Climate Change Consensus?

[Guest woxof]

And here is the most amazing picture that gives me so much joy.

From Woxof the "Luddite" to PM(soon to be Ex-PM) Gordon Brown.

http://news.uk.msn.com/photos/photos.aspx?...1667607&page=22

[Mitch Cronin]

It sure is an awesome picture!

...but that it gives you "so much joy" is a puzzle.

[Guest woxof]

Why would you be puzzled? There have been so many hysterical statements(as some have described them) made about how global warming is going to create so many disasters. This reassures us that there is still some relatively cool air around. The cooler it is, the less global warming there is. The less global warming there is, the less likelyhood of the predicted disasters. Which can only be a good thing.

Or are you hoping for warmer temperatures and the predicted disasters that are said to come with it. I suspect there are many alarmists upset at the cooling off we have seen recently. How odd.

Woxof....hoping for more cold....because I care about the planet.

[Guest woxof]

Omigod, you're kidding, aren't you? This is your yardstick for dismissing global warming and all those describing climate change?

Wow.

Sorry Don...proof that Woxof is not kidding....

The mini ice age starts here

By David Rose

The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists.

Their predictions – based on an analysis of natural cycles in water temperatures in the Pacific and Atlantic oceans – challenge some of the global warming orthodoxy’s most deeply cherished beliefs, such as the claim that the North Pole will be free of ice in summer by 2013.

According to the US National Snow and Ice Data Centre in Colorado, Arctic summer sea ice has increased by 409,000 square miles, or 26 per cent, since 2007 – and even the most committed global warming activists do not dispute this.

The scientists’ predictions also undermine the standard climate computer models, which assert that the warming of the Earth since 1900 has been driven solely by man-made greenhouse gas emissions and will continue as long as carbon dioxide levels rise.

They say that their research shows that much of the warming was caused by oceanic cycles when they were in a ‘warm mode’ as opposed to the present ‘cold mode’.

This challenge to the widespread view that the planet is on the brink of an irreversible catastrophe is all the greater because the scientists could never be described as global warming ‘deniers’ or sceptics.

However, both main British political parties continue to insist that the world is facing imminent disaster without drastic cuts in CO2.

Among the most prominent of the scientists is Professor Mojib Latif, a leading member of the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which has been pushing the issue of man-made global warming on to the international political agenda since it was formed 22 years ago.

Prof Latif, who leads a research team at the renowned Leibniz Institute at Germany’s Kiel University, has developed new methods for measuring ocean temperatures 3,000ft beneath the surface, where the cooling and warming cycles start.

He and his colleagues predicted the new cooling trend in a paper published in 2008 and warned of it again at an IPCC conference in Geneva last September.

Last night he told The Mail on Sunday: ‘A significant share of the warming we saw from 1980 to 2000 and at earlier periods in the 20th Century was due to these cycles – perhaps as much as 50 per cent.

'They have now gone into reverse, so winters like this one will become much more likely. Summers will also probably be cooler, and all this may well last two decades or longer.

‘The extreme retreats that we have seen in glaciers and sea ice will come to a halt. For the time being, global warming has paused, and there may well be some cooling.’

As Europe, Asia and North America froze last week, conventional wisdom insisted that this was merely a ‘blip’ of no long-term significance.

Though record lows were experienced as far south as Cuba, where the daily maximum on beaches normally used for winter bathing was just 4.5C, the BBC assured viewers that the big chill was merely short-term ‘weather’ that had nothing to do with ‘climate’, which was still warming.

The work of Prof Latif and the other scientists refutes that view.

On the one hand, it is true that the current freeze is the product of the ‘Arctic oscillation’ – a weather pattern that sees the development of huge ‘blocking’ areas of high pressure in northern latitudes, driving polar winds far to the south.

Meteorologists say that this is at its strongest for at least 60 years.

As a result, the jetstream – the high-altitude wind that circles the globe from west to east and normally pushes a series of wet but mild Atlantic lows across Britain – is currently running not over the English Channel but the Strait of Gibraltar.

However, according to Prof Latif and his colleagues, this in turn relates to much longer-term shifts – what are known as the Pacific and Atlantic ‘multi-decadal oscillations’ (MDOs).

