wizard Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Can someone please explane why a Air Canada jazz and Zipp crews not based in yxu have to go through security to get airside but Nortwest airlink and Westjet do not go through security to get airside ??????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest acj Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Because the whole damn airport security system in Canada has variable standards for each airport. Nation's Capital airport Ottawa, Montreal, Quebec...the crews bypass security. Wabush NF, Bathurst NB, London Ont : crews go through security checks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted August 28, 2003 Author Share Posted August 28, 2003 Good point acj but why is it just Jazz and Zipp going through security and not the other airlines is because Steve Baker has a hard on to piss off Air Canada any way he can because his Airport got stiffed for $400 grand ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AllThatJazz Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 It's to protect the public and make sure we don't take control of the plane we're flying;) What a joke it is... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Airmail Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Security no longer has anything to do with the local airport authority but rather is supposed to be managed, regulated and COORDINATED by the braintrust at CATSA -- you know, the folks taking in millions in the highest air security tax in the world? Unfortunately, CATSA can barely ensure uniform procedures in the same terminal let alone among terminals at the same airport and, heaven forbid, amongst the various airports in Canada! Airport security in Canada essentially depends on the mood of the screener you happen upon. He/She will determine what they feel like doing to you ranging from absolutely nothing to an over the top near-stripsearch of you and your pre-teen kids while letting every other person go by relatively unchecked. But such is life in this socialist paradise where, unlike in the U.S., CATSA decided to keep all the MacDonald's rejects as Canada's so-called "troops on the frontline against terrorism". At least the US TSA made every single former rent-a-cop security screener pass a whole new set of criteria and training in order to be re-hired and, even then, ensured that only the best performers were allowed to stay. In Canada, you don't even need to be able to speak English or French to be able to be a security screener! You don't even need to pass a MacDonald's job interview to be employed by CATSA! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest theman Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 In YQB before 7h00 AM you have to pass trough security, but after 7 AM you don't!!!! What a joke .........Are we less dangerous after 7 or what????? It is really stupid..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rance Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 While on the security issue. Saw a guy walk thru security with a home computer.No monitor, no power cords just the box. When I asked the agent why he didn't need to turn it on (like a laptop or cell phone) she said it is no longer required. I guess putting it thru the x-ray machine would only reveal a box with electonic components and wires. I'll sleep easier knowing these procedures are our line of defense. I found this very unsettling (as i was taking my belt off and surrending my deadly tweezers). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cabo Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 With the new trace detection system no electronic equipment should need to be turned on. (If they have the trace system in place, which they should by now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest jeanmermoz Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 I will have to disagree because it is the GTAA that requires the Flight Crews to go through security because it does not want to have a separate area where crews will go through like YUL, YHZ, and YVR to name a few. Anyway, YYZ is the worst airport I have flown through as a pilot and as a pax. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flyersclub Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 they advised me at yycap that no electronics need to be turned on, just put through the xray machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest rance Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 Seemed weird to me at the time to put a desktop computer thru an e-xray machine.All the agent would see is wires and electonic components which could resemble a bomb. I guess if they wipe it its good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest cabo Posted August 28, 2003 Share Posted August 28, 2003 The x-ray / trace machine is supposed to detect explosives. (emphasis on "supposed to'). It is supposed to be very effective, but you have made a good point about perception and what the public sees! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ABC Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 You said "YYZ is the worst airport I have flown though as a pilot and as a pax" Agreed. Operationally, YYZ is the WORST airport I have ever seen. This might explain why GTAA is being used as an acronym for "go to another airport." The truly sad part is that our nation's flag carrier has chosen this to be their hub. In Canada Toronto IS important. But AC should do all that it can to avoid YYZ/GTAA (and CARA!) The business plan at Westjet is a perfect compromise: fly to Toronto, but only as a last resort. Kichener-Waterloo, Ottawa, London, Windsor and Hamilton are big markets. AC should cater to them, not force their residents (and 70% of the rest of the citizens of this country through YYZ to eat CARA food). If nothing else, make Toronto City Centre or Oshawa an alternative to YYZ and the GTAA. Come to think of it, of all those airlines that have gone broke in Canada over the past decade, how many were based in YYZ? In another few years, passengers will be able to enjoy very nice, modern facilities in Toronto. Unfortunately, these facilities will cost a lot of money and, operationally, will not be able to accomodate more flights. At least the passengers will have luxurious waiting rooms.. Did I mention that the waiting rooms will be expensive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest M. McRae Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 I think you are missing one very important point. You are assuming that everyone in a pilots uniform going through security would be a genuine pilot. What about someone with a stolen or reproduced uniform with fake ID. If they can produce Fake passports, I am sure they can make fake Airport Passes and uniforms. So until there is proof positive re id (retinal scanners or ?) at every airport, get used to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Touchdown Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 So wanding us to death makes a difference to someone with a stolen uniform and fake ID? Heck, their names won't show up on the "list" as it isn't a "lost" or non-returned tag..... THey will make it through anyway..... I have to say, I'm with gurk on this one..... Mr T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Where is the fake pilot going to go that fake ramp, mtc., CSA and security personnel can't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innuendo Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Hi DEFCON, if I read what MMcRae is getting at the problem might be when the "fake" pilots actualy know how to fly the aircraft. Perhaps making off with an aircraft from YYZ may be difficult but I would think that an APU equipped self contained A/C, parked offgate at a smaller station, could be vulnerable. As he suggests, I think when there is some sort of ID system such as your retinal scan being in the security peoples data base and matching say, a bar code on your Pilot ID pass there can be some assurance that you are who you are supposed to be. Maybe then everybody can keep their tweezers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest M. McRae Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 But at least they will not have their nail files. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Thanks. I agree with you but, the point I'm making is that any other of those non checked groups could produce a false pilot. In other words, one doesn't need a fake pilot uniform and ID to steal a plane. The real question is; who's checking the checkers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innuendo Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Yes, quite correct, I suppose that it just makes the case for some means of making sure that the wearer of an airside pass is who they are supposed to be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEFCON Posted August 29, 2003 Share Posted August 29, 2003 Agreed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest flyersclub Posted August 31, 2003 Share Posted August 31, 2003 measily plastic corkscrew i stole from a hotel room many years ago ... they took it away ... i forgot i even had it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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