Malcolm Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Navy surveillance plane flying in rainy weather overshot a runway Monday at a military base in Hawaii and splashed into Kaneohe Bay, but all nine aboard were uninjured, authorities said. The Coast Guard responded, but rescue operations were quickly called off, said Petty Officer Ryan Fisher, a Coast Guard spokesperson. "It sounds like all parties involved were rescued," he said. Marine Corps spokesperson Gunnery Sgt. Orlando Perez had no information about what caused the P-8A Poseidon aircraft to go off the runway at s. A photo taken by witness Diane Dircks showed the plane in water just offshore, a sight reminiscent of the 2009 "Miracle on the Hudson" when a passenger jet piloted by Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger made an emergency landing on the New York river. All 155 people aboard survived. This photo provided by Diane Dircks shows a U.S. Navy plane that overshot a Marine base on Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii, Monday, Nov. 20, 2023. An official says all nine people aboard the plane have escaped injury. DIANE DIRCKS / AP The P-8A and the Airbus A320 that Sullenberger piloted are roughly the same size. Dircks and her family had just returned to the dock after rainy weather cut their pontoon boat trip short when her daughter noticed the plane in the water. "We went running over to the end of the dock, and I took some pictures," she said. Dircks, who is visiting from Illinois, said her daughter keeps a pair of binoculars on her for birdwatching, so she was able to see the plane and the rescue boats arriving. "It was unbelievable," she said. The Honolulu Fire Department received a 911 call for a downed aircraft shortly after 2 p.m., spokesperson Malcolm K. Medrano said in an email. It was cloudy and rainy at the time. Visibility was about 1 mile, said Thomas Vaughan, a National Weather Service meteorologist in Honolulu. The P-8A is often used to hunt for submarines and for reconnaissance and intelligence gathering. It is manufactured by Boeing and shares many parts with the 737 commercial jet. The plane belongs to the Skinny Dragons of Patrol Squadron 4 stationed at Whidbey Island in Washington state. Patrol squadrons were once based at Kaneohe Bay, but now deploy to Hawaii on a rotational basis. Marine Corps Base Hawaii is about 10 miles from Honolulu on Oahu. The base houses about 9,300 military personnel and 5,100 family members. It's one of several key military installations on Oahu. Aircraft expert Peter Forman told Hawaii News Now the runway at the base is shorter, and bad weather and winds may also have played a part. "The pilot probably didn't put the plane down exactly where he wanted to on the runway," Forman said. "It's probably a combination of all those factors put together." The base sits on Kaneohe Bay, which is home to coral reefs, a breeding ground for hammerhead sharks and a University of Hawaii marine biology research institute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 21, 2023 Author Share Posted November 21, 2023 better picture: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falken Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Will the Americans try to make this Captain a hero also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 Well, close to winter so maybe a few Canadian Geese decided Hawaii this year, what with all the turmoil in the southern states. Probably not familiar with the flight patterns around the marine base. Be another interesting investigation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Yet another later generation 737 overunning a wet runway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 25, 2023 Author Share Posted November 25, 2023 another picture Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted November 25, 2023 Share Posted November 25, 2023 Looks like the tail smacked the end runway as she rolled into the ocean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airband Posted December 2, 2023 Share Posted December 2, 2023 P-8A.mp4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 3, 2023 Author Share Posted December 3, 2023 The Navy released a $1.5 million plan to remove a surveillance plane that overshot a runway at a military base in Hawaii and splashed into Kaneohe Bay, which is home to coral reefs, a breeding ground for hammerhead sharks and a University of Hawaii marine biology research institute. The salvage operation is estimated to be in that price range, a Navy spokesperson confirmed to CBS News, and "about $200,000 has been spent as of Dec. 1." The Navy spokesperson said they will have "more accurate figures after the salvage operation is complete but are focused on safely recovering the aircraft, protecting the environment, and doing it in a way the retains the aircraft's combat capability." The U.S. Navy plans to use inflatable cylinders to lift and roll a jet plane off a coral reef in Hawaii before removal from the ocean waters where the aircraft crashed on Nov. 20. Rear Adm. Kevin Lenox, the commander of Carrier Strike Group 3 who is leading the salvage effort, said Friday he is confident the operation can be carried out without further damaging the reef. The P-8A slammed into an environmentally sensitive bay about 10 miles from Honolulu when it overshot the runway at Marine Corps Base Hawaii. None of the nine people on board at the time were injured. The Navy is investigating the mishap. The Navy released underwater video on Wednesday showing landing gear wheels resting on parts of crushed coral and much of the rest of the plane floating above the reef in Kaneohe Bay. A Navy team already has removed nearly all of the estimated 2,000 gallons of fuel that was on the aircraft. Lenox said he expected the removal operation to get underway on Saturday. He didn't want to commit to a date when the work would be done given the weather and other conditions that could affect the timeline. Contractors began sliding the bags under the plane on Friday. When inflated, the bags will float across the water toward the runway. When they reach land, machines will pull and roll them onto and across the runway. Experts prepare for salvage operation of U.S. Navy surveillance plane stuck on Hawaiian coral reef. / Credit: U.S. Navy© Provided by CBS News Lenox said it's possible one of the bags may touch a small band of coral but that is not guaranteed. The force of the plane will be distributed across the entire area of the bags, so there will only be 3 to 5 pounds (1.3 to 2.3 kilograms) of pressure on any given point where they touch the ground, he said, noting that was significantly less than a person standing on the ground. "We have high confidence that we will be able to execute this whole thing with no further impact to the ecosystem here," Lenox said. Hawaii state officials are due to examine the reef for damage once the plane is removed. Kaneohe Bay is home to coral reefs and a range of marine life, from sharks to octopus and fish. The area hosts an ancient Hawaiian fishpond being restored by community groups. Contractors performed a similar feat when they removed a barge weighing 1,000 tons from sensitive seagrass habitat in the Outer Banks of North Carolina after Hurricane Florence in 2015. The plane, about 60 tons is much lighter than the barge, Lenox said. The Navy considered floating the jet within range of a crane on the runway and then lifting the plane onto land. But Lenox said the inflatable cylinder option was the safer method, was expected to have little to no effect on the coral and would not impact the aircraft. The airplane is in good condition and the Navy hopes to get it flying again, Lenox said. The Navy uses the P-8A, the military's version of a 737 jet, to search for submarines and conduct surveillance and reconnaissance. The Boeing-made plane is assigned to Patrol Squadron 4 stationed at Whidbey Island in Washington state. A separate crew from Whidbey Island has deployed to Hawaii to take over the squadron's patrol missions near Hawaii. