Say Again, Over!

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  1. When Flying Was more Fun?

    Mind you, back then, men put a suit on every time they went out in public, whether it was to go to the general store or to church unless it was for work, in which case they had on their "work" clothes. So it's not unreasonable to expect them to wear a suit in an airplane. Flying wasn't the reason for being snappily dressed, is what I'm saying.
  2. We very seldom hear PAN PAN or MAYDAY but they sure get our attention! As far as how they are treated, there are three levels we recognize although only two are official. - The first will be a crew advising us they are declaring an emergency and will require the equipment. This is usually what happens in Canadian airspace and carries the same meaning as PAN PAN although the degree of response will vary depending on the crews requests. A flap problem or a landing gear issue would definitely be considered critical but not in terms of urgency to get on the ground. - The more formal PAN PAN although having the same meaning will probably be treated with more formality initially even though the issue might be the same. We don't hear it often and it means to us, rightly or wrongly, that it's a little more urgent. I suppose it has to do with the formality of using the words (a sort of STOP WHAT YOU'RE DOING AND LISTEN TO THIS) that grabs our attention. THE MEANING, however, is the same to us as declaring an emergency in plain language. If you're not sure you're being treated as such, confirm in plain language or use the formal PAN PAN. - If I hear MAYDAY, you have my undivided attention. The meaning to us is that you life is in danger RIGHT NOW! We will act accordingly. So we do apply a certain nuance depending on how the emergency is communicated to us. In the end, though, apart from being attention grabbers, the words only mean so much. Regardless of the one you chose to use, the rest of the message will tell us how to act. If you tell me your engine is on fire, you don't have to say MAYDAY. On the other side, I remember a story of BA unable to lock the gear UP and wanting to return to LHR. Upon being told he had to go to his alternate as this was not a critical emergency, he called MAYDAY.... (I wish I could say he was denied but alas). Felix
  3. Hi Don, I believe that the best way to increase safety is by making pilots and other key players safety aware as opposed to safety compliant. We are only (really) safety minded when we accept, assess and mitigate risk. Trying to proceduralize risk assessment only leads, IMHO, to complacency. Not to say of course that we should now encourage unstable approaches! What I do see is that we made "the stabilized approach gate" the holy-grail of safety when it is only a part of it. Reading the study, I can see that ALAs were incurred when something happened after the decision to land was made "because we are stable". The check marks had replaced solid risk assessment and valid and important cues were missed. Are we not building a form or confirmation bias by insisting on such procedures? This being said, I understand that in a busy, task saturated environment, the procedure is supposed to make risk assessment more efficient by making a few complex decisions simpler (i.e.stable approach criteria). But would seat of the pants flying, in controlled situations, not be conducive to honing those decision making skills? A few (ok, many) years ago, in CYYZ, we used to stay on the dual configuration throughout the day. This meant that during some periods, all 5 positions were opened (North and South towers and Grounds plus Clearance Delivery) and we all shared the 2 or 3 airplanes that were at the airport all with a very low alertness level. We found that this is when the stupid incidents happened (this is true of a majority of incidents in ATC). We proposed that we combine positions and make the operation slightly more complex to keep people stimulated at the proper level and I do believe we had some improvements. I'd be curious to know the metrics of alertness for the ALAs in the study. In the meantime, I forwarded this study to our safety people as well as the instructors in the school. Especially wrt to recommendations 1, 18 and 19.
  4. Hi Don, I'll include this in the reference material for our ATC course. Quick question, though, in light of the statistics quoted: Since over half of the runway excursions followed an otherwise stable approach could it be argued that the problem therefore does not lie with unstable approaches but rather with poor go-around decision skill? Have we been looking in the wrong place all along? I know there is a lot of pressure on operators to come in fully stabilized and we're seeing a difference of late with the "more manoeuvrable" aircraft coming in slower and farther out. Could this have an effect on the philosophy? Looking forward to the answer and discussion. Felix
  5. Leafs clinch playoff spot!

