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MCDU last won the day on November 13 2013

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  1. So, again- to my knowledge- AEF turns 25 years right about now. (That's the first time I signed on here, anyway- fall of '96.) Happy Anniversary, everyone!
  2. Kip, Jim took it over from Pam. It was operating at least as early as the fall of '96.
  3. Hi guys, I've been away for a while. I was reminiscing about this place and the many heated... err, interesting discussions in which I've participated over the years. I'm happy to see that many of you are still here and that you appear to be doing well. I remember joining back in the Pam days- in... '96? I'm not sure of the exact date this forum was started but it must be coming up on a 25 year anniversary. Anyway, hello, glad to see the place is still alive and vibrant.
  4. Too bad they had to rip up a perfectly good running trail to make way for a runway they don't really need.
  5. (I've been away from the forum for a while and can't see why the quote function doesn't appear to be working for me...) Anyway, CPFA, you say "sometimes things seem suspicious for a reason." Suspicious to who, based upon what? Everybody looks suspicious when their name is in the paper or their mugshot up on a website. Unless you're a trained investigator, party to all the facts and skilled in conducting interviews- I'd say that's not a reasonable viewpoint. I'm sure that I seemed suspicious to some people in my example above, but I was completely innocent. To reiterate: had my name hit the newspapers during that investigation- I can pretty much guarantee that my airline would have taken a pass when considering me for employment until the matter was resolved. Hiring stopped for 5 years shortly after I arrived. Those false accusations would have at the very least cost me 5 years of pensionable time. I wouldn't have married my wife or had my children, my life would have taken a completely different course and probably not for the better. Would that have been fair so that my accuser wouldn't have been "equally devastated"?
  6. I couldn't let this pass by... I am a father of 3, my youngest- my daughter, is not quite a teen. I have 3 nieces aged 16 to 21. I volunteer at the local public school, I like to think that I am an upstanding member of my community. I say all that to show that I could take one side of this argument rather easily (and blindly). Almost 25 years ago and out of the blue, I started receiving telephone messages from a detective in a city where I used to live. The detective and I played telephone tag for weeks before I finally made contact. I had been accused of sexual assault by a woman I had dated briefly (and platonically) a few years before. Her accusations were very specific- she was sure that it was me and she provided a strong and convincing story. Luckily for me and unbeknownst to my accuser- I'd moved 500 miles away not long after our dates. At the time of her incident I hadn't physically been in her city for 2 years and could prove my whereabouts on the night of the alleged assault. (I was flying!) It ended with the detective admitting to me that the woman seemed to have "some major issues". I can just imagine what might have happened had my name been published in the newspapers at the exact time I was trying to get hired by a major airline. Would I be here today? I have no idea whether my accuser actually suffered a real assault that night or not, and if she did I feel sorry for her but she could have ruined my life with her careless accusations. Back to my daughter and her cousins... They're good kids, but I caught my daughter in a medium-sized lie this morning. If they needed to cover their tracks in an embarrassing situation- would they make a false accusation against a stranger? Against someone they didn't quite care for or maybe even against someone for whom they felt a need for revenge? I'd like to think not, but after fifty-some years on the planet I've seen some of the less-pleasant attributes of human nature. The innocent until proven guilty assumption needs to be followed. Religiously. The stink of an accusation stays with the accused even after he's been proven innocent and can easily ruin lives. And, judging someone by what you read in the media is idiotic. How often do you hear spun, one-sided stories about your airline when you know from personal experience that what has been reported is extremely unlikely or not even possible? Everyone deserves a fair trial and the newspapers with their need to sell lurid and sensational stories sure won't be providing balanced coverage.
  7. I did some line indoc with Dork years ago and had known him informally for years before that. I can also vouch that he's a good guy, although, yes- he has clearly enjoyed stirring the pot in this thread.
  8. There are two problems with your point. The first is my "heating the house" allegory. We've already been paring our contract and pay down for a decade- scope, sick pay, bidding freezes, etc.. Status pay has fallout in its implementation that would take me a long time to explain here. Suffice to say- it would reduce the quality of a line pilot's life and for very little pay-back. Again, I ask- once we've given up this aspect of our WAWCON, what's next? There is a finite amount of furniture and an infinite requirement for heat. The bigger problem, tho, is that this airline's management has shown again and again that not only does it not share- it also can't be trusted. For example- there was one year when the trigger for our SAUs was an operating margin of 5%. What did we post that year? 4.99...
  9. Well, one of us -either my writing or your reading- needs to work on his skills, because the intent was not there. As for opinions, you''ve certainly never had a shortage, have you Kip?
