Trader Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Heard a nice rumor today.....that WJ and Emirates are talking about a code share! Would allow EK to fly daily to Toronto and bypass AC's blocking. But, as I said, just a rumor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canus Chinookus Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 best rumor I've heard today! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CanadaEH Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 I think its a safe bet to assume that any airline flying to Canada that doesn't currently have a codeshare, alliance, or interline deal with Air Canada has talked, is talking, or will talk to Westjet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Would allow EK to fly daily to Toronto and bypass AC's blocking. It would be interesting to know how EK can operate daily just by getting a code-share. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rattler Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 The bilateral agreement can be viewed here: http://www.cta-otc.gc.ca/air-aerien/agreem..._emirate_e.html In part: For the purposes of Article XI (Capacity) the Government of the United Arab Emirates shall be entitled to allocate the following capacity among its designated airlines for the operation of own aircraft and code-sharing services: for direct own aircraft services, up to a maximum of four flights per week in each direction without restriction as to size of aircraft effective immediately, five flights per week effective June 1, 2001 and six flights per week effective June 1, 2003. Requests for seasonal increases in frequency shall be given sympathetic consideration consistent with paragraph 5 of Article XI. The operation of a frequency beyond three flights per week by any one designated airline shall be subject to the approval of the aeronautical authorities of both Contracting Parties. for code-sharing services on the flights of other airlines, neither Contracting Party nor its aeronautical authorities shall unilaterally impose any restrictions with respect to capacity, frequency, or type of aircraft offered by the designated airlines of the other Contracting Party. Their licence states: The licence to be issued pursuant to this Decision shall be subject, in addition to the conditions prescribed by the Air Transportation Regulations, SOR/88-58, as amended (hereinafter the ATR), to the requirements to hold a Canadian aviation document issued by the Minister of Transport, and to have prescribed liability insurance coverage as set out in section 7 of the ATR, and to the following terms and conditions to which the licence is made subject pursuant to subsection 71(1) of the CTA: 1. The Licensee is authorized to operate the route(s) set out in the Agreement. 2. The operation of the scheduled international service authorized herein shall be conducted subject to the provisions of the Agreement and to any applicable arrangements as may be agreed to between Canada and the United Arab Emirates. 3. Unless terminated at an earlier date in accordance with the CTA or the Agreement, this licence shall terminate at the termination or expiration of the Agreement, or upon the effective date of any amendment to the Agreement which shall have the effect of eliminating the rights herein authorized. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 1. 6 flights per week from UAE. Currently EK have 3 and EY have 3, so it is full 2. WS does not have traffic rights for UAE so therefore cannot even set up a code-share with anyone 3. AC has the traffic rights and codeshares with LH WS and EK can do nothing on UAE-CDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rattler Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 1. 6 flights per week from UAE. Currently EK have 3 and EY have 3, so it is full 2. WS does not have traffic rights for UAE so therefore cannot even set up a code-share with anyone 3. AC has the traffic rights and codeshares with LH WS and EK can do nothing on UAE-CDA They don't really need to do a codeshare, they could some unique Interline fares. But until Westjet becomes a participant in the IATA Clearing house, those type of deals typically cost more to settle (who owes who what). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 It would be interesting to know how EK can operate daily just by getting a code-share. Yep, unless WS is ready to fly to Dubai... partnership does not allow EK to increase its own-aircraft frequencies. It might put WS in its corner supporting more frequencies, but then the feds, notwithstanding their piety about Blue Skies, seem to have developed a dislike for EK. And I guess a Conservative government probably owes AC one for not making an A319 available for the Liberals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rattler Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 Yep, unless WS is ready to fly to Dubai... partnership does not allow EK to increase its own-aircraft frequencies. It might put WS in its corner supporting more frequencies, but then the feds, notwithstanding their piety about Blue Skies, seem to have developed a dislike for EK. And I guess a Conservative government probably owes AC one for not making an A319 available for the Liberals. and here I thought it was AC who owed the Liberals for all of their support during the years of battle with CP (Canadian Pacific Airlines, CPAir etc). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted October 12, 2008 Share Posted October 12, 2008 and here I thought it was AC who owed the Liberals for all of their support during the years of battle with CP (Canadian Pacific Airlines, CPAir etc). Let's see, in 1992, the feds wrote CAIL a cheque as part of helping steer through the AA deal, which was in fact an outrageous abuse of Canadian law. CAIL had effectively legal and economic control, and many critical jobs went to Dallas. The precedent was so egregious, the government basically lost the ability to enforce a strict 25% foreign ownership limit. Again in 1996, the feds were there with a cheque when Kevin Benson threatened to shut down the airline if he didn't get the concessions he wanted. And in 1999, the feds got AC to write the cheque to keep CAIL workers from ending up at UI line. The Liberals' jet is just the icing on the cake Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rattler Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Let's see. CP limited to one flight a day transcon, CP limited in Europe, CP only able to operate in Domestic Western Canada (had to trade eastern Canada routes for transcon), etc. etc. etc. The balance sheet was definitely in TCA's favor. But I guess it is a case of what have they done for AC lately? By the by, how about those Raptors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Let's see. CP limited to one flight a day transcon, CP limited in Europe, CP only able to operate in Domestic Western Canada (had to trade eastern Canada routes for transcon), etc. etc. etc. The balance sheet was definitely in TCA's favor. But I guess it is a case of what have they done for AC lately? By the by, how about those Raptors Quite happy about the Raptors. The starters pretty much manhandled Philly's starters today, which is all I care about in a pre-season game. Amazing new scoreboard at the Air Canada Centre. HD Video. My seats are dead centre, right in front of the screen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fido Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 And in 1999, the feds got AC to write the cheque to keep CAIL workers from ending up at UI line. At least AC got collateral in the form of NRT slots from that. But add the clincher to your list: Jean Carle on the CAIL board of directors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
better4me Posted October 13, 2008 Share Posted October 13, 2008 Jean Carle on the CAIL board of directors. Jean's "son" was a Liberal plant on the CAIL board. Surely you jest. The Liberals do not make patronage appointments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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