Mitch Cronin Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 This is a video of a Fox News piece about a very interesting bit of technology: http://a.wimp.com/v/fuelwater.wmv Now here's an interesting, rather in-depth view on it: http://www.rexresearch.com/klein/klein1.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted May 20, 2006 Share Posted May 20, 2006 How long you give this guy to live. Oil companies are pretty powerful.... B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 Don't get too excited... debunked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Hudson Posted May 22, 2006 Share Posted May 22, 2006 HHO, HHO, HHO, HHO, HHO.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted May 22, 2006 Author Share Posted May 22, 2006 HHO, HHO, HHO, HHO, HHO.... Good Don... for another laugh - of a different variety, have a look at your PM's here... (there's a way to track to see if a person's picked up their PM's but I didn't use it, so I don't know) Thanks for that link Seeker... interesting.... and too bad... Cheers, M Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Maybe we shouldn't give up on it yet. There is a story about it on CNN now. This link just gets you to CNN and click on the story Machine turns water into gas, fuels car It would be great if it works. I hope it works on tap water as bottled water is more expensive than gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Greg: It's simply a machine to capture both the hydrogen and oxygen produced by electrolysis. The energy cost to do this is greater than the energy provided by burning the resultant gas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Hi Seeker The claim in this case is not that the idea is new but that they can can do it cheaply enough to make it cost effective. It is still on CNN web site, http://www.cnn.com/ but I don't know how much longer it will be there. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 Yes, I'm aware of the claim. Here are a couple of references: wikipedia: "The energy efficiency of water electrolysis varies widely. Some report 50–70%[1], while others report 80–94%.[2] These values only refer to the efficiency of converting electrical energy into hydrogen's chemical energy. The energy lost in generating the electricity is not included. For instance, when considering a power plant that converts the heat of nuclear reactions into hydrogen via electrolysis, the total efficiency is more like 25–40%.[3]" Also be sure to read the link "debunked" that I posted earlier in this thread. Electrolysis has been known for well over a hundred years so I think it's highly unlikely that some backyard inventor has stumbled across a process to make it produce more chemical energy than it consumes in electrical energy. The welding unit is another matter however as it appears to be able to produce a small and easily controlled flame which may suit some applications. Even though it is not very efficient this benefit may be worth the cost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDR Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 I think you're right, but I hope you're wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boestar Posted May 23, 2006 Share Posted May 23, 2006 I watched the story on the news and he stated this was a NEW way of carrying out electrolysis. I have my doubts but it would be cool. Until the oil companies have it killed. B Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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