For Europe, the crucial factor here is the temperature of the water in the middle of the North Atlantic, now several degrees below its average when the world was still warming.

But the effects are not confined to the Northern Hemisphere. Prof Anastasios Tsonis, head of the University of Wisconsin Atmospheric Sciences Group, has recently shown that these MDOs move together in a synchronised way across the globe, abruptly flipping the world’s climate from a ‘warm mode’ to a ‘cold mode’ and back again in 20 to 30-year cycles.

'They amount to massive rearrangements in the dominant patterns of the weather,’ he said yesterday, ‘and their shifts explain all the major changes in world temperatures during the 20th and 21st Centuries.

'We have such a change now and can therefore expect 20 or 30 years of cooler temperatures.’

Prof Tsonis said that the period from 1915 to 1940 saw a strong warm mode, reflected in rising temperatures.

But from 1940 until the late Seventies, the last MDO cold-mode era, the world cooled, despite the fact that carbon dioxide levels in the atmosphere continued to rise.

Many of the consequences of the recent warm mode were also observed 90 years ago.

For example, in 1922, the Washington Post reported that Greenland’s glaciers were fast disappearing, while Arctic seals were ‘finding the water too hot’.

It interviewed a Captain Martin Ingebrigsten, who had been sailing the eastern Arctic for 54 years: ‘He says that he first noted warmer conditions in 1918, and since that time it has gotten steadily warmer.

'Where formerly great masses of ice were found, there are now moraines, accumulations of earth and stones. At many points where glaciers formerly extended into the sea they have entirely disappeared.’

As a result, the shoals of fish that used to live in these waters had vanished, while the sea ice beyond the north coast of Spitsbergen in the Arctic Ocean had melted.

Warm Gulf Stream water was still detectable within a few hundred miles of the Pole.

In contrast, Prof Tsonis said, last week 56 per cent of the surface of the United States was covered by snow.

‘That hasn’t happened for several decades,’ he pointed out. ‘It just isn’t true to say this is a blip. We can expect colder winters for quite a while.’

He recalled that towards the end of the last cold mode, the world’s media were preoccupied by fears of freezing.

For example, in 1974, a Time magazine cover story predicted ‘Another Ice Age’, saying: ‘Man may be somewhat responsible – as a result of farming and fuel burning [which is] blocking more and more sunlight from reaching and heating the Earth.’

Prof Tsonis said: ‘Perhaps we will see talk of an ice age again by the early 2030s, just as the MDOs shift once more and temperatures begin to rise.’

Like Prof Latif, Prof Tsonis is not a climate change ‘denier’. There is, he said, a measure of additional ‘background’ warming due to human activity and greenhouse gases that runs across the MDO cycles.

'This isn't just a blip. We can expect colder winters for quite a while'But he added: ‘I do not believe in catastrophe theories. Man-made warming is balanced by the natural cycles, and I do not trust the computer models which state that if CO2 reaches a particular level then temperatures and sea levels will rise by a given amount.

'These models cannot be trusted to predict the weather for a week, yet they are running them to give readings for 100 years.’ (AS WOXOF ONCE SAID ALREADY)

Prof Tsonis said that when he published his work in the highly respected journal Geophysical Research Letters, he was deluged with ‘hate emails’.

He added: ‘People were accusing me of wanting to destroy the climate, yet all I’m interested in is the truth.’

He said he also received hate mail from climate change sceptics, accusing him of not going far enough to attack the theory of man-made warming.

The work of Profs Latif, Tsonis and their teams raises a crucial question: If some of the late 20th Century warming was caused not by carbon dioxide but by MDOs, then how much?

Tsonis did not give a figure; Latif suggested it could be anything between ten and 50 per cent.

Other critics of the warming orthodoxy say the role played by MDOs is even greater.

William Gray, emeritus Professor of Atmospheric Sciences at Colorado State University, said that while he believed there had been some background rise caused by greenhouse gases, the computer models used by advocates of man-made warming had hugely exaggerated their effect.