    From a Montreal Habs point of view, I think this qualifies as a political post. MODERATOR!!
  6. Well that's kind of a drag

    Well, considering the cops were involved in the United States, he should count himself luck he didn't get shot! Are terrorism charges pending in his case?
  7. Crop Duster? Not anymore

    Well, so long as you're not too restrictive with your definitions for "crop" and "dusting", it still looks like a good old fashioned "Crop Duster"!
  8. Hum, Malcolm, Who decides what is right and what is wrong? Or more to the point, what is wrong and what is even more wrong? The scale of righteousness, on top of being a slippery bugger, is far from being a binary issue. There is so much more than being right or wrong, and extenuating circumstances must be considered. A man beats another man in a bar and the man dies: is he guilty? The dead man turns out to have, looked cross at the other man's girlfriend / pushed him / provoked the first man / started the fight / been with a gang of equally unfriendly member.. Please circle the correct answer. Here, you pretending that you have a strong sense of right and wrong only means that you KNOW what is right and KNOW what is wrong and everybody should abide by that. Maybe you should apply to be a Supreme Court Judge.... Felix
  9. Circular Runways

    Although it's the length of three (or four) regular runways, the "runways" would all overlap as the threshold for each might be different depending on the wind or desired take-off or landing point. Also, the bank angle being a function of speed, different "centerlines" with varying bank angles would need to be used further confusing the operation. To me, it's impractical to the point of being just silly.
  10. More Than 150 Reportedly Die In Nigeria Crash

    I can search as well! What astounds me is that you remember there being a thread about this (and about other much more obscure topics). THAT is the exploit!
  11. More Than 150 Reportedly Die In Nigeria Crash

    Malcolm, Did you remember that there was a thread about this 5 years ago? Or do you see an aviation story and figure it was probably discussed and search for it? How can you possibly resurrect threads that are often 7 or 8 years old? Do you keep a Rolodex of all the topics here that you cross reference with every aviation source available on a daily basis? You're a librarian now, right? Or an archivist? Or are you just weird? Not criticizing.... just amazed! Felix
  12. Maybe just being alone at home while going through a divorce didn't please her at all and the one thing she looked forward to was the routine of a flight and the friendly banter on the flight deck as well as the order of things that would contrast with how she might view her life. Replacing her on the flight deck is a must, but making sure she has someone to talk to when she gets of the airplane must also be a priority.
  13. Church & State

    Outstanding point, GDR! Most of the liberties granted to the media are to protect them from undue influence from those in power. What we see now is a complete meddling of media and politics. Most don't mind because they like what they hear but fail to realize that when the media has such an influence on the masses and is equally manipulated by politicians, it's just as bad as if not worse than when the church did.
  14. Gunman at FLL , multiple shot dead.

    DEFCON, I've heard the argument about arming everybody before and I cringe every time. Adding more guns to a gun fight will more than likely dramatically increase the numbers of deaths or injuries. Sure, one or more trained police officers might be a good defence to an armed attacker but a bunch of untrained yahoos with pistols shooting in a crowded area will create a deadly crossfire with a bunch of innocent bystanders in the middle. They might be good shots and be able to shoot pop cans from wherever but for a combat situation (which this becomes) even our soldiers spend a lot of time just learning how not to shoot each other.
  15. Degrees True vs (Archaic) Degrees Magnetic

    Very interesting discussion. We have, of course, to bring it down to the lowest common denominator. While the bulk of our traffic uses FMS and other apparatus that give an artificial magnetic compass, there remains a sizable portion of GA traffic that still relies on magnetic data to get around the airways. The operational hurdle would be minimal, and by that I mean that we would only have to get used to a different set of numbers and map orientation on radars. It would probably take less than a week. However, the costs, in terms of infrastructure, would be huge. Runway signage at all airports (at least in North America) and a whole renumbering of all air navigation data as the proximity of many airports and airspace could create confusion if using different formats. As it stands, there is an amazing workload with just the design changes to approaches and regular upkeep. Imagine a whole redesign... I do believe we'll eventually move away from magnetic bearings and headings. After all, we got rid of primary radar in many sites as the transponder became common place. We will more than likely replace radar altogether with ADS-B as the technology becomes more affordable to GA pilots. It's only a question of time until we start ignoring that moody Magnetic North Pole.