mo32a Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 The boat should never have been there, it is a designated landing/departure area, boat 80% at fault, tower 20% at fault for non awareness. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 14 hours ago, mo32a said: The boat should never have been there, it is a designated landing/departure area, boat 80% at fault, tower 20% at fault for non awareness. I've looked at several online marine and harbour maps and can't find any area marked on them. If anyone has a source they could link or screenshot it would help. Also, can't find anything that shows the actual location of the crash and track of the boat or aircraft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 I found this info here. https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2019-05-Web-Friendly-File-Safe-Boating-Guide-2019-Update.pdf Based on the images I am quite positive the aircraft was within the mapped area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 43 minutes ago, J.O. said: I found this info here. https://www.portvancouver.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/2019-05-Web-Friendly-File-Safe-Boating-Guide-2019-Update.pdf Based on the images I am quite positive the aircraft was within the mapped area. Interesting. Thanks. None of the official marine maps I can find show anything. It's unfortunate that the the area of your image labeled "Coal Harbour" includes several large marinas along with the refueling staion and therefore the aircraft operating area must see a huge amount of marine traffic. The point of the "aircraft area" at the bottom left is quite near the docks/terminal for seaplanes. So, to go around the seaplane area you must bring your boat closer to the docks - not quite intuitive although probably safer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airband Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Vancouver port open to recommendations from TSB after seaplane-boat collision 'Pilot cautioned about westbound boat approaching fight path prior to takeoff' Investigators say they will recover and examine in the next few days the wreckage seaplane that collided with a pleasure boat in Vancouver's harbour Tue Jun 11, 2024 - The Canadian Press by Chuck Chiang VANCOUVER — The Vancouver Fraser Port Authority says it is "certainly possible" that rules surrounding seaplanes operating in the city's downtown harbour could change in light of an aircraft colliding with a pleasure boat on takeoff over the weekend. Sean Baxter, the authority's acting director of marine operations, says they've been advising boats to steer clear of the aircraft operation zone in Coal Harbour for many years, but it's ultimately up to boat operators to "decide whether or not they go in." His comments come as an air traffic control recording reveals the pilot of the Harbour Air float plane was cautioned just before takeoff about a westbound boat coming into the flight path. While the audio has been removed by the Air Traffic Control website archive, several media outlets have obtained the recording of the controller saying, "takeoff northwest at your discretion," and the pilot acknowledges him. The crash happened Saturday in Coal Harbour, with videos posted online showing the seaplane skipping over top of the vessel, ripping off the boat's windshield and awning, and then slamming nose first into the water. Baxter says the aircraft operation zone in Coal Harbour has a number of rules in place, including a 5-knot speed limit for boats, but there are no physical signs warning boaters of the zone's boundaries beyond two lights marking its northern borders and a buoy in the southwest. The Transportation Safety Board says crews will recover and examine the wreckage of the sunken plane in the next few days, and investigators have already begun interviewing witnesses. Pacific Seaplanes president Randy Hanna, who has spent his four-decade career logging 20,000 flying hours primarily flying seaplanes, says the crash is shocking because of the sterling safety record in Vancouver harbour despite it being among the most complex marine traffic environments in the world. "It's one of the best-run marine and aviation environments quite possibly in the world, with really a minimum of incidents over many, many years," Hanna says. "And that's attributable to both Transport Canada and the Canadian Coast Guard, and Nav Canada on top of that operating the control tower." Unlike Victoria's waterfront, where a runway zone is clearly outlined, landing and takeoff paths in Vancouver's Coal Harbour are more loosely defined within the aircraft zone, and vessels are free to enter and exit as they see fit, Hanna says. "Many, many times I've been advised that there's a couple of high speed vessels, perhaps a Sea-Doo or something at high speed, crossing this area to that area," Hanna says of his experience taking off from Coal Harbour. "I've sat myself there for five or 10 minutes waiting to go because (the water) was just too rough or too crazy, or too many boats or whatever the factors are. And then when it's safe to do so, you request clearance and on tower's advice, off you go." Hanna says landing and takeoffs at Coal Harbour are ultimately at the pilot's discretion, and communication and awareness are essential in maintaining a safe operational environment. Baxter says the aircraft operation zone is clearly shown in every navigational map available for the harbour, and the port authority is taking Saturday's collision as a chance to remind boaters of safe practices while operating on local waters. He says boaters are advised to listen for nearby aircraft and be prepared to move out of the way on short notice, while some planning ahead of the trip doesn't hurt, either. "You should be consulting official publications before you go on the water, including the nautical charts that clearly mark areas like the seaplane