Dr David Viner stands by his claim that snow will become an 'increasingly rare event'

According to Prof Gray, these distort the way the atmosphere works. ‘Most of the rise in temperature from the Seventies to the Nineties was natural,’ he said. ‘Very little was down to CO2 – in my view, as little as five to ten per cent.’

But last week, die-hard warming advocates were refusing to admit that MDOs were having any impact.

In March 2000, Dr David Viner, then a member of the University of East Anglia Climatic Research Unit, the body now being investigated over the notorious ‘Warmergate’ leaked emails, said that within a few years snowfall would become ‘a very rare and exciting event’ in Britain, and that ‘children just aren’t going to know what snow is’.

Now the head of a British Council programme with an annual £10 million budget that raises awareness of global warming among young people abroad, Dr Viner last week said he still stood by that prediction: ‘We’ve had three weeks of relatively cold weather, and that doesn’t change anything.

'This winter is just a little cooler than average, and I still think that snow will become an increasingly rare event.’

The longer the cold spell lasts, the harder it may be to persuade the public.

Florida-coldest since 1980, Scotland(-22.3)-coldest since 1995, Hambiurg(-22.8) coldest since 1963, Amsterdam(-6)-coldest since 1998, Beijing(-16) coldest since 1970)

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...tarts-here.html

Woxof.....The snowball gets bigger and bigger.

[Guest rattler]

Since you are quoting UK sources here is an excerpt from a BBC article along with the goto to the complete article.

First the author

Dr Richard Betts PhD BSc(Hon) MSc

■Leads the Climate Impacts research team in the Met Office Hadley Centre.

■Is one of the Met Office’s main spokesmen on the science of climate change.

Yes, we have had the coldest December in the UK for 14 years and now we are having a big freeze in early January; but the UK covers less than half of one thousandth of the Earth's surface.

Climate data shows that human activities are warming the world

Journey through climate history

Last year was actually the fifth warmest year on record as far as global temperatures were concerned.

The four warmest years were, in ascending order, 2002, 2003, 2005 and 1998. The last decade was the warmest on record, followed by the 1990s and then the 1980s, so the world is definitely warming up.

To be fair, people often make the same mistake but in the other direction, and link every heatwave, major flood, drought and famine to global warming.

Of course, we know that these things happen anyway, even without climate change - they may happen more often under a warmer climate, but it is wrong to blame climate change for every single event.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8451756.stm

[Guest woxof]

Thanks Rattler,

Yes, the U.K. Met office has been one of the biggest pushers of man-mad global warming. They called for the BBq summer this yaer in Britain where they had a cool and record rain summer. A few weeks ago they called for a mild winter. No doubt to try and influence the CPH conference. A look back in this thread will show Woxof called for cooling. But hey, when your odds are 50%, I guess I can be a better forecaster than them.

As my link to Professer Plimers interview(his book is called Heaven and Earth if you want it by internet order-best if you call within the next 20 minutes)shows....just follow the money. Huge dollars are involved.

You will notice that the article from Rattler was from the BBC, which is deeply involved in this scam.

And now as Europe shivers with plenty of winter still left, one has to wonder if support for the massive wealth shift in Britain, Germany and France(the three big supporters of it) is falling like the snow. Slowly but steadily.

Woxof...going skating today.

[Guest rattler]

Thanks Rattler,

Yes, the U.K. Met office has been one of the biggest pushers of man-mad global warming. They called for the BBq summer this yaer in Britain where they had a cool and record rain summer. A few weeks ago they called for a mild winter. No doubt to try and influence the CPH conference. A look back in this thread will show Woxof called for cooling. But hey, when your odds are 50%, I guess I can be a better forecaster than them.

As my link to Professer Plimers interview(his book is called Heaven and Earth if you want it by internet order-best if you call within the next 20 minutes)shows....just follow the money. Huge dollars are involved.

You will notice that the article from Rattler was from the BBC, which is deeply involved in this scam.

And now as Europe shivers with plenty of winter still left, one has to wonder if support for the massive wealth shift in Britain, Germany and France(the three big supporters of it) is falling like the snow. Slowly but steadily.

Woxof...going skating today.

So are you saying that the following statement is not correct (remember they are talking global and not the UK)?

