Kip Powick Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Too bad we didn't have some gutsy judges like that here...by the way. The mastermind of the Toronto 18 was found guilty of initiating his cell into action to bomb downtown YZ. His sentence?? Life in Prison...eligible for parole in 6 years Following passed to me by another retired driver Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried to light it? Did you know his trial is over? Did you know he was sentenced? Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV or Radio? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court. Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say. His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his 'allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah,' defiantly stating, 'I think I will not apologize for my actions,' and told the court 'I am at war with your country.' Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below: January 30, 2003, United States vs. Reid. Judge Young: 'Mr. Richard C. Reid, hearken now to the sentence the Court imposes upon you. On counts 1, 5 and 6 the Court sentences you to life in prison in the custody of the United States Attorney General. On counts 2, 3, 4and 7, the Court sentences you to 20 years in prison on each count, the sentence on each count to run consecutively. (That's 80 years.) On count 8 the Court sentences you to the mandatory 30 years again, to be served consecutively to the 80 years just imposed. The Court imposes upon you for each of the eight counts a fine of $250,000 that's an aggregate fine of $2 million. The Court accepts the government's recommendation with respect to restitution and orders restitution in the amount of $298.17 to Andre Bousquet and $5,784 to American Airlines. The Court imposes upon you an $800 special assessment. The Court imposes upon you five years supervised release simply because the law requires it. But the life sentences are real life sentences so I need go no further. This is the sentence that is provided for by our statutes. It is a fair and just sentence. It is a righteous sentence. Now, let me explain this to you. We are not afraid of you or any of your terrorist co-conspirators, Mr. Reid. We are Americans. We have been through the fire before. There is too much war talk here and I say that to everyone with the utmost respect. Here in this court, we deal with individuals as individuals and care for individuals as individuals. As human beings, we reach out for justice. You are not an enemy combatant. You are a terrorist. You are not a soldier in any war. You are a terrorist. To give you that reference, to call you a soldier, gives you far too much stature. Whether the officers of government do it or your attorney does it, or if you think you are a soldier, you are not----- you are a terrorist. And we do not negotiate with terrorists. We do not meet with terrorists. We do not sign documents with terrorists. We hunt them down one by one and bring them to justice. So war talk is way out of line in this court. You are a big fellow. But you are not that big. You're no warrior. I've known warriors. You are a terrorist. A species of criminal that is guilty of multiple attempted murders. In a very real sense, State Trooper Santiago had it right when you first were taken off that plane and into custody and you wondered where the press and the TV crews were, and he said: 'You're no big deal.' You are no big deal. What your able counsel and what the equally able United States attorneys have grappled with and what I have as honestly as I know how tried to grapple with, is why you did something so horrific. What was it that led you here to this courtroom today? I have listened respectfully to what you have to say. And I ask you to search your heart and ask yourself what sort of unfathomable hate led you to do what you are guilty and admit you are guilty of doing? And, I have an answer for you. It may not satisfy you, but as I search this entire record, it comes as close to understanding as I know. It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom, so that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. It is for freedom's sake that your lawyers are striving so vigorously on your behalf, have filed appeals, will go on in their representation of you before other judges. We Americans are all about freedom. Because we all know that the way we treat you, Mr. Reid, is the measure of our own liberties. Make no mistake though. It is yet true that we will bear any burden; pay any price, to preserve our freedoms. Look around this courtroom. Mark it well. The world is not going to long remember what you or I say here. The day after tomorrow, it will be forgotten, but this, however, will long endure. Here in this courtroom and courtrooms all across America , the American people will gather to see that justice, individual justice, justice, not war, individual justice is in fact being done. The very President of the United States through his officers will have to come into courtrooms and lay out evidence on which specific matters can be judged and juries of citizens will gather to sit and judge that evidence democratically, to mold and shape and refine our sense of justice. See that flag, Mr. Reid? That's the flag of the United States of America . That flag will fly there long after this is all forgotten. That flag stands for freedom. And it always will. Mr. Custody Officer. Stand him down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex 9A Guy Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I will be a cold day in H-E-L-L when he sees daylight as a free man again. As it should be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest woxof Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Meabwhile in Canada.....Just remember which party plans to get rid of double time for time served before trial. One of 'Toronto 18' pleads guilty, set