operations area," he says. "We tell people to watch out for large, deepsea vessels as well as seaplanes. Those are two examples of port users that have limited visibility … (and) they cannot move quickly, especially in confined waters like narrow channels. We tell people not to assume that they have the right of way when interacting with deepsea vessels as well as the planes." Baxter says additional changes to how the port authority approaches regulations at the Coal Harbour aircraft zone will depend on what the Transportation Safety Board recommends in its investigation. "Typically, the TSB will offer recommendations to any number of government agencies, and the port authority could be included in that," he says. "And if there are recommendations around how to enhance safety in an area like … Coal Harbour, we're certainly keen to listen to those and implement them as required." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 On 6/9/2024 at 11:31 PM, Airband said: CARs none of this mentions "in the act of taking off or landing" only while navigating on the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malcolm Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 Chief pilot Gerald Skocdopole with Canadian North flies the airline's new state-of-the-art Boeing 737NG full-flight simulator in Edmonton, on Wednesday July 17, 2024. THE CANADIAN PRESS/Jason Franson.© The Canadian Press EDMONTON — When Canadian North showed off its new Boeing 737NG flight simulator at Edmonton International Airport this week, it let a few dignitaries try a scenario where the jet flipped upside down and dove nose-first towards an Arctic lake. The simulator's cabin is mounted on hydraulic posts, so the nose actually pointed down and the scene outside the windows was so detailed that waves on the lake were visible. It was unnerving for the non-pilots, and it's meant to rattle experienced aviators, too. "It's to assess the pilot with the startle factor, to make sure that they can recover the airplane," said Gerald Skocdopole, the airline's chief 737 pilot. "We've all seen the stories on the news where the pilots hit severe turbulence and lose control of the airplane or (hit) wake turbulence. "That's the sort of stuff we train for." Later, Skocdopole and Richard de Aguayo, a Canadian North captain and a member of the airline's training department, flew a scenario where after taking off from Edmonton, the plane struck birds and an engine caught fire. While de Aguayo flew the plane, Skocdopole took to the radio. "Edmonton Centre, pan, pan, pan, pan. Emergency in progress. Stand by." Following that, they performed a landing in Iqaluit with blowing snow. Visibility was down to less than seven kilometres and the runway was slippery. Related video: New 737 simulator brings more realism to training (The Canadian Press) We started about 2022 on the project and this now Loaded: 18.91% Play Current Time 0:01 / Duration 1:09 Quality Settings Captions Fullscreen The Canadian Press New 737 simulator brings more realism to training Unmute 0 View on Watch "We often operate these aircraft to the max of their performance. We are landing on shorter runways than one would see in Toronto, Edmonton, Vancouver, Montreal. The weather, the facilities that the airports provide and how rapidly they can remove snow for us (is different)," de Aguayo said. The simulator was built by Canadian company CAE and is part of a new 9,000-square-metre training centre Canadian North is opening in Edmonton. It isn't the airline's first simulator for a 737. It had another from 2015, but it's for earlier models of the Boeing jet, And as the airline transitions to new, more efficient versions, pilots had to travel to other cities and use other airlines' equipment. It's not just new pilots who need training. Experienced ones need to regularly recertify on simulators. So the airline says it's more efficient to buy a new simulator than take flight crews off-line, sometimes for weeks, to enable them to travel for training. The training centre is in Edmonton because it's a hub for Canadian North's operations in the western Arctic, where for many communities, planes are a lifeline to the south. The new simulator's level of realism is stark compared with what was available a few decades ago when Skocdopole became a pilot. "You would just have a black screen with some little green light points on it, and that was it. And you could kind of make out a runway," he said. Both pilots agreed the more realistic the simulator, the better prepared a pilot will be. "You forget that you're in a simulator. With the motions, with the visuals, with the sounds and the tactile feel that we get are reproduced to such a manner that your heart does get beating," de Aguayo said. This report by The Canadian Press was first published July 18, 2024. Rob Drinkwater, The Canadian Press 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
J.O. Posted July 18 Share Posted July 18 (edited) Now if only the airplane was as "state of the art" as the simulator. Edited July 18 by J.O. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted July 19 Share Posted July 19 One point though, their present 737-800 may not match the capabilities of the new simulator but as long as their are compatible, then good. Taking about good, it is good for the industry that Canadian North is investing in the future 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Another Regional in trouble: Rex Airlines news: Flights between major airports cancelled as airline plunges into administration All domestic Boeing 737 aircrafts grounded Virgin Australia offers passengers free rebooking Rex struggled with profitability since Covid-19 READ MORE: Virgin Australia: Woman dies mid-flight on plane By Jack Gramenz For Australian Associated Press Published: 16:17 EDT, 30 July 2024 | Updated: 16:59 EDT, 30 July 2024View comments Rex Airlines has announced it has gone into voluntary administration and cancelled all flights between major airports. A statement posted on Rex's website late on Tuesday said Regional Express Holdings Limited and a number of its subsidiaries under the Rex Group have entered voluntary administration. Ernst & Young Australia have been appointed administrators. The statement said regional Saab 340 flights were unaffected and will continue to operate, but domestic 737 services have been halted with Virgin Australia offering affected Rex passengers free rebooking. 