The four warmest years were, in ascending order, 2002, 2003, 2005 and 1998. The last decade was the warmest on record, followed by the 1990s and then the 1980s, so the world is definitely warming up

Here is what another source has to say on the subject:

Press Release No.869

For use of the information media

Not an official record

2000–2009, THE WARMEST DECADE

Geneva, 8 December 2009 (WMO) – The year 2009 is likely to rank in the top 10 warmest on record since the beginning of instrumental climate records in 1850, according to data sources compiled by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO). The global combined sea surface and land surface air temperature for 2009 (January–October) is currently estimated at 0.44°C ± 0.11°C (0.79°F ± 0.20°F) above the 1961–1990 annual average of 14.00°C/57.2°F. The current nominal ranking of 2009, which does not account for uncertainties in the annual averages, places it as the fifth-warmest year. The decade of the 2000s (2000–2009) was warmer than the decade spanning the 1990s (1990–1999), which in turn was warmer than the 1980s (1980–1989). More complete data for the remainder of the year 2009 will be analysed at the beginning of 2010 to update the current assessment.

This year above-normal temperatures were recorded in most parts of the continents. Only North America (United States and Canada) experienced conditions that were cooler than average. Given the current figures, large parts of southern Asia and central Africa are likely to have the warmest year on record.

Climate extremes, including devastating floods, severe droughts, snowstorms, heatwaves and cold waves, were recorded in many parts of the world. This year the extreme warm events were more frequent and intense in southern South America, Australia and southern Asia, in particular. La Niña conditions shifted into a warm-phase El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) in June. The Arctic sea ice extent during the melt season ranked the third lowest, after the lowest and second-lowest records set in 2007 and 2008, respectively.

This preliminary information for 2009 is based on climate data from networks of land-based weather and climate stations, ships and buoys, as well as satellites. The data are continuously collected and disseminated by the National Meteorological and Hydrological Services (NMHSs) of the 189 Members of WMO and several collaborating research institutions. The data continuously feed three main depository global climate data and analysis centres, which develop and maintain homogeneous global climate datasets based on peer-reviewed methodologies. The WMO global temperature analysis is thus based on three complementary datasets. One is the combined dataset maintained by both the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office and the Climatic Research Unit, University of East Anglia, United Kingdom. Another dataset is maintained by the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) under the United States Department of Commerce, and the third one is from the Goddard Institute of Space Studies (GISS) operated by the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). The content of the WMO statement is verified and peer-reviewed by leading experts from other international, regional and national climate institutions and centres before its publication.

Final updates and figures for 2009 will be published in March 2010 in the annual WMO Statement on the Status of the Global Climate.

Regional temperature anomalies

The year 2009 (January–October) was again warmer than the 1961–1990 average all over Europe and the Middle East. China had the third-warmest year since 1951; for some regions 2009 was the warmest year. The year started with a mild January in northern Europe and large parts of Asia, while western and central Europe were colder than normal. Russia and the Great Lakes region in Canada experienced colder-than- average temperatures in February and January, respectively. Spring was very warm in Europe and Asia; April in particular was extremely warm in central Europe. Germany, the Czech Republic and Austria reported temperature anomalies of more than +5°C, breaking the previous records for the month in several locations. The European summer was also warmer than the long-term average, particularly over the southern regions. Spain had the third-warmest summer, with hotter summers reported only in 2003 and 2005. Italy recorded a strong heatwave in July, with maximum temperatures above 40°C, and some local temperatures reaching 45°C. A heatwave at the beginning of July affected the United Kingdom, France, Belgium and Germany, and some stations in Norway experienced new maximum temperature records.

India had an extreme heatwave event during May, which caused 150 deaths. A heatwave hit northern China during June, with daily maximum temperatures above 40°C; historical maximum temperature records were broken for the summer in some locations.

In late July many cities across Canada recorded their warmest daily temperatures. Vancouver and Victoria set new records, reaching 34.4°C and 35.0°C, respectively. Alaska also had the second-warmest July on record. Conversely, October was a very cold month across large parts of the United States. For the nation as a whole, it was the third-coolest October on record, with an average temperature anomaly of -2.2°C (-4.0°F). Similarly, a very cold October was reported in Scandinavia, with mean temperature anomalies ranging from -2°C to -4°C.

