jump seat Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 http://www.redflagdeals.com/forums/showthread.php?t=398854 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 The media will work AC into the story somehow Iceman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 The media will work AC into the story somehow Iceman Maybe that's an old AC DC-9-30? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check Pilot Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 Now that's just a real shame. There is just something heartwarming about seeing those old Diesel 9's that's really gonna be missed when they all finally get retired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Bad enough that it happened, worse when it's not even your ground handling company involved! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 The media will work AC into the story somehow Iceman This aircraft 9989 does have a large tie to Air Canada Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rattler Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Don't care much about the aircraft but I sure hope the driver was not at the controls of the loader when it hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Don't care much about the aircraft but I sure hope the driver was not at the controls of the loader when it hit. Most likely the loader was a runaway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Most likely the loader was a runaway. In which case the driver is fine, but likely to get fired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaEH Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 A runaway belt loader wouldn't cause that sort of damage... unless the driver bailed last minute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 There is not a lot of damage. There is some skin damage to the aircraft but not likely any stringers broken. The belt was down and the handrail stowed. It is mostly wedged underneath. Someone likely walked away leaving the engine running and the handbrake off. The transmission slipped into gear. It happens with those simple stick automatics. That is why engines are supposed to be off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 That reminds me of an incident that occurred in Europe when a belt loader was being used to load one of our aircraft. A bag fell off the loader and landed on the driver's station, knocking the transmission into reverse. The poor guy who was at the bottom loading the bags got trapped underneath the loader as it rolled backwards. It dragged him about 50 ft before someone got it out of gear. Thankfully he came away with just a few scrapes, no broken bones, and a new respect for the guard rails and placing chocks under the wheels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check Pilot Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Robert - you know the tie for 9989 to AC. Do you know the former Canadian registration mark if that's the case? I could probably do a lot of time researching it but maybe you have a quicker answer. I still like those old 9ers' and have been keeping a bit of tabs on some of the old AC 9's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Was it one of the Eastern clunkers ACTS refurbished for NWA? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Robert - you know the tie for 9989 to AC. Do you know the former Canadian registration mark if that's the case? I could probably do a lot of time researching it but maybe you have a quicker answer. I still like those old 9ers' and have been keeping a bit of tabs on some of the old AC 9's. It was an old EAL DC 9. When NWA bought them, they were flown to YUL for a "D" check, they were so bad and corroded that we dubbed them "R" check, R standing for resurrection. I remember this one in particular for some large power pack trouble for the rudder. It is a shame to see the belly damage, as we reskinned all of the bellies on those birds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Check Pilot Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Thanks Robert. From your remarks - that was never a Diesel 9er from AC then? Could you tell the serial number from the NWA aircraft number? I'd appreciate it if you could. (I know a DC-9 junkie). Please forgive my addiction. Please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super 80 Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 It was N8945E, Line Number 267 It is pretty easy to figure out the geneology of the NWA fleet because they don't change the N numbers on second hand planes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 It was an old EAL DC 9. When NWA bought them, they were flown to YUL for a "D" check, they were so bad and corroded that we dubbed them "R" check, R standing for resurrection. And no one really knows how many millions of $$$ Air Canada lost on THAT little fiasco... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted January 31, 2007 Share Posted January 31, 2007 There is not a lot of damage. There is some skin damage to the aircraft but not likely any stringers broken. My sources on the T3 ramp tell me that the aircraft is in fact a write-off. Too much frame damage to be worth fixing a 30 yr old machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 My sources on the T3 ramp tell me that the aircraft is in fact a write-off. Too much frame damage to be worth fixing a 30 yr old machine. Interesting. I havn't been to work in a few days, but my sources told me nothing, because nobody could figure out where the aircraft went! I couldn't find any "S" licenced guys that worked it. I'm sure NWA sent their own guys to evaluate the damage, but where's the airplane??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 It probably went to the north end someplace... little bird like that might even fit into one of those old wooden hangars (are they still there? like Millard's hangar?) It doesn't look that bad to me... even if a former or two got munched... and certainly there'd be some stringers to splice... but still... to write it off must be some creative financing going on, or maybe the rest of the airplane is really bad junk? ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Another source has confirmed that it's a write off, but I haven't found out where it is located. Apparently the belt loader was new to YYZ, having recently arrived from the southern US. This unit had only one hydraulic system for driving the belt, the brakes & the steering. It was very cold that morning & the hydraulic fluid that had flowed nicely in the heat of the southern US didn’t do so well here in the cold. The operator got it going okay, but he could not turn or stop, so he bailed out. The pictures tell the rest. NWA mechanics who came up to survey the situation were at first concerned that the aircraft would break in two getting pushed & towed to a hangar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Wow... that sounds like a brilliant design for a belt loader!!! ... too bad the fella that bailed didn't find the key/off switch on his way out.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rattler Posted February 1, 2007 Share Posted February 1, 2007 Wow... that sounds like a brilliant design for a belt loader!!! ... too bad the fella that bailed didn't find the key/off switch on his way out.... Based on the degree of penetration, I would bet the loader was moving at a fair rate of speed. Used to be that all were taught to check the brakes at a certain distance from the aircraft before proceeding to the aircraft, compliance was monitored but of course was not full proof. Watching the activity around aircraft in general from the departure level, I can not remember when I last saw a vehicle coming to a full stop before approaching an aircraft. In any event, very happy that the driver escaped. Aircraft can be replaced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2007 Share Posted February 10, 2007 Someone said that no stringers were damaged, well take a look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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