dagger Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 I'd like to hear the arguments on this case. http://biz.yahoo.com/cnw/030822/nav_canada_oppose_1.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Max Continuous Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 I think that NAV CANADA's proposed 6.9% average increase in it's air navigation service charges is ludicrous. They claim that the increase is required due to a revenue shortfall due to the continuing downturn in air traffic, but the fact that their largest customer went into CCAA in the spring, seems to have little bearing in their minds. If they're truly concerned about the state of the air industry, and long term revenue flow perhaps they might consider listening to rather than rubbing cooking oil on the goose that lays their golden eggs.IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest M. McRae Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Here is another question. Does it really cost more to provide Navcan services for a Jumbo, vs a 737 vs a Dash8 or are the larger aircraft operators providing a subsidy for the smaller???? Then imagine what the true fee structure would look like if the major operator of larger aircraft in Canada, no longer was operating....... (6) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 The short and simple answer to your question is, yes. One such example would be the runways which need to be longer, wider, built stronger and maintained to handle larger ac. Terminal environments are subject to the same considerations as are fire protection systems, buildings and parking lots etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fester Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 "If the major operator of large aircraft were no longer operating".......others would take its place. Which might be good. For those with short memories, AC owes over $40 mil. to NavCan, just took the service but didn't bother paying. Now Jetsgo, Westjet, Transat, Canjet have to make up the difference. Sheesh!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest M. McRae Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 You mean their rates have increased to make up for the shortfall???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 It's not just their rates, it's everyones! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigSkyGuy Posted August 22, 2003 Share Posted August 22, 2003 Firstly; Nav Canada is charging the airlines about as much as it did four years ago. Is AC charging their passengers 1999 fares? Secondly; The fee structure at Nav Can is flawed. Paying by the aircraft does not address load factor which is where the airlines get their revenue to pay NavCan's user fees. If the aircraft is relatively full then the airline will make money with respect to what they surcharge pax to pay NavCan. If the plane is relatively empty, they lose. Also, a few years ago when AC was making money, NavCan was rebating them user fees. Now that AC is losing money, NavCan is raising fees. Hmmmm. Something fundamentally counterintuitive there. However, since NavCan is effectively run by the airlines, seems as if the industry is shooting itself in the foot. John Crighton is ex First Air. Don Ingham, VP Corporate Planning and Commercial Relations, I believe used to work for AC. IATA seems to think NavCan is the cats meow. They awarded their Eagle Award to Nav Can a couple of years ago for best value in an ANS. So many incongruities. Who can keep up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mitch Cronin Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Re: "Is AC charging their passengers 1999 fares?" I'd say they're more like 1979 fares. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 I don't support or defend any side in the Nav Can / ailine game. It's all clear as mud to me and....very Canadian! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 I'm sure that's a pretty accurate point Mitch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Airmail Posted August 23, 2003 Share Posted August 23, 2003 Exactly Mitch! At no other time in the past 20 years has it been cheaper to fly domestically in this country -- the only portions of the bill going up are the surcharges imposed by the government and government-created agencies like NavCanada and CATSA. This not just a dispute between AC and NavCanada but one involving all carriers -- so where are WJ, Jetsgo, Canjet etc??? They stand to benefit if AC wins this and they should be there too! Or is all that complaining against high third party fees just a bunch of hot air? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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