The austral autumn (March to May) was extremely warm in Argentina, Uruguay, Paraguay and southern Brazil. With daily temperatures ranging from 30°C to 40°C, several records were broken during this season. By the end of October, an extreme weather situation affected north and central Argentina, producing unusually high temperatures (above 40°C). Conversely, November was abnormally cold in the southern part of the region, with some rare and late snowfalls.

So far, Australia has had the third-warmest year on record. The year 2009 was marked by three exceptional heatwaves, which affected south-eastern Australia in January/February and November, and subtropical eastern Australia in August. The January/February heatwave was associated with disastrous bushfires that caused more than 173 fatalities. Victoria recorded its highest temperature with 48.8°C. The northern region experienced a cold summer, however, with anomalies reaching -3°C to -4°C in some places. Winter was exceptionally mild over much of Australia. Maximum temperatures were well above normal across the entire continent, reaching 6°C to 7°C above normal in some parts. The national maximum temperature anomaly of +3.2°C was the largest ever recorded for any month.

The entire report can be viewed at:

http://www.wmo.int/pages/mediacentre/press.../pr_869_en.html

[Moon The Loon]

I'm not sure what either of you is trying to prove with this and similar articles. Global atmospheric temperature change is not gleaned from 10 years' of observations, or 100 years of observations but many THOUSANDS of years of observations.

And those stats have actually shown a gradual decrease in atmospheric warming (an increase in cooling). Which is being completely muddled by the phrase Global Warming.

The GoreSuzu's of the world have been very, VERY quiet lately.

That strikes me as odd.

[Guest woxof]

Dec 09

http://business.rediff.com/slide-show/2009...the-hottest.htm

Hitting hard at global warming sceptics, powerful United States lawmakers have accused them of 'engaging in a policy of distraction' by promoting hacked e-mails which claimed that scientists had exaggerated the crisis and asserted that the world is getting hotter faster.

Meanwhile, the British Met Office has predicted that the year 2010 is likely to be the world's warmest on record.

According to the met office, man-made climate change will be a factor and natural weather patterns would contribute less to 2010's temperature than they did in 1998, the current warmest year in the 160-year record.

Woxof.....I guess we will just have to wait and see. Looks like the prediction came out in the runup to CPH. Oh and by the way, the 1998 warmest year thing was proven wrong. Warmest was in the '30s

[boestar]

I still see no concrete proof or evidence that this is Man Made. WE are concentrating on CO2 as the culprint when water vapour has a much larger influence on the greenhouse effect. Problem is there is not a thing we can do about water vapour so there is no money to be made.

For every report in favour of global warming there is one that refutes it.

I am of the OPINION that just as I inhale and exhale so the planet warms and cools, mind you each breath of the planet takes thousands of years.

Mother nature is one powerful B!@#$ and I do not think we would win a fight with her.

[DEFCON]

"The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists."

Is this an example of yet another prediction that we can rely upon from "some of the world's most eminent climate scientists"?

I think climate modeling is quite a bit like meteorology in general, a ‘black art’. If we’re unable to produce accurate and reliable local weather predictions for tomorrow, what faith should we then place in this form of global science fiction?

[Guest rattler]

"The bitter winter afflicting much of the Northern Hemisphere is only the start of a global trend towards cooler weather that is likely to last for 20 or 30 years, say some of the world’s most eminent climate scientists."

Is this an example of yet another prediction that we can rely upon from "some of the world's most eminent climate scientists"?

I think climate modeling is quite a bit like meteorology in general, a ‘black art’. If we’re unable to produce accurate and reliable local weather predictions for tomorrow, what faith should we then place in this form of global science fiction?

Probably as much as:

"We guarantee you the lowest price"

"We are always on time"

"The Cheque is in the mail"

[Moon The Loon]

Since everyone is on a short term kick, I'll stick my toe in for a moment:

CASE CLOSED!

Global_Warming.bmp

[Guest rattler]

Only in Quebec rule to cause major problems.

