Seeker Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 On 11/5/2023 at 12:31 PM, Kip Powick said: Re The Boat Ashore. TOW BOAT USA is a very reputable firm and I even had a policy with them if something went wrong with my boat while I was in US waters. I find it hard to believe that the crews thought they would get that boat off the shore in that weather. That vessel running gear would be so buried in that sand and would be acting like two anchors, (twin egines), and considering the weight of the boat and pounding surf, and attempting to turn the boat broadside while in the sand would be a futile exercise. I guess they thought connecting the tow line to the bow would allow them to pivot the boat and drag it off the shore and of course the line snapped. Had they had a chain and had the power in the tow boat, the chain would have probably pulled the bow apart ...there was no way that boat, at that weight was going to move off the shore with a tow line connected to the bow, in that kind of weather. Will be a gigantic insurance claim and I bet all the running gear will have to be replaced. Obviously we don't know when and where they had complete engine failure but rule #1...... when you lose all steering control is to DROP THE ANCHOR... IDK as I have no experience with this sort of thing but the boat looked to relatively safe beached on a sandy shore, no? I could see if it was washed up against rocks and was grinding away on every wave that a rescue might be worth a shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Seeker said: IDK as I have no experience with this sort of thing but the boat looked to relatively safe beached on a sandy shore, no? I could see if it was washed up against rocks and was grinding away on every wave that a rescue might be worth a shot. It is unfortunate that there is no video of the actual removal of the vessel. Attempting to remove the boat in the condictions as depicted in the video was a futile venture. ,Yes the boat was quite safe on the beach but the constant pounding on the hull would be detrimental to all the, below waterline, running gear and I would assume the owner requested it be removed ASAP. The bottom of the hull would slowly be rubbed "raw" by the constant "sanding" on the fibre glass as well, so again, if it was possible, it should have been removed as soon as possible but the weather conditions were certainly unfavourable. As well I would assume that the tow company wanted to cover their butt by showing that they attempted to remove the boat but it was just too dangerous and their policy "out" is "Act of God" (weather totally untenable and risk to personnel too great). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 4 hours ago, Kip Powick said: It is unfortunate that there is no video of the actual removal of the vessel. Attempting to remove the boat in the condictions as depicted in the video was a futile venture. ,Yes the boat was quite safe on the beach but the constant pounding on the hull would be detrimental to all the, below waterline, running gear and I would assume the owner requested it be removed ASAP. The bottom of the hull would slowly be rubbed "raw" by the constant "sanding" on the fibre glass as well, so again, if it was possible, it should have been removed as soon as possible but the weather conditions were certainly unfavourable. As well I would assume that the tow company wanted to cover their butt by showing that they attempted to remove the boat but it was just too dangerous and their policy "out" is "Act of God" (weather totally untenable and risk to personnel too great). That's what I was thinking too - the tow company wanted to be able to show they made a serious effort to hold up their end of the contract. Talking about this brings to mind a couple of reading recommendations; The first is The Grey Seas Under by Farley Mowat. Non-fiction telling of the history of the steam powered rescue tug the Franklin Foundation which operated on the east coast in the 30s and 40s. Gripping stories of rescues and recoveries in fierce storm and weather conditions. Well worth hunting down at your library or online. The second is Caroline Alexander's book on Ernest Shackleton. I have bought and gifted probably a dozen of these and I read my copy once every year or so. There aren't enough adjectives in the book to describe the events. Of course there are many books about The Endurance and the Imperial Trans Antarctic Expedition but this particular book is large and has many hi-res glossy photos that really puts you in the story. Shackleton is widely acknowledged to have demonstrated some of the best leadership ever recorded in his handling of the crisis. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 1 hour ago, Seeker said: That's what I was thinking too - the tow company wanted to be able to show they made a serious effort to hold up their end of the contract. Talking about this brings to mind a couple of reading recommendations; The first is The Grey Seas Under by Farley Mowat. Non-fiction telling of the history of the steam powered rescue tug the Franklin Foundation which operated on the east coast in the 30s and 40s. Gripping stories of rescues and recoveries in fierce storm and weather conditions. Well worth hunting down at your library or online. The second is Caroline Alexander's book on Ernest Shackleton. I have bought and gifted probably a dozen of these and I read my copy once every year or so. There aren't enough adjectives in the book to describe the events. Of course there are many books about The Endurance and the Imperial Trans Antarctic Expedition but this particular book is large and has many hi-res glossy photos that really puts you in the story. Shackleton is widely acknowledged to have demonstrated some of the best leadership ever recorded in his handling of the crisis. Will pass on the desire for those books to my kids as a Christmas present to me .... . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted November 7, 2023 Share Posted November 7, 2023 54 minutes ago, Kip Powick said: Will pass on the desire for those books to my kids as a Christmas present to me .... . The Farley Mowat book is good but the Caroline Alexander book is excellent. I would say try the library first for the Mowat book. Here is the Amazon link for the Alexander book: Caroline Alexander A word of advice - take a good look at the cover since there all lots of similar titled books about the same events - easy to get confused. Another book you might be interested in is this one: The Wager: A Tale of Shipwreck, Mutiny and Murder I have not read it (yet, on my list) but it comes highly recommended to me and has 4.5 stars on Amazon with almost 16,000 reviews. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted November 9, 2023 Author Share Posted November 9, 2023 https://avgeekery.com/b-58-hustlers-sonic-booming-record-setting-machines/#google_vignette B-58 Hustlers Were Sonic Booming and Record Setting Machines Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Malcolm Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Some good reading /viewing if you need to overcome a distraction. HistoricWings.com :: A Magazine for Aviators, Pilots and Adventurers - A Magazine for Aviators, Adventurers and Pilots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted November 10, 2023 Author Share Posted November 10, 2023 Now this is a cool paint job! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 SEXYjet - Private Luxury Jet Available for Charter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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boestar Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 When we were riding through the midwest we saw tons of these guys doing fields. at one point we could see a dozen of them as we rode through. It sure looked like fun from that perspective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted November 11, 2023 Author Share Posted November 11, 2023 Not aviation, not environmentally correct, but, dayum!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted November 11, 2023 Author Share Posted November 11, 2023 Something else with 4 jet engines! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Seeker Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 A lot of people don't know that The National Film Board of Canada has digitized their entire collection and it's available for free streaming. Just use the easy search box Here is a 1949 film about how to build an igloo that I remember watching as a kid in elementary school. https://www.nfb.ca/film/how_to_build_an_igloo/ Test pilot and archival footage of DHC-2 and DHC-3; https://www.nfb.ca/film/test-pilot/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted November 11, 2023 Author Share Posted November 11, 2023 14 minutes ago, Seeker said: A lot of people don't know that The National Film Board of Canada has digitized their entire collection and it's available for free streaming. Just use the easy search box Here is a 1949 film about how to build an igloo that I remember watching as a kid in elementary school. https://www.nfb.ca/film/how_to_build_an_igloo/ Test pilot and archival footage of DHC-2 and DHC-3; https://www.nfb.ca/film/test-pilot/ Thanks for the info! Probably a lot better than most of the youtube and tiktok videos out there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 minute ago, deicer said: Probably a lot better than most of the youtube and tiktok videos out there You got that right! And it's ad-free. I like the old stuff so I found that simply putting a year in the search box will get films made in that year or about that year. Putting 1943 in the search gets lots of WW2 results like this one about the women's division of the RCAF: https://www.nfb.ca/film/wings_on_her_shoulder/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted November 11, 2023 Author Share Posted November 11, 2023 1 minute ago, Seeker said: You got that right! And it's ad-free. I like the old stuff so I found that simply putting a year in the search box will get films made in that year or about that year. Putting 1943 in the search gets lots of WW2 results like this one about the women's division of the RCAF: https://www.nfb.ca/film/wings_on_her_shoulder/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted November 11, 2023 Share Posted November 11, 2023 Some very interesting aircraft designs... 20 of the Weirdest Planes Ever to Take Flight (pilotmall.com) I wonder if any of our members flew one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Kip Powick Posted November 12, 2023 Share Posted November 12, 2023 Been on a few cruises...A ship this size doesn't interest me. Would be like cruising with over 8600 Torontonians on a barge.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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deicer Posted November 13, 2023 Author Share Posted November 13, 2023 13 hours ago, Malcolm said: Guess the historic aircraft cockpit (key.aero) 5/10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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