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There is 0% chance of WJ starting any wide body flying out of YUL.

The press releases or tweets by Canada Jetlines are starting to get absurd. This is something they're excited about? On top of thr 15 announcements of agreements with airports.... For an airline with no airplanes.

Rossen as COO? Yikes...

You could say... it was explosive.

I see what you did there.

What a hideous looking aircraft. Wow.

My understanding is there is no introductory pricing for business class which is not what WestJet normally does. Bookings are strong from what I've seen.

Is Jetlines going for some sort of most-press-releases-before-airline-launch record? I'm sure they've already got the most-CEO's-before-launch record locked up, too.

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Odd thing to say having not set foot on the aircraft. I'll reserve my judgement until I actually fly on it.

That's the plan.

The tail is growing on me. I don't like the WestJet font.

Malcom I seriously question whether you are horribly ignorant or brilliantly trolling this forum.

The comparison cannot be base fare to base fare - it's not how airlines price their service.

You're right WestJet has changed. Some people made suggestions and guesses - some were wrong, some were right. WestJet today/tomorrow isn't the WestJet of yesterday. Not sure what point you're trying to make? On the surface it's easy to suggest there are similarities of WS vs. AC circa 2002 or whatever and Flair vs. Swoop/WestJet. I say there isn't. Back then AC's costs were around 40% higher than WJ. Back then AC was losing billions of dollars a year. Back then AC launched Tango and Zip - really, just repainting some planes and not doing much else to lower costs (I stand to be corrected, I don't recall any initiatives that drove lower costs for either). Back then pricing was more or less all-in - none of the ancillary fees you see today. The environment today is very much stripped down. In the ULCC space - a space that hasn't been touched since Flair started operating - you pay for a seat and that's it. What's it worth? I don't know the answer. But everything else costs money - a drink, your bag, a boarding pass, a change fee, preferred seat, etc. Swoops costs are significantly lower than WJ's and in-line with Flairs. I watched back in 2004-2005 when Jetsgo decimated the Canadian industry. People criticized WJ for taking too long to react to the competition (Jetsgo). The launch of Flair and others (Jetlines? Whatever the Enerjet is attempting to launch as) forced WJ to react. WestJet couldn't compete with Flair - it's costs are too high (there's a similarity for you!). Launching Swoop was a competitive move to be competitive and open up a new market. I'll be the first person to admit I am wrong if Flair succeeds in its suit. I just don't see it happening.