MONTREAL -- The Quebec government has thrown the auto industry into turmoil, blindsiding carmakers and dealers with new environmental regulations coming into force on Thursday that could severely curtail new-vehicle sales in the province and trigger a wave of cross-border shopping into Ontario and New Brunswick.

Industry officials estimate that 75% of the current slate of new car and truck models sold at Quebec dealerships do not conform to the government's new rules, which sets standards for the maximum amount of greenhouse-gas emissions that a carmaker is allowed to produce based on the average of its vehicle lineup.

The provincial government of Liberal Premier Jean Charest has said for more than a year that it intends to adopt California-style vehicle emissions standards. They have hinted that new tailpipe regulations being worked on by Canada's federal government in concert with the United States are not enough.

But industry representatives are against different rules for different jurisdictions. And they had not expected Quebec to act unilaterally without consulting them. They are now scrambling to secure meetings with senior Quebec civil servants to clarify the legislation, which takes effect Jan.14 after being announced during the Christmas holiday break.

"This caught everybody by surprise," said Richard Gauthier, president of the Canadian Automobile Dealers Association, who argues Quebec is out of step with the rest of North America. "We think that this really hasn't been thought through. There are going to be some serious problems here."

The regulations slap penalties equivalent to $5,000 per vehicle on large-volume auto manufacturers for every new car and truck they sell that doesn't meet the standard. The monitoring starts immediately with the current 2010 model year vehicles.

The carmakers are required to file annual reports on what vehicles they are selling in the province and how much green houses gases they emit. Fines for this current model year vehicles are payable in 2015. The rules kick in for lower-volume manufacturers – those that sell fewer than 12,000 vehicles per year in Quebec – as of the 2016 model year.

"It's all very puzzling," said Mark Nantais, president of the Canadian Vehicle Manufacturers' Association, the trade group representing General Motors Co., Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler Group LLC in Canada. "Some vehicle manufacturers may be out of compliance from the get-go."

Environment groups argue that tougher vehicle emissions standards are needed, calling the current Canadian rules "ancient." The carmakers have said any rule changes should be the same for all U.S. states and Canadian provinces because modifying vehicles for each jurisdiction would create vehicle development chaos and cost them billions.

"There's a high degree of concern about this among all automakers," said David Adams, president of the trade group representing Honda Motor Co. and other international-based car manufacturers in Canada. "[it was] basically two weeks to implement the thing and it's being applied on a retroactive basis."

A spokesperson for Quebec's environment ministry said there are no plans to modify the legislation.

It's still unclear what the effects of the new rules will be come Thursday. Automakers who believe they will face fines may stop shipping non-compliant models to retailers.

The province's 860 new car dealers, who buy the vehicles directly from the manufacturers, will likely continue selling them. But they may see business plummet if they don't have new inventory or if consumers decide to go shopping in neighbouring provinces for models they can't get in Quebec. Buyers could also simply decide to opt for a used car instead.

"Next to the consumer, the new car dealer in Quebec will bear the brunt of this legislation," said industry analyst Dennis DesRosiers. "Politically, this is a very stupid move."

Quebec is believed to be the only jurisdiction in North America that has passed its own vehicle emissions regulations. Manitoba and B.C. were also working on their own unique rules. California, which had asked for a waiver to pass a law cutting greenhouse gas emissions from new vehicles 30% from 2002 levels by 2016, now supports one U.S. standard.

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[boestar]

time to open a car dealership in Hawksbury....

[mrlupin]

time to open a car dealership in Hawksbury....

That won't work... The SAAQ already increases the amount of money you pay (yearly) for your license plates if you drive a vehicle with an engine bigger then 4.0 liters. They have the perfect mechanism to increase the costs associated with driving bigger, less efficient automobiles. It's just a mater of lowering the threshold at which you start paying extra tax from 4.0 liters to lower and a corresponding increasing in the cost for every 0.1 liters above the threshold.

Won't mater where you buy your car... If you make it around one rule, they will get you with the next one...

An extra tax on fuel would do the same (and would probably be more efficiently) but unfortunately, that is not politically palatable at the moment.

