Guest BillyBigToe Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Hey sourpuss, I'm not in any way comparing myself to yourself. I do not have a lofty idea about how great I am. My comments were only WRT jobs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest floatrr Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Some of you guys just don't get it. No company, no collective agreement. You have to do what it takes to make the operation sustainable, or you'll be kicking rocks in the unemployment line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest directlaw Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 317 As you can see these guys are true vultures. Only prey on those who they think are weaker than they. You guys should be ashamed. Did you here him? He has been layed off. Have you asked how many kids he has? Is he making his mortgage? Is it affecting his marriage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest directlaw Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Prove that and I'm on your side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jazzplayer Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Well bozo, like the man said; "Everybody plans their career". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicoChico Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Thats it Jazzy gotta gong you for this trash - running right on the edge of getting erased by admin I thin? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicoChico Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Well Jazzy this post is right on the edge of forum rules. It is a low blow you sling with this and I suggest you delete it! Chico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JC Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Directlaw, There are laid off pilots from both groups that are suffering. Some laid off pilots at Jazz have been in the industry longer than some AC pilots but chose what they thought was best job at the time for themselves and their families..... and some have chosen to stay at the regionals for those reasons. Both groups are suffering and looking out for their best interests Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest directlaw Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 agreed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neo Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 I don't consider jazzplayer a troll at all. neo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rudder Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Prove that AC will achieve domestic unit costs of 10.2 cents per ASM (WJA) and the point is moot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 317 With all due respect, I think your view is very narrow and unfortunate for a couple reasons. First, people made, and continue to make decisions, based on the very best information available – at the time. The reasons people and families decide to do what they do is as varied as the people themselves. For you to group all regional pilots into a generic template is unfair at best. Second, and in my opinion most critical… Attitudes like the one you offer, from both camps, are exactly the reason we have arrived at the current ugly state we find ourselves in. Personally, I have left this issue behind me in disgust of the actions of both mine as well as the Jazz MEC. Too much greed and for that, we will all lose. FYI, I am OAC, '95 DOH. I espouse anything BUT BOTL. I am fully aware of the issues as well as the impact this would have on both myself and my family. I wonder how you will feel about things a few years from now and if a few numbers here and there, and nothing else, will still steer your personal agenda. I hope things work out for you.. Happy New Year dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCDU Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 The personal attacks on people such as the RJ Captain were over the line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicoChico Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 If the shot he takes was at you personally you might think different. While its not at me personally its at our brothers and that is enough. But politically I guess we disagree too.... Chico Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Skirt Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Jazzplayer, I think you crossed the line pal! The RJ Capt in question has only been charged. Wait until a conviction comes down before you stone someone. Second, the Vernon boys might have made a mistake, but they didn't land there... Has any Jazz pilot ever done that? Mont Joli comes to mind! (a friend of mine BTW). He who lives in a Glass house... As for embarassing jokes, I'll agree that we have a few mavericks out there posting on this forum, but Jazz certainly have there fair share of idiots as well who tend to see things with a rather "Closed" mind... Bad form! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jazzplayer Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Agreed, deleted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest directlaw Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 My point has been missed. I have no doubt that Jazz can operate cheaper than the mainline. But if that is a good enough reason to gut ACPA's collective agreement, then every collective agreement in this country is in jeopardy. Arbitrator Teplitsky will be asking the same questions. I believe Air Canada is positioned well to make good money coming out of CCRA. I think the future is bright and so do a lot of other people. Otherwise there wouldn't be any investors. 1.1 billion in labor savings. Almost no long term debt other than aircraft leases. Air Canada and Jazz will have to come up with a very compelling argument to convince a labor arbitrator to gut a valid collective agreement. Do you really believe that just because Air Canada wants to make more is going to cut it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neo Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 You claimed jazzplayer was a troll. Based on the things I've read, he's not. Saying something that does not conform to Forum rules does not make you a troll. A troll's only reason for being here is to disrupt the forum and anger people. You have a tendency to label people whose opinions you don't like as trolls. Much like the way I've seen you try to marginalize others whose opinions you don't like. Personally, I found his comments very cutting indeed, but not outside of what's acceptable. But that's not my call to make; only our hosts have that right. neo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neo Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Personally, I'd say right up to the line but not over it. But that's neither my call nor yours. Our hosts get to determine what's suitable comment, not us. I offer an opposing opinion to your own because I deeply appreciate both the freedom to speak my mind on this forum and for others to do the same. I don't agree with those who condemn a post for partisan reasons, which I feel is what motivated you. neo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jazzplayer Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Neo, Maybe you were an arbitrator in another life? Just for fun: How would you handle the current aircraft allocation dispute? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shibui Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Hard to believe an ACPA cardholder could make a post like that. Pure gravitas. "posse etiam sub malis principibus magnos viros esse" - Tacitus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 "Now that I am finally at AC and am on furlough status, I WILL NOT SEE ONE JAZZ EMPLOYEE get anything but BOTL if it comes to it." What kind of BS threat is this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shibui Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Precision in all things. That might have been Suetonius. Stand by while the family library is ransacked by forelock-tuggong minions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest shibui Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 It's Tacitus after all, but not from the "Annals" as you might expect but from "Agricola". Time for a re-read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest QTIP Posted January 25, 2004 Share Posted January 25, 2004 Actually I don't think we want any portion of your list TOP OR BOTTOM just a portion of the RJ'S and my guess is that the latter will happen in the not too distant future. I believe ALPA has extended the olive branch out quite a few times in the past and after the arbitration I wouldn't expect it again. As for planning my career you're right!! 100% right. Now, if an arbitrator gives JAZZ some or all of the new jets would you consider BOTL at Jazz or would you expect to be able to use your seniority to access a job at Jazz to get back to work or spend the rest of your career on furlough status? Just Wondering??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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