Guest Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 If you want to fly from YXY to YVR on WestJet, you will have to go over YYC. WestJet moves Whitehorse service to Calgary News provided by WestJet 09:00 ET Share this article Airline offers Yukoners more connections via YYC CALGARY, Jan. 25, 2018 /CNW/ - WestJet today announced that it will move its non-stop seasonal service between Whitehorse and Vancouver to YYC Calgary International Airport, effective June 29, 2018. For the first time, flights between Whitehorse and Calgary will be available for purchase as of January 29, 2018. "WestJet has been serving Whitehorse with seasonal summer service to Vancouver since 2012," said Brian Znotins, WestJet Vice-President, Network Planning, Alliances and Corporate Development. "As we continue to expand our Calgary hub, it makes sense to move the service from Vancouver to Calgary to offer residents of Whitehorse more destinations via YYC Calgary International Airport. This is also an opportunity for residents to fly non-stop to Calgary, and this summer will also see an increase to our seasonal service from three times weekly to four times weekly." WestJet offers 31 non-stop routes from Vancouver and 52 non-stop routes from Calgary. Details of WestJet's new non-stop seasonal service between Whitehorse and Calgary: Route Frequency Departing Arriving Effective Whitehorse – Calgary Four times weekly 6 a.m. 9:32 a.m. June 30, 2018 Calgary – Whitehorse Four times weekly 9:45 p.m. 11:26 p.m. June 29, 2018 The service is part of the airline's seasonal schedule for the summer of 2018, full details of which will be released January 29, 2018. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango Niner Posted January 25, 2018 Share Posted January 25, 2018 Interesting schedule. Stand-up overnight for the crews I'd suppose? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
airbrake Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 41 minutes ago, Tango Niner said: Interesting schedule. Stand-up overnight for the crews I'd suppose? We don’t do them scheduled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internet Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 WS sure is building up the YYC hub - another flight to connect into that massive 10:30am bank to everywhere Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 not exactly a lot of sleep time for the crews. Route Frequency Departing Arriving Effective Whitehorse – Calgary Four times weekly 6 a.m. 9:32 a.m. June 30, 2018 Calgary – Whitehorse Four times weekly 9:45 p.m. 11:26 p.m. June 29, 2018 The service is part of the airline's seasonal schedule for the summer of 2018, full details of which will be released January 29, 2018. Hmm arrive at 23:26, get to the hotel at 00;26, GET UP AT 0400 FOR THE FLIGHT OUT, A MAX OF 3 1/2 HOURS REST IF THAT. Is this even reasonable? or is it a different crew? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 1 hour ago, Malcolm said: not exactly a lot of sleep time for the crews. Route Frequency Departing Arriving Effective Whitehorse – Calgary Four times weekly 6 a.m. 9:32 a.m. June 30, 2018 Calgary – Whitehorse Four times weekly 9:45 p.m. 11:26 p.m. June 29, 2018 The service is part of the airline's seasonal schedule for the summer of 2018, full details of which will be released January 29, 2018. Hmm arrive at 23:26, get to the hotel at 00;26, GET UP AT 0400 FOR THE FLIGHT OUT, A MAX OF 3 1/2 HOURS REST IF THAT. Is that safe or even reasonable? or is it a different crew? You're in WJ crew sked are you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Just publishing based on the WestJet announcement, so unless the crew spends a day in YXY it would appear to be correct. Do you know better? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 No I don't but you're inferring that what they're doing is unsafe and you don't know either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 12 hours ago, Maverick said: You're in WJ crew sked are you? 8 minutes ago, Maverick said: No I don't but you're inferring that what they're doing is unsafe and you don't know either. Point taken, remark amended to "Is this even reasonable? or is it a different crew? " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjet Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 Most likely a 30 hr layover. Cjet Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thor Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 17 hours ago, Malcolm said: not exactly a lot of sleep time for the crews. Route Frequency Departing Arriving Effective Whitehorse – Calgary Four times weekly 6 a.m. 9:32 a.m. June 30, 2018 Calgary – Whitehorse Four times weekly 9:45 p.m. 11:26 p.m. June 29, 2018 The service is part of the airline's seasonal schedule for the summer of 2018, full details of which will be released January 29, 2018. Hmm arrive at 23:26, get to the hotel at 00;26, GET UP AT 0400 FOR THE FLIGHT OUT, A MAX OF 3 1/2 HOURS REST IF THAT. Is this even reasonable? or is it a different crew? I would welcome a 30hr layover in Whitehorse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 19 minutes ago, thor said: I would welcome a 30hr layover in Whitehorse. Unpaid or does duty time accumulate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted January 26, 2018 Share Posted January 26, 2018 4 hours ago, cjet said: Most likely a 30 hr layover. Cjet If the service is only 4 times a week most of the layovers would be a lot more than 30 hours. