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On 8/7/2018 at 3:28 PM, DEFCON said:

The CBSA officers are not well trained, just 'qualified'.

 

Can you back up your statement? I am advised that CBSA officers take the same gun training as police officers.

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Talking about delays in getting into a country.

Airlines warn of 'unacceptable' delays and 'frustrated' passengers at Heathrow airport

 

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Passport control: Airlines have hit out as the full scale of queues at Heathrow Airport were revealed
 
Passport control: Airlines have hit out as the full scale of queues at Heathrow Airport were revealed ( )

The full scale of delays at Heathrow Airport have been revealed as airlines warned of "unacceptable" delays and "frustrated" passengers

New figures show travellers at Heathrow Airport faced queues of two and a half hours at passport control last month.

 

The UK Border Force only achieved its target of processing 95 per cent of passengers from outside the European Economic Area (EEA) within 45 minutes on just one day in July, data obtained by airline Virgin Atlantic revealed.

 

The longest queues were on July 6, when non-EEA visitors spent up to two hours and 36 minutes waiting in immigration queues.

Virgin Atlantic chief executive branded the queue times "unacceptable" as he said "frustrated" passengers "regularly faced the longest queues in London".

He said: "This summer significant queues at Border Control mean that thousands of visitors have regularly faced the longest queues in London to get their passports checked, often over two hours, leaving them frustrated before they've even started their trip.

"Only the Border Force can resolve these unacceptable queue times and they must take action.

"We all agree that security and safety at our airports is vital and remains our top priority, but other countries are managing their borders more effectively.”

Last week British Airways chief executive Alex Cruz warned that Heathrow's queues were "significantly worse" than elsewhere in the continent.Writing in The Times, Mr Cruz said: "Two-hour queues are fast becoming the norm."

 

Heathrow chief executive John Holland-Kaye has called for the Home Office to allow visitors from "low risk countries such as the US" to use the same electronic gates that European Union citizens can access.

A Home Office spokesman said: "The vast majority of people who arrive at Heathrow get through the border within our service standards.

 

"But we understand the frustration for those who have experienced longer waits and remain fully committed to working with our partners to reduce waiting times as far as is possible.

"At the same time, we will not compromise the essential checks we carry out at the border which keep our country safe.

"We are making sure Border Force has the resources it needs and are deploying 200 additional staff at Heathrow over the summer."

 
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2 hours ago, DEFCON said:

Gator

Except for the rare individual, police officers are not 'well trained either.

I used to 'qualify' annually, which never was much of a feat.

 

So in addition to being a pilot you were also a "Sworn Officer" in Canada? Quite a varied Career.  Re annual qualification, it appears from the low number of incidents involving the use of small arms by Canadian police vs those in the US, that our training is adequate.

Anyway back to the topic for others here is an example of what is involved in the annual qualification.

https://www2.gov.bc.ca/assets/gov/law-crime-and-justice/criminal-justice/police/standards/1-1-2-firearms-training-and-qualification.pdf

Also of course they do get additional training:

https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/why-canadian-police-are-so-good-at-not-shooting-people

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Except that is not extensive training. 100 rounds a year is minimal and anyone who shots regularly will agree. Placing time constraints during the qualification, while increasing the level of stress, marginally, doesn't simulate any real world environment. Many police forces have altered their requirements because their officers simply cannot meet the requirements. Like anything you need practice.

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6 minutes ago, Trader said:

Except that is not extensive training. 100 rounds a year is minimal and anyone who shots regularly will agree. Placing time constraints during the qualification, while increasing the level of stress, marginally, doesn't simulate any real world environment. Many police forces have altered their requirements because their officers simply cannot meet the requirements. Like anything you need practice.

 

Is the average police officer a competition level shooter, no , but, in Canada,  the current level of training appears to be working when  coupled with other training on the appropriate use of lethal force.   

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