'Flights between major airports have been cancelled, with the Rex Group's domestic fleet of Boeing 737 aircraft all grounded,' the statement said. 'Affected customers are being contacted directly by Rex.' The statement said Rex and Virgin Australia were exploring opportunities to support regional customers, including Virgin selling Rex's regional services through codeshare or interline arrangements, and making Virgin frequent flyer benefits available to Rex's regional customers. Virgin Australia chief executive Jayne Hrdlicka said it was 'a difficult moment for Australian aviation'. +2 View gallery Rex Airlines has entered voluntary administration and suspended all flights between major airport 'Our team is now moving quickly to support Rex's customers and people,' she said in a statement after Rex's announcement. 'Impacted Rex customers will be supported with rebooking on an equivalent Virgin Australia service free of charge.' Virgin was also offering to support affected Rex employees who could apply for open positions via the airline's website, she added. Ms Hrdlicka said Virgin intended to partner with Rex's regional business to enable 'seamless access' to Virgin Australia's domestic and international destinations through potential codeshare or interline arrangements in the future. 'The team at Virgin Australia are thinking about everyone at Rex today, an airline with a proud and important role in Australian aviation, particularly for regional Australia,' she said. Read More Why flights could soon be cheaper for millions of Australians Rex employs about 2,000 people. It began servicing Sydney-to-Melbourne, one of the busiest routes in the world, in 2021. Regional Express's shares had gone into a trading halt on the Australian stock exchange following recent boardroom turbulence and multimillion dollar losses. An announcement had been expected by the opening of trade on Wednesday. The trading halt followed reports Rex called in consultancy firm Deloitte to review the airline's books. Earlier on Tuesday, the prime minister had questioned the carrier's expansion into major city routes. He said he would consider proposals to save Rex but the airline received substantial public funding with 'no conditions attached'. 'One of the things I expressed concern about was having no conditions so Rex, for example, moved away from their traditional role of being a regional airline into flights, for example, from Sydney to Melbourne,' Mr Albanese told reporters. Nationals senator Bridget McKenzie had said Rex launching flights, including a recent Melbourne-to-Perth route, inspired competition with major aviation players which often resulted in cheaper fares. 'Let's not continue to pretend that Qantas's behaviour is acceptable in the aviation industry,' Senator McKenzie said. 'Every time they are challenged they seek to monster those airlines like Rex ... who have sought to actually give Australians another way of travelling.' Unlike Bonza, which went into voluntary administration in April, Rex mainly owns rather than leases its planes. Its key fleet comprises 61 SAAB 340s and seven leased Boeing 737-800s, out of 123 aircraft. Many regional communities rely on the carrier, which emerged 22 years ago following the collapse of Ansett. In the central west NSW hub of Orange, Mayor Jason Hamling said he was grateful his community had multiple carriers including Qantaslink and Link Airways. Since COVID-19, Rex has struggled with profitability. In February, it reported a bottom line net loss of $3.2 million for the first half of the 2023/24 financial year. Rex shares last traded at 56.5 cents on Friday. They were at 79 cents a month ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted July 31 Share Posted July 31 Major budget airline makes huge changes to its seating and bag policy READ MORE: American Airlines backtracks on major change to earning air miles By Tilly Armstrong Assistant Consumer Editor For Dailymail.Com Published: 17:28 EDT, 30 July 2024 | Updated: 17:54 EDT, 30 July 2024 Spirit Airlines has announced a revamp of its fare options, in a major departure from its usual no-frills offerings. The ultra-low-cost airline said it would start selling an array of premium tickets which come with perks such as bigger seats, priority check-in, snacks and Wi-Fi. Spirit will also sell tickets which come with a checked bag included, wrapping in a key perk which it used to make customers pay extra for. The airline, which is known for its rock-bottom ticket prices but for charging travelers a host of add-on fees, will introduce the new fares starting in August. It comes as the struggling carrier aims to increase revenue amid pressure from larger rivals who are increasingly cashing in on premium offerings. Spirit Airlines has announced a set of new fare options, in a major departure from its usual no-frills offerings R The Florida-based airline will offer four categories of service, it announced Tuesday. It did not give details about the pricing breakdown of each fare, however. Customers will be able to book the new fares, which are called 'Go Big,' 'Go Comfy,' 'Go Savvy' and 'Go,' from August 16. The 'Go Big' option includes a so-called 'Big Front Seat', snacks and drinks, one carry-on bag, one checked bag among other perks. The Big Front Seat features enhanced comfort with wider seats, extra legroom, additional seat cushioning and no middle seat, the company said in a press release. s 92.3k viewing now This fare will be advertised like a traditional business class product, and is designed to compete with what the likes of higher-end carriers American Airlines, Delta Air Lines, and United Airlines offer. 