Kip Powick Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 From The Toronto Star http://www.torontostar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&c=Article&cid=1052251535800&call_pageid=968350072197&col=969048863851 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Guest b52er Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 I find this comment that appears in the article rather baffling but not surprising. There's that "unprofitable" word yet again! This is a statement that individuals at other successful airlines in Canada already know, that being, that AC will do nothing more, if it emerges, than revert to the same tactics that has gotten themselves into this current crisis, that being, market share at any cost. Why doesn't AC just go away. Good luck to all in the next crisis, surely to occur! The CCAA filing is the "cold shower of reality" that Rovinescu hopes will finally wash away the remainder of Air Canada's old image as a crown corporation with a duty to link virtually every Canadian — no matter how unprofitable that task — by air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest b52er Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 I find this author's statement found about 2/3 of the way through the article baffling but unfortunately true. AC will no doubt once again if it emerges, continue to jeopardize a few other healthy, money making airlines in Canada that can service Canadians far better than what they are accustomed to by linking Canadians, at any cost. Just a question, if one of the other 3 airlines in Canada at this point in time fail, can a class action suit be brought against AC, its managers, and anyone else associated for intentionally operating below costs thereby costing other employees at successful airlines their livelyhoods, careers, pensions, earning abilities, intentionally placing downward pressure on the stock market, ect. If so.....count me and thousands others in! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BillyBigToe Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Oh, give us a break.... What a load of sh*t. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bigbigbus Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 don't give up your day job Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Airmail Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Stay tuned...a leaner, more efficient and highly competitive is coming! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 b52er give it up your comment's are full of &%$@!. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tri-spool Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Maybe AC employees should bring a class action suit against Westjet?????? Grow up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neo Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 "He's a shrewd businessman and a 100 per cent capitalist. Some people have a difficult time with that whole concept, but if I was trying to rebuild the airline, I would probably like him working for me." -- Gary Fane, CAW You can't buy compliments like that. neo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest b52er Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 For what....... operating an efficient, effective, prosperous, lean, money making airline, that gives the travelling public access to safe, reliable affordable airtravel throughout Canada? Apparantely, based on the responses, I have hit a nerve, and perhaps there is some merit here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest b52er Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 And what exactly would the basis be? Running an effiecient, cost effective, prosperous, safe, reliable airline providing Canadians with service that they have come to expect finally? How about it Jetsgoers, Canjetters. Precedence may have already been set by recent Competition Tribunal rulings regarding cease and desist orders in the past. Any lurking lawyers would like to comment? Apparantely I have struck a nerve and perhaps there is some basis here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest b52er Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Hey, I didn't write the article. Just commented on its merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest b52er Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Hey, I didn't write the article. Just commented on its merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 You mean the presidents of those airlines hadn't already considered the possibility? You must be the shrewdest capitalist of them all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 If Air Canada survives CCAA and re-emerges with costs low enough to make a profit wherever it flies, would that be predatory? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest b52er Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 I don't doubt that they have, however, I am refering more specifically to the employees of the airlines that would be negatively affected. They have proven that money can be made, and if their futures are jeopardized, what would stop them from attempting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest b52er Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Not at all. The key is making a profit. Posting profits, reporting profits, (or break even) and continually posting profits, just like what is occuring now with the other airlines. Then.......that would be effective competition, which is healthy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 That's about the stupidest thing I've heard yet from you. You are saying that Westjet or Canjet or Jetsgo employees should be sheltered from competition. So what if Westjet has made money since its inception. Where does it say in the Charter of Rights and Freedoms that they have a right to be assured a profit or protected against competition. It was by offering lower costs - and hence lower fares - that they got established. Why shouldn't their markets be fair game if the competition is lawful? Sauce for the gander, old boy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 I would remind you as well that Canjet and Jetsgo are not reporting anything, profits or losses. It is speculation on your part that they are profitable. I know of few industry insiders who believe Jetsgo is profitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 First the competition rulings are a bunch of S... and is in place because the transport minister hates Robert Milton and Clive is a crybaby and it's ok for Westjet Jetsgo and canjet to have a seat sale and compete with AC but AC has a seat sale and it's called predatory to the market.Ya right b52er it's called low cost airlines way to get the market with help from the government. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Airmail Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Dagger: It's the Canadian way! But just wait until AC comes out of CCAA with a competitive cost structure...WJ will be whining about something new then. There's a big difference between being a winner and being a whiner. It seems as though some WJ boys and girls can't tell the difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Airmail Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Wizard: AC's Canadian competitors have relied on the government to protect them from AC for years -- instead of insisting on sound business plans, the government simply declares anything AC does to be either predatory or price-gouging. The government also saddles AC with a whole host of obligations to make it less competitive. But there's reason for hope. The clouds are parting and if the process succeeds in getting improving AC's cost structure then WJ, Canjet and Jetsgo will surely be whining about something else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Thanks Airmail a voice of reason and the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest b52er Posted May 10, 2003 Share Posted May 10, 2003 Nothing except the Competition bureau. No problems here IF any airline can show profitability. IF a particular airline emerges from CCAA protection, and IF they further show losses, and for economic reasons, another airline that has been profitable, and that profitability disappears simply due to anothers predatory pricing below established costs, (and its not hard to figure out how much it costs for equivalent AC types to fly from point A to then absolutely, that airline should be held accountable for losses incurred by others. It's really quite simply dagger. And by the way, you hit the nail on the head yourself. "Lower costs - Lower fares". I don't see the problem. Could you elaborate on your attempt to describe logical reasoning for your illogical train of thoughts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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