dragon Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Whats up with the hockey, football and baseball guys.. can they not articulate 10 thoughts without 8 of them beginning with "Ya Know" or "I mean".. ? and, my real pet peeve.. who starts a freakin sentence with "and.."? and, Johnny, pass the potatoes.. and, Honey, whos yo daddy? and, man I'm sleepy and, whos on first and, apron and, ground and, tower, . . . I used to think it was a 'Rookie" thing - obviously it's not. Where do we learn this stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dockjock Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I agree. 100% THE most annoying habit in aviation is, "aaand, centre its blah blah blah." Quit it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innuendo Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 And then there is: UUUUHHH, Gander,Gander, it's uuuhhh, thee xyz's uuuuhhh, flight 123, uuuhhh, position etc, etc. Boiling in oil is too good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tango Niner Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Talking about professional athletes and their limited vocabularies: next time you see one interviewed, count the number of times he/she says "obviously" and "unbelievable". Obviously. Unbelievable. My personal pet peeves. "I mean, you know, obviously Giggy played unbelievable for us tonight..." T9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aBusDriver Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 In twenty some years of flying, I have never heard anyone say (aanndd) to begin a sentence. Where have you been flying?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MidLvl CP Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I like..."requesting 350, if available"... so does that mean, please don't give me 350 if it's not available, I only want it if it's available? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Wow !!! Really??? In 40 years of flying I think I have heard it almost everyday Perhaps when you have more time in ???:s Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CDB Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 In my long PPL flying career (115 hrs C172), I can assure you it's trained into us (me) from the beginning. And the only reason I have a habit of doing it, is because my instructor did it, and have heard many, many others do it as well. Maybe it's a YXU thing But I agree with everyone that it's incredibly annoying - and more importantly, if it's not pertinent, you shouldn't be using up airtime in saying it. As for athletes, you should probably look at the average level of education to see where their superior communication skills originate CDB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 What kind of bus you drivin.... airbus or school bus ?.. You may notice that you are in the minority on this one. Seriously though, next time out, as you begin your ramp check, listen out on the ground frequency. I bet you hear someone start in with 'and' before you pick up your clearance.. Just never understood that… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 Wow.. I was hoping nobody would say that, I suppose it was inevitable. Can you do us all a huge favour and call your ex instructor and advise that not only does no manual prescribe this telephony technique, the fact is, is that it is time consuming as you correctly note as well as awfully amateur ish.I have been over the pond hundreds of times.. I am trying to think if I have ever heard it in Europe - other than from a munjicake [sp] that is... Thanks for chimin in CDB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Request deviations Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 And it is now excepted practice. It is used in a fair amount of current literature and is also taught in schools as an excepted practice. I kid you not. I have had this conversation with a number of teachers in recent years. And it was also the subject of a CBC radio story not that long ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Aaaand that don't make it right. You can find "irregardless" in a dictionary too if you look in the wrong one. I've heard the "Aaaand" prefix to communications alot too... I wondered if it might have evolved from people using bad microphones that had sticky ptt switches... or maybe voice activated switches, with the "aaand" used just to begin the activation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 They teach it in schools??? Weird. I've heard it a lot coming from several different guys in Toronto STOC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 First I've EVER heard.. I am in shock.. can you put me onto some of that literature? Not saying it ain't so, just that my brain will not allow me to believe it so.. They teach it in schools? Any idea what schools? and on CBC? where, as part of something aviation related.. I only ask because like I said, just that my brain will not allow me to believe it so.. cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dockjock Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 CDB, now that you are aware of it, and realize that it is wrong it is up to you to break your own cycle. When you've got your commercial and start to instruct, DON'T PASS THIS AWFUL HABIT ALONG TO YOUR STUDENTS! Hopefully it will go away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leftbase Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 "munjicake" [sp] Hmm..not familiar with this one?! Ethnic or regional? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CDB Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I haven't flown in a little while and don't plan on instructing - but if I did I would certainly make it a point not to pass on that horrible habit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest leftbase Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I think it may be for a related reason, but not a ptt..I think it's just a mental laziness, it allows you that extra split second to think about what you're going to say, even while you're hitting the button. I know I've been guilty of saying the callsign even while I'm still trying to remember the flight number. Usually I can remember the number in time so there's no gap in the tx, but some days... And I KNOW I'm not alone, many times I've heard "Centre, it's Air Canada............................5468, etc, etc.". (Not picking on AC, could be anyone.) So saying the big "ANnnnnndd...." gives a chance to compose the thought, while you think about what it is you want to say. ("Hmm...am I talking to Cleveland or Boston now?" Just my theory. And I agree it's sloppy, better to give that thought a second before pushing the button! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 ha, I don't know.. my Italiano friends call me a munjicake.. something about the pasta and the sauce.. you know? oh, baby calls, gotta go.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAS Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I think you have hit the nail on the head. Time to think while tying up the frequency. It seems to be more prevalent with ATC types. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nozzle Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I like the one...." ready in sequence ". As opposed to ready OUT of sequence? (h) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Touchdown Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Ready in sequence just means that we're ready but realize that we may not be the first aircraft in the line to go. I tend to use this as a courtesy when I arrive at the runway with multiple aircraft at various entry points all waiting. It just let's tower know we are ready but not "expecting" to go next so as not to make the other aircraft think that we're arrogant (although if you work for AC you get that tag whther you deserve it or not). Perhaps the other aircraft are waiting for slot times.....or such. Who knows... Touchdown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted October 15, 2003 Author Share Posted October 15, 2003 LB I too think you hit the nail on the head, and as much as I try guard against it, that includes me on occasion. have a nice day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Nozzle Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 Don't you think that the tower knows your order. How do YOU know what the sequence is? Just announcing that you're "on tower and ready" should be plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest YVR Posted October 15, 2003 Share Posted October 15, 2003 I agree with Touchdown - when someone tells me he is ready in sequence I know that he knows that there are other aircraft waiting ahead of him and it sounds more polite. On the other hand - I expect you to be ready when you get to the end and don't really need a call at all - just listen out - and when you hear your ident followed by either "taxi to position" or "cleared for takeoff", move on out smartly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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