'Go Comfy' offers a guaranteed blocked middle seat, a carry-on bag and checked bag and the 'Go Savvy' option includes the choice of either one carry-on bag or one checked bag and standard seat selection during booking. The 'Go' fare will offer one personal item onboard and allow customers to buy checked bags, seat selection, Wi-Fi, snacks and beverages. This fare will offer 'the greatest affordability for those who want to keep it simple', the airline said, remaining true to Spirit's economical model. The company said it aims to have all the new offerings on flights by August 27. 'We're unveiling a new era in Spirit's history and taking low-fare travel to new heights with enhanced options that are unlike anything we've offered before,' said Ted Christie, Spirit's President and Chief Executive Officer. 'We listened to our Guests and are excited to deliver what they want: choices for an elevated experience that are affordable and provide unparalleled value.' The airline already announced earlier this year that it was axing its fees to change or cancel a flight. Those charges previously ranged from $69 to $119, depending on how close to the flight the change was made. +3 View gallery The Florida-based airline will offer four new categories of service, it announced Tuesday +3 View gallery A 'big front seat' is one of the perks offered by the 'Go Big' fare option Read More Delta makes major change to domestic flights in a bid to boost profits As part of the changes, Spirit also announced it was changing its boarding process and introducing priority check-in for select customers at some airports starting next month. Spirit's new fares look more like something that you would find on a major network airline than one of the nation's big budget carriers. That is by design, Christie told The Points Guy. He said that these are the fare bundles travelers expect to purchase nowadays. 'We are reacting to what the market is telling us about what's important. Spirit is moving as quickly as possible to deliver those products to its people.' Spirit is not the only budget carrier which is making major changes. Southwest Airlines, which is also under pressure to boost revenue, announced earlier this year that it plans to offer 'premium' seats with more legroom, and Frontier Airlines also began offering blocked middle seats at the front of the plane for a higher price in March. Jungho Suh, a teaching assistant professor of management at the George Washington University School of Business, told the Washington Post Spirit's move makes strategic business sense but comes with risk. 'It’s risky by diluting their brand identity, which is budget-traveler-friendly,' he said. The airline is under pressure to boost revenue amid investor fears it could file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy following a failed merger with JetBlue earlier this year. Quote Size Drag files here to attach, or choose files... 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Malcolm Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 Rex Airlines saved for now as government hands over cash Story by Charlotte Karp For Daily Mail Australia • 9h • 2 min read Government extended a lifeline to failing airline Regional airline, Rex, was about $500million in debt The government has intervened to save regional airline Rex after it plunged into voluntary administration, with debts of about $500million. Transport Minister Catherine King announced government funding for the airline on Thursday afternoon to give certainty to regional travellers. 'Rex's continuation is in the best interests of Australia, and the government is working closely with the administrators to ensure a strong regional aviation presence now and into the future,' she said in a statement. The guarantee ensures that if any Rex Airlines bookings to or from a regional destination are canceled during the administration period, passengers will receive a full refund. It includes all regional flight booking after Rex entered voluntary administration at 9.31pm on July 30. E Along with financial support, Ms King said her department would continue working with the administrator, EY, on plans for the continuation of the airline. 'We also expect the administrator to honour and prioritise the entitlements of Rex employees,' she said. The Labor government has extended a lifeline to regional airline, Rex 'This guarantee is a message to regional Australia that we know how important reliable air services are to you and that we are not going to allow your communities to be left behind.' EY partner Sam Freeman said he was grateful to the government for extending a lifeline to the regional carrier. Related video: It could be months before Rex Airline workers receive their pay and entitlements (Dailymotion) 'The guarantee will help Rex to keep flying while we undertake the recapitalisation of the airline and secure its future,' he said. 'We're currently undertaking a process to find an investor committed to a sustainable commercial regional network.' Mr Freeman told creditors last week that Rex's debts amounted to about $500million owed to lessors, airports, refuellers, staff, and tens of thousands of airline customers. It was also unable to pay about 600 employees final wages and entitlements after they were fired. The airline has operated for 21 years and is responsible for flying five per cent of domestic passengers, with Qantas and Virgin claiming the remaining 95 per cent. Read more Rex Airlines saved for now as government hands over cash (msn.com) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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