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjet Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 22 hours ago, Malcolm said: Unpaid or does duty time accumulate? Currently unpaid. In the past WJ has had 52 hr layovers in Gander and Charlottetown. We might see something similar in Whitehorse. Might also DH in or out on another carrier. We're doing a lot of that this winter. CJET Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livin' Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 Does a 24+ hr layover count as a day worked at WJ towards the monthly maximum days worked? ie. a 3 day pairing, departing home and arriving destination on a Monday, hotel all day Tuesday and home on Wednesday. Is this considered 2 or 3 days at work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 it will be interesting to see how this new sked fares, folks I know in the Yukon are not thrilled with what appears to be an attempt to take the route away from their AirNorth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjet Posted January 27, 2018 Share Posted January 27, 2018 4 hours ago, livin' said: Does a 24+ hr layover count as a day worked at WJ towards the monthly maximum days worked? ie. a 3 day pairing, departing home and arriving destination on a Monday, hotel all day Tuesday and home on Wednesday. Is this considered 2 or 3 days at work? Yes it does. That would be a 3 day pairing. You could be scheduled to work from Monday morning until 1 am Thursday. That would still be a 3 day pairing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnny dangerous Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 6 hours ago, cjet said: Currently unpaid. In the past WJ has had 52 hr layovers in Gander and Charlottetown. We might see something similar in Whitehorse. Might also DH in or out on another carrier. We're doing a lot of that this winter. CJET Just want to clarify something for the non-WJ pilots out there. The pilots are on a salary. For that salary, you can expect to work 15 - 16 days a month (sometimes less) and something around 77.5 hours per month. Ergo, a pilot is actually being paid for his/her time away from base. It is also true that if you decide to voluntarily alter your schedule by trading with another pilot, you will then only be paid for hard time. Even our own pilots make the mistake of thinking they do not get paid for the above example. Cheerio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zan Vetter Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 Ah this old debate; they’re being paid because there’s a 77.5 guarantee, so 77.5/16 is the de facto min daily credit, or, they’re not being paid because well, there is no actual credit attached to anything other than hard time. I see both sides but I think any airline pilot or flight attendant can observe, if there is a scheduling loophole that allows for doing something without being credited, it is exploited fully by the scheduling software. Hence the 30,40,50-hr layovers. I’ve always wondered how integrated the pairing-generation algorithm is with the block-generation algorithm. To wit, that pairing might be the cheapest way of operating a 3 or 4x weekly service, but when you fit it into the blocking solution, are you wasting days? I would love to know the answer. I see this as somewhat of a symptom of airlines’ stretch for market share, too. Lots of new once or twice a week services that in normal times wouldn’t make a ton of sense. Made possible by freebies like laying over for two days. That said, there can’t be that much of a pilot shortage if airlines are still building their network and scheduling their crews this way, eating up what could be productive, revenue-generating (and credit-generating) days with dead ones in hotels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpy Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 It might be "salaried" but a 24 or 48 hour layover means that credit loss has to be made up for sometime in the month which significantly impacts fatigue. Same with low credit pairings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boney Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 And, you are calling for min daily credit. Maybe those that have it can state how many guaranteed days off per month they get. WJ pilots are guaranteed, at the very least, 14 days off per month. If a high credit, min rest, crossing multiple time zones, fatiguing pairing show up, as a result of having to sit on your thumb, you can book off, file a report and get paid. Is that the same at non WJ shops? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boney Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 By the way, prior to the ALPA vote, I attended a "town hall" meeting in Toronto and the min daily credit was put to Greg. He indicated he will work with whatever you want, but something had to be given up from the contract. He was alluding the guaranteed off days, hinting that instead of 16 days a month for building a schedule, that number could rise to 18 or 19 days to build a monthly schedule. Hence my asking those at other shops if they can enlighten me as to the average off days per month with min daily credit. Note, seniority is not an option at WJ when it comes to building monthly schedules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 All those poor saps working Monday - Friday, only get 8 days off a month. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beaverboy Posted January 28, 2018 Share Posted January 28, 2018 1 hour ago, conehead said: All those poor saps working Monday - Friday, only get 8 days off a month. Only 8 days off a month. All while sleeping in their own bed and their own time zone every day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted January 29, 2018 Share Posted January 29, 2018 6 hours ago, beaverboy said: Only 8 days off a month. All while sleeping in their own bed and their own time zone every day. Suckers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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