Guest Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 What a great time to start a new air carrier. Looks like they have a hangar and offices in Calgary, should be interesting to see how things unfold. Anyone interested in investing in an airline?? http://www.newairandtours.ca/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jumpy Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 ...no offence, but have you been living in a box for the past six months? This is Tim Morgan and Bill Lamberton's venture and the word is the model is changing from Allegiant holiday charter company into a mainly oilpatch charter company. Growth plans have been severely curtailed with the ongoing credit traffic jam. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
better4me Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 ...no offence, but have you been living in a box for the past six months? This is Tim Morgan and Bill Lamberton's venture and the word is the model is changing from Allegiant holiday charter company into a mainly oilpatch charter company. Growth plans have been severely curtailed with the ongoing credit traffic jam. That and WestJet allready is Newair Tours with flights to LAS from YXE et al. Then there is Sunwing with their 15 737NGs... then its Skyservice with the Airbi twins..... and finally AT themselves come in with big bird. All this traffic (up about 16% from prior year) will flood New Air out of Western Canada. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 as long as the people New air poaches from WJ don't expect their jobs back if New air fails. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AME Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 mainly oilpatch charter company You think CDN north is going to regret dumping Peter? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 You think CDN north is going to regret dumping Peter? Peter who? Or can you say? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AME Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Peter Schiwieller (sp?) I heard he is over at new air and is working getting the YMM contracts that he worked on at CDN north Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-HANDLE Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 as long as the people New air poaches from WJ don't expect their jobs back if New air fails. Don't worry CC, your new seniority number is safe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Don't worry CC, your new seniority number is safe. actually, my senority number currently means nothing, which is what's one of the great things about Westjet. My point is that I don't want anyone working at Westjet who isn't happy to be there. If they were too disillusioned to stick at WJ, I don't want them back. Pretty simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-HANDLE Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 actually, my senority number currently means nothing, which is what's one of the great things about Westjet. My point is that I don't want anyone working at Westjet who isn't happy to be there. If they were too disillusioned to stick at WJ, I don't want them back. Pretty simple. Yeah, I know what you mean. "Yer either with us, or agin us". I have a rather large problem with the train of thought that runs along the lines of "if you don't like it, leave". We might do well to remember that the guys who are leaving were with the company from the start, when the top end of Captains pay was 60k. The kind of base salary we enjoy today is because these guys proved the LCC concept worked, and then asked for a better guarenteed salary. I, for one, won't be celebrating their departure, nor minimizing their contribution to the company. Hey, call me a rebel.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 I think you guys need to take a long hard look at who the frustrated WJer's are, how long they have been there and why they are upset before taking up your pitchforks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airjetmech Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 I think you guys need to take a long hard look at who the frustrated WJer's are, how long they have been there and why they are upset before taking up your pitchforks. Frustrated or opportunists? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Yeah, I know what you mean. "Yer either with us, or agin us". I have a rather large problem with the train of thought that runs along the lines of "if you don't like it, leave". We might do well to remember that the guys who are leaving were with the company from the start, when the top end of Captains pay was 60k. The kind of base salary we enjoy today is because these guys proved the LCC concept worked, and then asked for a better guarenteed salary. I, for one, won't be celebrating their departure, nor minimizing their contribution to the company. Hey, call me a rebel.... Actually, if they didn't like it and they left, I don't want them back. I don't give a damn if it's a company founder or someone who was hired last week. Just because these day-oner's did well in the beginning doesn't mean that just because they've been here since the beginning doesn't make their opinion right either. How many of them agreed with Tim about never expanding east of YQT, never going to YYZ, never getting as big as we are? Doesn't make them right, does it? I have alot of respect for everyone who helped build WJ to where it is today, including the guys that left or are going to leave. That doesn't mean I'll welcome them back with open arms either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Frustrated or opportunists? both? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Maybe they have enough money and want to try some 'fun' stuff again? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Say Altitude Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Peter Schiwieller (sp?) I heard he is over at new air and is working getting the YMM contracts that he worked on at CDN north Investor only. Too busy making money building hangars and flipping Dash-8's. Nothing to do with mgmt team at New Air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinnaker Posted October 11, 2008 Share Posted October 11, 2008 Maybe they have enough money and want to try some 'fun' stuff again? I think they're more opportunist than disillusioned. They know the guys starting the airline are die-hard entrepreneurs that can provide the excitement too. Also, if Peter S is involved... I'd be a little scared. A very smart man, loves the business, just cut of a completely different management style than Tim Morgan. One man is very transparent and honest... the other one is not so much the same. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkyBlazer Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Sneaky Pete is indeed a very smart businessman. I enjoyed working for him and found him to be straight to the point kind of guy. He is a good man to have on staff. SB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-HANDLE Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Actually, if they didn't like it and they left, I don't want them back. I don't give a damn if it's a company founder or someone who was hired last week. Just because these day-oner's did well in the beginning doesn't mean that just because they've been here since the beginning doesn't make their opinion right either. How many of them agreed with Tim about never expanding east of YQT, never going to YYZ, never getting as big as we are? Doesn't make them right, does it? I have alot of respect for everyone who helped build WJ to where it is today, including the guys that left or are going to leave. That doesn't mean I'll welcome them back with open arms either. Actually, we have a pilot who left, took a job with a larger carrier and came back. How does that sit with you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 He left why? He came back on the bottom of the seniority list, which I'm ok with. I believe he left on a good note, didn't burn a bridge, and if the powers that be decided he'd still be a good fit at WJ, then I'm ok with that. Is that acceptable? Would you have been ok with a certain 'Guy', who quit immediately after his upgrade? Bad attitude, constantly bashed WJ, WJ SOPs, etc. Left on a bad note, and when the company he went to went under less than a year later, would you have rehired him? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
E-HANDLE Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 He left why? He came back on the bottom of the seniority list, which I'm ok with. I believe he left on a good note, didn't burn a bridge, and if the powers that be decided he'd still be a good fit at WJ, then I'm ok with that. Is that acceptable? So what is the difference between one pilot leaving and coming back and another? You have no problem with this person, but if a day one guy leaves and then returns (at the bottom of the list), you won't stand for it. FWIW, I doubt that any of them would return. Me, I'm gonna wish them Buona Fortuna. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I guess you don't see the difference so go ahead and continue your circular argument alone. If you're confused reread my posts, if you have any questions, I will answer them as best I can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moeman Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 He left why? He came back on the bottom of the seniority list, which I'm ok with. I believe he left on a good note, didn't burn a bridge, and if the powers that be decided he'd still be a good fit at WJ, then I'm ok with that. Is that acceptable? Would you have been ok with a certain 'Guy', who quit immediately after his upgrade? Bad attitude, constantly bashed WJ, WJ SOPs, etc. Left on a bad note, and when the company he went to went under less than a year later, would you have rehired him? Yes, but the flaw in your statement is that in order to return in the first place, "The Powers That Be" would have had to have been OK with him returning too. The only difference is that pilot #1 didn't burn any bridges. Obviously you have a problem with individuals who are not "believers", and that's a separate issue entirely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 hahaa! I guess it's really obvious then? If only I had any interest in getting through to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moeman Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I'd really like to understand where you're coming from. You say you have no problem with a guy who didn't burn any bridges returning to the fold because the powers that be are OK with him, but a fellow that questioned the way WS does things, left, and wanted back would not be welcomed back by you. What, in your mind, makes one candidate more worthy than the other of your forgiving attitude? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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