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 Newly released video shows the environmental threat after AUS Navy Play Video CBS News New video shows crashed Navy spy plane resting on coral reef in Hawaii Unmute 0 View on Watch Alarge U.S. Navy plane has been recovered from the environmentally sensitive bay in Hawaii that it crashed into two weeks ago after overshooting a nearby runway, officials said over the weekend. The aircraft — a P-8A Poseidon used for surveillance, reconnaissance and intelligence gathering — ended a flight in bad weather by missing the landing strip at Marine Corps Base Hawaii on Nov. 20 and instead splashing into Kaneohe Bay along the northeastern coast of the island of Oahu. None of the nine people on board were injured in the mishap, although the bungled landing quickly sparked concerns over the potential consequences to marine life in the bay, which is home to sprawling coral reefs and a hammerhead shark breeding ground, as well as a marine biology research institute for the University of Hawaii. The Navy said in a news release Sunday that the plane was removed a day earlier by a team of military and civilian experts after "meticulous planning." A diving and salvage unit with the Navy worked alongside specialists to pull the aircraft from the bay and return it to the runway. A multidisciplinary team of military and civilian salvage experts extract a U.S. Navy P-8A Poseidon from waters just off the runway at Marine Corps Air Station Kaneohe Bay, Marine Corps Base Hawaii, Dec. 2, 2023. / Credit: U.S. Marine Corps Photo by Lance Cpl. Tania Guerrero© Provided by CBS News The operation began at 6:30 a.m. local time Saturday and lasted more than 12 hours. The aircraft was first floated to a position adjacent to the runway before being lifted, piece by piece, up and out of the water. The last portion of the plane to be raised from Kaneohe Bay was the nose wheel, and that happened at around 7 p.m. on Saturday, according to the Navy. "Our team went through a detailed planning process to develop the best course of action to get the P-8 out of the bay as quickly and as safely as possible," said Rear Adm. Kevin Lenox, the operation's on-scene commander, in a statement. "The entire process took 13 hours. Most of the day was spent making small adjustments to the roller bags and the aircraft position to minimize impact to the coral band adjacent to shore. At times it took us an hour to move the aircraft five feet." Military officials had not previously given any definitive timetable for the plane's recovery or removal from the water, even as alarming video footage surfaced showing its tires resting on coral along the sea floor in at least two different places. Lenox said at a news conference in late November an estimated 2,000 gallons of fuel was on board the aircraft when it crashed into the bay, but the Navy announced about a week after the crash that almost all of the fuel had been removed. A Navy P-8A plane that overshot a runway at Marine Corps Base Hawaii and landed in shallow water offshore sits on a reef and sand in Kaneohe Bay, Hawaii, on Monday, Nov. 27, 2023. / Credit: Audrey McAvoy/AP© Provided by CBS News "The team extracted all the fuel that they could get out of those tanks. This process was completed successfully without any fuel being released into the bay," Lenox said. He said removing the fuel lowered risks for the rest of the salvage operation, the Associated Press reported at the time. The salvage operation for the P8A-Poseidon was estimated to cost about $1.5 million, according to a plan released by the Navy. A Navy spokesperson told CBS News that about $200,000 was spent as of Dec. 1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 (edited) Interesting, I initially thought that the nose section had broke off from the first released photos. I see that isn't the case. They will probably repair this but it will take many months. Edited December 4, 2023 by Maverick Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 4, 2023 Author Share Posted December 4, 2023 15 minutes ago, Maverick said: Interesting, I initially thought that the nose section had broke off from the first released photos. I see that isn't the case. They will probably repair this but it will take many months. Re the nose,I thought so also but it guess because the picture showed part of the containment boom draped over the aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specs Posted December 4, 2023 Share Posted December 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Maverick said: They will probably repair this Seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 5, 2023 Author Share Posted December 5, 2023 1 hour ago, Specs said: Seriously? Following the extraction from the water, the aircraft will be cleaned and then inspected to assess the conditions of the airframe and internal sensors. Based on the results of the inspections, it will be decided whether the P-8 will be savaged to return to an airworthy status or will be scrapped and cannibalize Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 I can't imagine the damage by the salt walter to the airframe and wiring. I wouldn't be surprised if they parted it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Posted December 5, 2023 Share Posted December 5, 2023 4 hours ago, JL said: I can't imagine the damage by the salt walter to the airframe and wiring. I wouldn't be surprised if they parted it out. Well, there is a history of fixing them... https://simpleflying.com/japan-airlines-flight-2-dc-8-water-landing/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted December 6, 2023 Author Share Posted December 6, 2023 3 hours ago, Maverick said: Well, there is a history of fixing them... https://simpleflying.com/japan-airlines-flight-2-dc-8-water-landing/ Since everyone survived, we at YVR made posters advertising JAL harbour scenic tours, they were not impressed (lack of face). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JL Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 I suppose anything is fixable...how many DHC2s have been built around just the data plate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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