  10. Technically you are correct- there was a small uplift in exchange for group pay. However, the savings to the company were far greater, especially once the grandfathered pilots retired and movement due to attrition kicked in. But then here we are burning the furniture to heat the house. Those are the working conditions that make being tied to a single employer bearable, that provide some semblance of a normal home life to a line pilot. We trade off equipment bidding rights this round, what's left to give the next time? Monthly block bidding? I'm sure the company would love to just assign schedules to us, too. What kind of raise would that get me? 1.5%?
  11. Did I say that you shouldn't be permitted to voice an opinion? Did I even infer that you shouldn't be permitted to voice an opinion? And what does my post have to do with the "ACPA" forum?
  12. Wow. First thing in the morning, waiting for the kids to get up, caffeine hasn't clicked in yet, several metaphors are springing to mind: kicking over hornets nests, greener lawns, grinding axes, lobsters pulling escapees back into the pot... The better/harder argument is a mugg's game. Brightest and the best? Sounds like someone's carrying past baggage. Formula pay was like the proverbial big deal- a slice of the pie. The bigger the pie, the bigger the slice. It achieved pay rates that would otherwise have been impossible to negotiate. It was a brilliant concept. It is not unlike methods used to negotiate executive salaries. Does the president of GM have a harder job than the president of a Waterloo tech start-up? Not really a relevant argument, is it? It is a perq. The company wants to take it away. But, heck- it's business. They'd like to take away our pension and pay us nothing, too. The question becomes: why are fellow aviators so eager to see us lose this perq? Yes, other systems could be hammered into place- with great pain and suffering and thereby creating huge lossess and huge gains for different pilots on the list. And, more importantly- transferring wealth once again from the pilot group back to the company. Haven't we given enough over the past decade? If we give any more, is anyone going to want to make the signifcant investment to earn a license to do this job in the future? (My kids won't. This job is no longer worth the effort, IMO.) Let it go guys- you don't have a dog in this fight.
  13. Defcon, I think we both replied to GTFA simultaneously. And, to both of you- I see that you're trying to find a way to save training costs. I'm not disputing that such a system would be more efficient for the airline but this is a case where one's side of the fence matters. Pilots working for free would make the company more efficient, too. Are we trying to achieve benefits for the company or for the employee? AC's formula pay system is just another employee benefit- it allows a pilot to pursue what he considers important- money, lifestyle or a balance of both. If he doesn't care about working holidays or being on reserve then he can chase the biggest pay packet his seniority can hold. If he wants summer vacation- it's going to cost him financially to achieve it. In many ways this is more fair than a status system because it always gives a pilot choice. If one's personal circumstances change- then that pilot can change seats on the next equipment bid. Under the current system- if he bids onto an airplane but subsequently discovers that he doesn't like the route or other working conditions- he has the ability to go somewhere else. Ask the A330 pilots how they'd feel about being locked into their current structure. Flexibility is a perq. Sure, a Jazz style sytem could be made to work, but it would be a net loss for the AC group. Then there's the redistribution of five levels of pay, not just the two you had at Jazz . How do you justify taking from the B777 pilots and giving to the EMJ? To grandfather a transition so that no current pilot suffered a loss would take a quarter century.
  14. Sorry, I think you've missed my point. I've agreed with you that merit pay is entirely subjective. But what you think I'm worth and what I think I'm worth isn't relevant. To change AC's pay system now would create big winners and big losers amongst the pilot group and transfer even more wealth from the pilot group to the airline. Formula pay, bidding rights and the associated costs of training are a perq for all line pilots. Taking those rights away from AC pilots is equivalent to removing ANY benefit from ANY employee. Personally, I've already suffered a 20% pay cut (plus the inflationary losses over the past decade), reduced vacation time and sick pay and now may have to anticipate reduced pension benefits. I'm not interested in giving up any more.
  15. A realestate agent charges a commision of roughly 5% of a property's value, regardless of whether the new owner profits or loses or despite how long or arduous the sale may have been. A merger and acquisition lawyer charges a percentage of the deal's value regardless of whether the new venture's shares stay at $20 or sink to 89 cents. The transaction may have been for a pharmaceutical company that provides high value to society or for a frivolous dotcom ipo, he doesn't care. Status pay? Sure, there's an argument for that if you're inclined more towards socialism and its tenets. I flew Cessnas into gravel strips with no support and had days that were arguably more challenging than what I experience at this point in my career. Personally, I feel that my 30 years of experience is worth more now, but if we're going to re-order society's paycheques based on perceived merit, then we're going to turn the whole applecart upside down. I know a few upper management types who don't appear to be worth the money.
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