[zipped]

Only 6 years left - the Al Gore count down clock.

http://motls.blogspot.com/2004/10/al-gores...-countdown.html

[Hadji Ramjet]

Cosmic-ray-driven electron-induced reactions of halogenated molecules adsorbed on ice surfaces: Implications for atmospheric ozone depletion and global climate change

Qing-Bin Lu, Department of Physics and Astronomy and Departments of Biology and Chemistry, University of Waterloo, Waterloo, ON, N2L 3G1, Canada

...a new observation of the effects of CFCs and cosmic-ray-driven ozone depletion on global climate change is also presented and discussed.

The man-made cause of global warming is not CO2 and the international treaty that saved the planet is not the Kyoto Protocol. Rather, says Dr. Lu, the true cause of global warming has been CFCs.

[Canus Chinookus]

I was going to post that Hadji, but I lost the will.

[dagger]

Is it snowing at Whistler yet?

[FireFox]

Whistler will be fine...November was the snowiest on record.

Thank gawd for global warming or we would have had to truck it out.

[Hadji Ramjet]

Snowing in the alpine, rain in the valley, freezing level is about 1200m. North Shore ski hills are closed (told Apex is too, but too lazy to check). Cypress says it has stockpiled snow and can always make enough, but not if it doesn't get colder. To preserve snow for the Games, Cypress will stay closed until after they're over. Snowed earlier today but changed to rain and washed it all away, will likely rain through tomorrow morning.

Rain warnings, flood warnings and my tent is going to float away soon.

[FireFox]

Snowing in the alpine, rain in the valley, freezing level is about 1200m. North Shore ski hills are closed (told Apex is too, but too lazy to check). Cypress says it has stockpiled snow and can always make enough, but not if it doesn't get colder. To preserve snow for the Games, Cypress will stay closed until after they're over. Snowed earlier today but changed to rain and washed it all away, will likely rain through tomorrow morning.

Rain warnings, flood warnings and my tent is going to float away soon.

Yeah...kinda typical of the North Shore mountains. I was on Grouse's ski patrol many moons ago & it was the same then.

I've got two sons who are spending the winter over in Nelson (Whitewater) boarding & they say the snow's the best they've seen for the area. Mt. Washington on the Island is getting a dump as we speak.

[Guest woxof]

Is it snowing at Whistler yet?

Whistler - Blackcomb.

Tonight..Snow at times heavy.

Snowfall accumulation 20 to 30 cm.

Alpine temperature steady near minus 4.

Freezing level 900 metres.

Mountain top winds southeast 40 km/h rising to 60 gusting to 90.

Friday..Snow ending near noon then a mix of sun and cloud.

Snowfall accumulation near 15 cm.

Alpine temperature falling to minus 6.

Freezing level 1000 metres lowering to near valley bottom in the evening.

Mountaintop winds southeast 60 gusting to 90 km/h easing to southwest 20 km/h late in the morning.

Extended forecast for Whistler - Blackcomb.

Saturday.. A chance of flurries.

Freezing level 1000 metres.

Sunday.. Snow.

Snowfall accumulation 10 to 15 cm.

Freezing level 1000 metres.

Monday..Periods of snow.

Snowfall accumulation 5 to 10 cm.

And in Europe(Scotland)...

Too much snow closes ski centre

The ski resort has enjoyed a bumper season so far

The CairnGorm Mountain ski centre in the Highlands will be closed for the day - because of too much snow.

After a two-day blizzard, the operators have had to bring in huge caterpillar vehicles and snow blowers to try to clear the approach road and the slopes.

Colin Matthew, operations manager at the centre near Aviemore, said roads were blocked by 15ft snow drifts.

He said parts of the funicular railway track up the mountain and the ski-tows had been covered by snow.

Mr Matthew said: "It has blocked our access roads with about 15ft of snow and further up the mountain the drifting has buried our funicular railway track in about 10 places, and the tunnel mouth, and some of our ski-tow towers are just sticking out of the snow."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/scotlan...nds/8460442.stm

[deicer]

One must realise though, it doesn't snow when it's cold. The heaviest snowfalls occur when the temps are moderately cold just below zero.

Iceman