J.O. Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Don't those crazy birds need oxygen? From the FAA's preliminary incident reports for Nov 3rd... IDENTIFICATION Regis#: UPS28 Make/Model: B757 Description: B-757 Date: 11/03/2005 Time: 2325 Event Type: Incident Highest Injury: None Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Unknown LOCATION City: COLORADO SPRINGS State: CO Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT, UPS28, A B757, ENROUTE FROM SDF TO MHR, STRUCK A GOOSE AT FL360. ACFT DESCENDED TO FL280, DUE TO THE WINDSHIELD BEING CRACKED AND CONTINUED ON TO DESTINATION. PILOT DID NOT DECLARE AN EMERGENCY. FAA Report Scroll down to the third report. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Morn'n J.O. Link does not take one to the report Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted November 6, 2005 Author Share Posted November 6, 2005 You're right, Kip. Wrong day! The link is now fixed. Jeff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
handyman Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Hmmmm, wonder if the crack was on the F/O side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccairspace Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Don't those crazy birds need oxygen? Ask a question... ...and after googling and reading about avian flight physiology I sit in awe of those high flying creatures. How High Birds Fly BirdNote™ How High Birds Fly, Part II Written by Frances Wood Right now a flock of Bar-headed Geese could be flying over Mt. Everest. These champions of high-altitude migration leave their nesting grounds in Tibet and scale the Himalayan range on their way to wintering grounds in the lowlands of India. With the help of tailwinds, they can cover the thousand-mile trip in a single day. How do these gray-bodied, five-pound geese with zebra-striped heads breathe at such high altitudes, since pilots and many mountain climbers need oxygen at half that altitude? Like other birds, the geese have a unique breathing structure adapted to extract oxygen from thin air, even at 30,000 feet. After inhaled air passes through the lungs, it is temporarily stored in several sacs, then circulated back through the lungs extracting still more oxygen. The Bar-headed Geese also have a special type of hemoglobin, which helps their bodies absorb oxygen quickly at high altitudes. Scientists are studying the physiology of these high-flying Bar-headed Geese to look for ways to help people cope with altitude and respiratory diseases. ______________________ The following link is fascinating reading if you scroll down a bit, especially to Mechanics of Wing Design. Bird Flight I would guess that the answer to your question is that humans are very inefficient oxygenators at altitude and I would hazard a guess that if geese could ask similar questions one might be, "Don't those crazy humans need oxygen?" ccairspace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rattler Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Some interesting web sites re what is or can be done about birds around airports. Transport Canada Bird Site Hawkeye Canada Site - Bird control firm ICAO Site talking about bird control The reality of course, is that little can be done about migratory birds (flight paths) but some work can be done to reduce the risk directly around airports. One of the problems is where we have traditionaly built our aiports. CYVR is a good / bad example of an airport that will never be "bird safe" due to it's location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicoChico Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 was that a crack or a quack in the windsheild?? Oh A honk! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted November 6, 2005 Share Posted November 6, 2005 Some interesting web sites re what is or can be done about birds around airports. Transport Canada Bird Site Hawkeye Canada Site - Bird control firm ICAO Site talking about bird control The reality of course, is that little can be done about migratory birds (flight paths) but some work can be done to reduce the risk directly around airports. One of the problems is where we have traditionaly built our aiports. CYVR is a good / bad example of an airport that will never be "bird safe" due to it's location. Well, if the really bad bird flu reaches us, there are going to be geese falling out of the sky. That's one way to deal with the current goose over-population. Either that, or some chef figures out a way to make the Canada goose delectable and cooks it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specs Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 I don't recall the details of the specific incident under discussion but during a meeting several yrs ago, reviewing recent aircraft incidents with engineering folk, an incident came up for discussion in which we sustained signifcant damage because of a known bird hazard (nesting nearby the runway). Being new and dumb and .... I asked the question - "If this was a known hazard then why wasn't there some kind of ATC advisory" Without missing a beat one of the guys responded with - "Why? What good would dat do? De birds - dey don't wear headsets" I don't speak up in meetings so much anymore. (Even though I'm secretly certain that a golf course or 2 or 3 and driving range on every airfield would go a long way to solving the nesting problem) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 Snakes! Lot's of 'em! .... You might wind up squishing a few on the runways/taxiways, but they'd take care of the bird nesting problems wouldn't they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted November 8, 2005 Share Posted November 8, 2005 (Even though I'm secretly certain that a golf course or 2 or 3 and driving range on every airfield would go a long way to solving the nesting problem) Absolutely! We had a nice golf course beside the runway at CFB Baden-Sollingen. With CF-104's blasting off, it was a very noisy round of golf! Didn't see many birds, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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