free 'Deadly Plans'; After credit for time served, only one day in jail A member of the "Toronto 18" terrorist group who once spoke of "taking over this country" is a free man today after entering a surprise guilty plea in Brampton Superior Court yesterday morning. Originally slated to face trial in March, Amin Durrani, 23, received a sentence shortly after admitting his role in a notorious terrorist faction that spoke of storming Parliament and beheading the Prime Minister. "There were deadly plans discussed," Justice Bruce Durno said in handing down a 7½-year sentence that, with slightly more than double credit given for time served, left Durrani only one day in prison at the Maplehurst correctional facility. The maximum sentence for participation in a terrorist group would have been 10 years. "He was not at the top or the leader [but] he was not one of the least involved," Judge Durno said. Durrani will be subject to strict probationary conditions for three years, along with a lifetime weapons ban and an order to provide a DNA sample to be kept on file. He is also prohibited from leaving Ontario without the court's written consent and from communicating with any members of the Toronto 18 group. Addressing the court, Durrani apologized for his role in the terrorist plot, saying he had "big dreams" for his potential future career as an engineer. "I completely and fully realize what mistakes I have made and it's almost as if I feel stupid that I made those mistakes, but what's done is done," a clean-shaven and bespectacled Durrani told the judge. He said he was looking forward to starting up a "new life," adding his descent into extremism was spurred by "curiosity." Durrani was part of a breakaway faction of the Toronto 18 that talked of storming Parliament and murdering the Prime Minister in protest of Canada's mission in Afghanistan. He admitted to participating in two terrorist training camps -- acting as the "flag-carrier" during marches in Washago in December 2005 -- and helping the group search for a safe house in Opasatika, Ont., where they wanted to stash weapons. "Durrani at one point was put in charge of the younger participants" at Washago, according to an agreed statement of facts. Crown attorney Sarah Shaikh said Durrani was also a "key player" in planning the Rockwood training camp near Guelph in May 2006, even transporting some recruits to and from the premises. Durrani was conscious of being under police surveillance on numerous occasions, but pressed forward with the plot regardless, the statement of facts says. He said it would be "easy" to build a detonator, such as the ones built by the other faction of the Toronto 18, which planned to blow up the Toronto Stock Exchange, a downtown CSIS building and a military base. Durrani "spoke of dying and meeting God in Heaven," said Crown attorney Clyde Bond, noting the young man was a "close associate" of one of the terrorist plot's alleged leaders. In one intercepted conversation with a co-accused, Durrani said: "We're thinking of taking over this country." In another, Durrani asks a co-accused "what happens" at Parliament. "We go and kill everybody," is the response. "And then what?" Durrani presses on. The discussion moves on to how the group will "take" former prime minister Paul Martin, before they determine it is "the other guy," Stephen Harper, in office at the time. Defence lawyer Manuel Azevedo disputed the Crown's contention that Durrani held a "supervisory" role at the terrorist training camp, and before sentencing he noted his client no longer holds extremist views. Before leaving court yesterday, Durrani smiled and shook his lawyer's hand Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon The Loon Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 WOXOF: How many times have you been asked to provide either a link or the source WITH EACH POST? You put this forum at risk by not crediting your words with a source. Mr. Admin: Please inform this guy formally of his responsibilities when posting someone else's published words on your forum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Before leaving court yesterday, Durrani smiled and shook his lawyer's hand Yeah, I'll bet he did... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest woxof Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 WOXOF: How many times have you been asked to provide either a link or the source WITH EACH POST? You put this forum at risk by not crediting your words with a source. Mr. Admin: Please inform this guy formally of his responsibilities when posting someone else's published words on your forum. Hmmm...more like you showing your bias(including previous insults) as Kip has no link or source, yet I get all the wrath. I think the message made it through. In all honesty though...I did happen to forget, but the Loon can do a link search for me. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Meabwhile in Canada..... And he spelled "meanwhile" wrong! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Hmmm...more like you showing your bias(including previous insults) as Kip has no link or source, yet I get all the wrath. Actually, he did attribute it to the source. Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest woxof Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 Actually, he did attribute it to the source. Actually he didn't. The sentencing part is after this part... "Remember the guy who got on a plane with a bomb built into his shoe and tried to light it? Did you know his trial is over? Did you know he was sentenced? Did you see/hear any of the judge's comments on TV or Radio Ruling by Judge William Young, US District Court. Prior to sentencing, the Judge asked the defendant if he had anything to say. His response: After admitting his guilt to the court for the record, Reid also admitted his 'allegiance to Osama bin Laden, to Islam, and to the religion of Allah,' defiantly stating, 'I think I will not apologize for my actions,' and told the court 'I am at war with your country.' Judge Young then delivered the statement quoted below:" The exact wording of the article which quotes the judge's ruling can be found at this website.... http://www.internationalwallofprayer.org/A...ard-C-Reid.html and my article can be found at this link.... http://www.nationalpost.com/news/canada/st...html?id=2465898 All minor stuff. In the end...Kip made a good point and so did I. