conehead Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 ARLINGTON, Va., March 27, 2023 – The Canadian Government today announced that it has submitted a Letter of Request through the U.S. government’s Foreign Military Sales program, regarding the acquisition of up to 16 Boeing P-8A Poseidon aircraft. “The P-8A is a proven multi-mission capability that meets all requirements and will protect Canada’s oceans and its borders for future generations. We look forward to working with the U.S. and Canadian governments to finalize this sale under the Foreign Military Sales process. Together with our Canadian industry partners ― CAE, GE Aviation Canada, IMP Aerospace & Defence, KF Aerospace, Honeywell Aerospace Canada, Raytheon Canada, and StandardAero ― we are committed to delivering 100% Industrial and Technical Benefits that will significantly grow Canada’s aerospace and defense industry.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted March 28, 2023 Author Share Posted March 28, 2023 Statement on the Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft (CMMA) for the Royal Canadian Air Force March 27, 2023 As part of its defence policy Strong, Secure, Engaged, the Government of Canada is seeking to replace the CP-140 Aurora fleet with a Canadian Multi-Mission Aircraft (CMMA) for the Royal Canadian Air Force (RCAF). The CP-140 Aurora fleet was originally procured in 1980, and the aircraft is currently scheduled to retire from service in 2030. Procuring a new fleet is required to ensure Canada’s military has the equipment it needs to continue protecting Canadian sovereignty along its coastline. Ensuring that the RCAF are well-equipped and supported, maintaining operational continuity, and seeking best value for Canadians, including through economic benefits for industry and communities from coast to coast to coast, is at the core of Canada’s defence procurement strategy. A Request for Information (RFI) was released in February 2022 to obtain information from industry. Following engagements with industry and Canada’s closest allies, the government has determined that the P-8A Poseidon is the only currently available aircraft that meets all of the CMMA operational requirements, namely anti-submarine warfare and C4ISR. This platform is a proven capability that is operated by several of Canada’s defence partners including all of its Five Eyes allies—the United States, United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand—as well as Norway, and South Korea. Germany has also recently purchased this platform. With a view to exploring this option in more detail, Canada has recently submitted a Letter of Request (LOR) through the United States government’s Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program outlining Canada’s requirements and requesting an offer. These requirements include up to 16 P-8A Poseidon aircraft and associated equipment and initial servicing, as well as access to intellectual property and technical data. The issuance of a LOR does not commit Canada to purchasing the P-8A Poseidon and the project remains in Options Analysis. The final decision will be based on the capability offered, availability, pricing and benefits to Canadian industry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Aurora Poseidon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Looks like a 737.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Yup, just checked - 737-800. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcaygeon Posted March 28, 2023 Share Posted March 28, 2023 Just a coincidence that Boeing told Canada in 2022 that the line is going to shut down in 2025 and sole source contract would keep it open just a little longer? Bombardier and PAL Aerospace have an alternative using a Global... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 6 hours ago, Bobcaygeon said: Just a coincidence that Boeing told Canada in 2022 that the line is going to shut down in 2025 and sole source contract would keep it open just a little longer? Bombardier and PAL Aerospace have an alternative using a Global... A Green Global is worth about $60M. A Completed 737 is about $50. Toss in all the goodies required I am willing to bet the global comes out at a much higher cost. I love the Global but I am not sure its the right platform Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falken Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Bloc complaining in question period today that the budget didn't support the Quebec aerospace enough. I don't think buying American after Biden's buy American policy will help soothe their feelings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 I am not a fan of Boeing, period end of sentence. I have been working on them for almost 35 years now but that being said, the P-8 is a proven platform using the 737NG as the base, not the MAX. That in and of itself is not a game changer either though IMO. I believe the MAX is very safe and frankly always was but that's water under the bridge now. To try to take that level of technology and integrate it with the Global would be daunting ($$$) at the very least. I'm with boestar, there's no point in re-inventing the wheel. Buy the off the shelf version that the Americans, the Ozzies, the Brits and the Indians have and call it a day. There also is an extensive amount of experience in Canada with the 737 NG both operationally and in heavy maintenance. This would be very easy to be supported by Canadian companies for its entire life cycle. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 12 hours ago, Maverick said: Buy the off the shelf version that the Americans, the Ozzies, the Brits and the Indians have and call it a day. Why buy a proven platform when we can hire some Liberal cronies to do consultations for 6 years to determine that it should really be a custom platform built in Quebec. In the end it cost 8X as much, be delayed for 17 years and won't be compatible with any NATO systems or hardware anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsplat Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 Wouldn't inoperability be a big plus too? I mean, if a Poseidon breaks away from home, parts and expertise would be easier to come by. Vs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted March 31, 2023 Share Posted March 31, 2023 3 hours ago, Vsplat said: Wouldn't inoperability be a big plus too? I mean, if a Poseidon breaks away from home, parts and expertise would be easier to come by. Vs Of course it would and it's exactly what we didn't do with the ships we're building. We could have bought French frigates ready to go off the shelf and completely NATO compatible and we'd have them already for about half the price we're going to pay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bm330 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Hopefully the bureaucrats don't get their grimy fingers into this project like they did with the Buffalo replacement. The 295 remains an utter catastrophe - delivered airframes are hangar queens and untold millions will be charged to redesign the remaining deliveries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest1 Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 1 hour ago, bm330 said: Hopefully the bureaucrats don't get their grimy fingers into this project like they did with the Buffalo replacement. The 295 remains an utter catastrophe - delivered airframes are hangar queens and untold millions will be charged to redesign the remaining deliveries. Why are they hangar queens? what is wrong with the kingfisher? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsplat Posted April 1, 2023 Share Posted April 1, 2023 Found this article. https://macdonaldlaurier.ca/sovereignty-in-the-arctic-and-the-struggles-of-the-cc-295-kingfisher-richard-shimooka-in-the-hill-times/ 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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