story in which other witnesses said they had seen him flying that way, also. "He was flying like that all week. Aggressively," TMZ quoted an unidentified witness as saying. Halladay, 40, was killed moments after the video was shot on Tuesday when his Icon A5 crashed northwest of Tampa. TMZ said the boaters rushed to the crash scene but it was clear the pilot didn't survive. The NTSB is investigating. This is the second fatal Icon crash of 2017. In March of this year, renowned Icon test pilot John Karkow and a new Icon employee, Cagri Sever, were killed after evidently making a wrong turn into a box canyon while flying low over Lake Berryessa, according to the NTSB report. No information has yet been made available about the nature or possible cause of Halladay's accident. Halladay tweeted regularly about his affection for the plane. “I keep telling my dad flying the Icon A5 low over the water is like flying a fighter jet,” said one tweet by the baseball star. Although Halladay had been a regular renter of A5s from the training fleet, his aircraft was only delivered in early October. At the time, Icon said, “Roy's A5 is a significant airplane: not only is it the first Founders Edition A5 and the first Model Year 2018 A5, it's also the first aircraft whose airframe was made in-house at ICON's new composites manufacturing facility.” The Icon press release continued: “Its delivery is an important milestone as we ramp up production and deliveries. Halladay lives in Florida and has been using his A5 to explore the waterways near his house with this wife, Brandy, who has previously been an uncomfortable passenger in light aircraft but was won over by the A5.” Icon released a statement on the crash late Tuesday afternoon: “We were devastated to learn that former MLB pitcher Roy Halladay died today in an accident involving an Icon A5 in the Gulf of Mexico. We have gotten to know Roy and his family in recent months, and he was a great advocate and friend of ours. The entire Icon community would like to pass on our deepest condolences to Roy’s family and friends. Icon will do everything it can to support the accident investigation going forward and we will comment further when more information is available.” Video is below and there is rough language in it. view on YouTube Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Buddy sure has a limited vocabulary! Back when I was learning to fly we used to call the beech bonanza a doctor's coffin. Sad day. Rest in peace Roy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st27 Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Bonanza---also known as the v-tailed doctor killer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 Then it was the P210, and then the PA46..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 The sea is unforgiving and the air more so. http://www.skygod.com/quotes/safety.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted November 10, 2017 Author Share Posted November 10, 2017 Apparently Roy loved flying low, gave him the thrill of flying a "fighter". I would guess that he was flying low over the water and attempted a turn, forgetting that the wingspan was , what?, 35 feet and he would need at least 20 feet of clearance under him before he initiated a level turn.......wing tip in..... and ......? Or, depth perception is very difficult over pretty calm water so maybe he misjudged his height and hit nose down... Hopefully the NTSB can figure out what happened. I would also assume he had a total of very limited flying hours under his belt......and was just thrilled to be out there going fast... very sad for him, his family...a man who gave so much of himself to 'Sick Kids'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blues deville Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I’d have to agree with Kip’s theory of low flight combined with limited experience. Unfortunate but I don’t think the aircraft or it’s design are at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 I wouldn't be surprised if it was nothing more than descending straight into the water. The gulf was very calm that day, meaning the water was pretty glassy, especially at noon when the sun would be highest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canadairguy Posted November 10, 2017 Share Posted November 10, 2017 This video was apparently taken 2 weeks before the accident. Sadly, watching it, the accident itself almost becomes predictable. http://m.tmz.com/#2017/11/10/roy-halladay-plane-flying-october/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted November 20, 2017 Author Share Posted November 20, 2017 PASCO COUNTY, Fla. (WFLA) – The National Transportation Safety Board has released a preliminary report about the plane crash that killed former Major League Baseball pitcher Roy Halladay. The NTSB found that the aircraft operated by Halladay was “maneuvering at a low level near Port Richey, Florida.” Investigators said Halladay left from a private lakeside home north of Lake Keystone in Odessa on Nov. 7. The