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CD Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 I think the difference is that one doesn't appear to include a notice of copyright while the other states: © 2009 National Post Inc. All rights reserved. Unauthorized distribution, transmission or republication strictly prohibited. Some forum owners have advised members to not post the text of news articles, only the first sentence and a link to the story. Others have indicated that it is acceptable to quote and link to the original source. I generally try to consider the potential unwanted attention that might befall forum owners and attribute the source through a direct quote and associated link to the source. Those are my thoughts, anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted January 22, 2010 Share Posted January 22, 2010 It seems to me you hate the one thing that to us is most precious. You hate our freedom. Our individual freedom. Our individual freedom to live as we choose, to come and go as we choose, to believe or not believe as we individually choose. Here, in this society, the very wind carries freedom. It carries it everywhere from sea to shining sea. It is because we prize individual freedom so much that you are here in this beautiful courtroom, so that everyone can see, truly see, that justice is administered fairly, individually, and discretely. While I agree whole heartedly with the sentence, this judge, like most residents of the USA has it wrong. The muslims of the world that truly despise the USA could care less about "their freedoms". The meddling or more importantly the perceived meddling is what makes them foam at the mouth. The USA has been meddling in other countries internal affairs for generations and it hasn't gone unnoticed in most places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted January 22, 2010 Author Share Posted January 22, 2010 ((Dedicated to the fanatical fringe of any religion..)) I take a more simplistic approach......If you have "nothing" you can have religion at basically no cost. The direction that religion takes one is the bone of contention..... and the predominant religion in ones area can be bent to despise those that seem to have more than you will ever have whether it be "stuff or just "freedoms". Thus the bent religious fanatics embark on crusades, in the name of their religion, and those that do not see their way/religion are the targets for their wrath. There comes a point in most peoples life where the religion they have been "taught" is the ONLY religion they believe in --all others are non existent..in their minds, and can mold their outlook on every aspect of their life Those that do not see the molded individuals way of life and values are subject to persecution.....however......the freedom to practice whatever religion one subscribes to is a "freedom" that western society embraces and understands. On the other hand there are others who will resort to whatever means at their disposal to rid the world of the non-believers of their religion. Naturally "they" can not rid the whole world of all the non-believers but they can strike fear in the hearts and minds of the non-believers by striking at icons we hold dear...the freedom to move about via all modes of transport, to conduct our business, as well as ground based icons necessary to maintain our way of life and our freedoms.... Freedom, within the bounds of human decency, is what so many of our young persons died for in WW1 and WW2. Those two wars are the greatest examples known to mankind of how dearly we hold our freedoms..........freedom, in it's many forms ..................... is everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lakelad Posted January 25, 2010 Share Posted January 25, 2010 Tamil-Canadians get 25 years in U.S. terror trial Monday, January 25, 2010 - CBC News Two Tamil-Canadians who were caught by the FBI trying to buy anti-aircraft missiles and other weapons for the Tamil Tigers three years ago have been sentenced to 25 years in prison with no chance of parole. Toronto residents Suhil Sabaratnam and Thiruthanikan (Thani) Thanigasalam were sentenced in New York City on Monday. Both pleaded guilty to conspiracy and material support for terrorism. The sentences were lighter than what prosecutors had sought. Prosecutors had argued that in addition to the current charges, the men's plan to buy the weapons constituted an act of domestic terrorism. Instead, the judge in the case underscored that neither man had a prior criminal record and said both had acted as "gentlemen" since their incarceration in the U.S. 'the men drove from Toronto to Long Island, N.Y., to meet "Vinny," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted January 27, 2010 Author Share Posted January 27, 2010 ............ The rural resident has racked up 36 related convictions, and each new charge highlights the difficulty of keeping such incorrigible offenders off the road.......... Full article here; In Nova Scotia....another joke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted January 27, 2010 Share Posted January 27, 2010 Reminds me of a guy I knew in the Forces, long ago... he was stopped and charged for impaired driving on his way to a 9:00 am court date for... impaired driving! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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