blues deville Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Are there new arrival routes for traffic coming from YUL and YOW? I am seeing jet traffic flying well south of their normal arrival route into YYZ. Also, does Porter have some kind of YTZ arrival that includes flying over the Oshawa NDB? I don't mind the sights and sounds but my neighbors are asking what is going on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobcaygeon Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Yes about 3 months ago the entire yul-yow to yqg corridor was redesigned. I don't know about porter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AAS Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 There was a redesign of the YQG-YYZ-YUL airspace that was put into effect mid February. And yes there are some more southerly routes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moon The Loon Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=navcanada%20aic&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CFcQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.navcanada.ca%2FContentDefinitionFiles%2FPublications%2FAeronauticalInfoProducts%2FAIP%2FCurrent%2FPDF%2FEN%2Fpart_5_aic%2F5aic_eng.pdf&ei=bn26T_3GBZHeggffuenCCg&usg=AFQjCNEzZqL1GULjWrWzQTnNKY7K5LXkEwThis is a .pdf download site of current NavCan AIC's. 1/12 & 3/12 apply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryon Mask Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 The redesign was part of a joint effort between Nav Canada,FAA, and industry including the National Airlines Council of Canada. Air Canada through retired Captain Brian Harkness and Westjet's Captain David Deere carried out many hours in the simulator flying the redesigned routes measuring fuel and time costs with the goal of producing more efficient descent profiles with less flat spots. The enroute portion realigned some of the existing airways and created a number of new waypoints designed to make transitions to the airway structure more efficient. There were some changes made to the Toronto Island arrival and departure routes but I wasn't involved in that part of the project so i'm not exactly sure what they changed.That is basically the Cole's notes version but it was a huge undertaking and although it is nowhere near the original plan, Nav Canada invested a lot of time, resources and money to carry out this project. They held regular meetings with the players to discuss issues, concerns and timelines. From what I saw they did a good job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st27 Posted May 22, 2012 Share Posted May 22, 2012 From a users point of view, 80% of the arrivals into yyz, seem to be a waste of energy, either having to keep the speed up [which compromises the arrival] or having to slow down [which means using speedbrakes] to satisfy ATC requmt's.Least of which, is because of waypoint realignment, jets can no longer use rwy 28 for departure in yul, which means longer taxi time/fuel burn, which, imo, negates the whole excercise in the first place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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