report goes on to say Halladay’s plane “climbed to a GPS altitude of 1,909 feet and tracked north for four miles before turning to the west toward the coastline. The airplane then flew for 10 miles and crossed over U.S. Highway 19 about 600 feet GPS altitude, then descended to 36 feet over the water before turning south. The airplane then flew on a southerly track past Green Key Beach at 11 feet GPS altitude and 92 knots. The airplane then performed a right 360 degree turn while climbing to about 100 feet. The airplane continued on a southerly track, flying as close as 75 feet to the Gulf Harbor South Beach houses. The last data point recovered indicated the airplane at an altitude of 200 feet, a speed of 87 knots and tracking 196 degrees.” Video footage taken of the airplane before the accident shows the airplane in a descending left 45 degree banked turn and then maneuvering about 10 feet above the water, the report says. The airplane, an Icon A5, came to rest in about four feet of water, investigators said. Halladay was pronounced dead at the scene, sheriff’s investigators told News Channel 8. The report said he received his plane in early October, just weeks before the crash. Hallday played for the Toronto Blue Jays and Philadelphia Phillies between 1998 and 2013 ((( Too bad the Press does not check spelling )))) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blues deville Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Poor spelling doesn’t bother me but Roy’s reckless flying does. I guess no one, including the Icon sales team, told the All-Star/Cy Young winner what he should and should not do with his new toy. Too bad. This photo attached to the initial post shows an Icon-A5 high speed step taxi with a wing tip close to some very glassy water. If you’ve ever spent any time in a conventional float plane that’s not really the thing to do. However the A5 design is closer to a jet ski than an airplane so perhaps more susceptible to this sort of dangerous maneuver. Icon might have to rethink their future sale strategy for this plane. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 one little "bump" and its a cartwheeling you go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 Someone opined elsewhere that the way the aircraft has been marketed, this type of accident was all but assured. If they truly did try to sell it as a jet ski with wings, then they should expect to hear from his family's legal counsel fairly soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 NTSB Issues Preliminary Report On Halliday Crash E-Mail this Article View Printable Article Text size: A A A inShare By Geoff Rapoport | November 20, 2017 RELATED ARTICLES Homebuilt Safety Record Improves Training Aircraft Collide, Four Dead Caravan Hits Car On Takeoff Airlander Deflates After Breaking Free The last data point captured by the flight data recorder on Roy Halliday’s Icon A5 before his fatal crash shows the light sport at 200 feet above the water with a speed of 87 knots, says the NTSB. The preliminary report says a witness told investigators that “he saw the airplane perform a climb to between 300 and 500 feet on a southerly heading and then turn and descend on an easterly heading about a 45° nose-down attitude. He then saw the airplane impact the water and nose over.” The NTSB did not say how often the A5’s black box samples speed and altitude data, so it’s unclear from the report how much time may have elapsed between the last data point and impact with the water. As a light sport aircraft, the A5 is required to have a stall speed no higher than 45 knots. Roy Halliday had been flying as low as 11 feet above ground level and as close as 75 feet to homes in his new Icon A5 before the fatal accident on Nov. 7, says the NTSB report. The 11-foot pass recorded by the A5’s flight data recorder shows Halliday traveling at 92 knots—cruising speed for the Rotax-powered amphibian. The NTSB reports that the safety pin on the airframe parachute was still installed in the activation handle at the time of the crash. Icon checklists call for the pin to be removed prior to flight. Halliday’s logbook included 703.9 hours of total flight experience, including 51.8 hours in the Icon A5, according to the NTSB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted November 21, 2017 Author Share Posted November 21, 2017 While Halliday did not do a complete pre-flight check list, and the pin was not removed, the airframe parachute would not have made any difference to the final outcome of this tragedy.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted November 21, 2017 Share Posted November 21, 2017 1 hour ago, Kip Powick said: While Halliday did not do a complete pre-flight check list, and the pin was not removed, the airframe parachute would not have made any difference to the final outcome of this tragedy.. Likely so, but it does show a certain lack of attention re the basic operation of the aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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