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    Fire (water) Bombing

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    I believe NWT stopped using the 215s when they acquired the AT802 Fire Bosses in 2017 / 2018. Not sure if they took the NWT aircraft, but Longview / Viking has been buying up older piston 215s in the hopes selling them as 515 EAF conversions. At north of $30 million a pop, the customer base is small. You can buy more water capacity in Fire Bosses for a lot less money.

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    Travel during the continuing PANDEMIC

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    20 hours ago, Maverick said:

    I believe that this whole affair has been blown totally out of proportion worldwide but particularly in Canada. It is in Justin Trudeau's best interest to keep the (taxpayer bought) media spotlight on lockdowns, fear mongering, travel restrictions, Covid hotels, vaccines etc.

    He has completely messed this up and yes, I blame him and him alone. He's the leader and for once he should actually be held accountable.

    You are entitled to this belief and you are certainly not alone. Here's why I think your conclusions are a little unfair.

    I've tried to look at this from a familiar place and compare it to a similar crisis in aviation. I looked for an incident that presented similar issues. For best fit, it would need to be one which: 

    • the captain and crew had no hand in creating it - they were simply the ones on duty that day;
    • none of the crew had ever seen it before, either for real or in a simulator;
    • there was no SOP or checklist;
    • the crew's ability to respond was significantly hampered by one or more unknown factors; and
    • no matter what they decided, someone was probably going to die.

    The best example I found was the UAL DC10 that suffered a catastrophic engine failure and lost all hydraulics, leaving Captain Al Haines and crew with very little control over the aircraft. We all know how that day turned out. We also know that in spite of a textbook case of the application of CRM principles, many people still died that day when they "landed" at Sioux City. Yet not once have I heard anyone lay even a modest amount of criticism at the feet of Haines and his crew. They were lauded as heroes for their efforts because they had somehow managed to pull off a miracle. Yet none of them basked in the light of their accolades. They were all steadfast in their disappointment that things didn't turn out better, but they took solace in the fact that they did the best they could with what they had available.

    None of our current government leaders is responsible for the state of Canada's level of preparedness for a global pandemic on the day before this thing broke (sorry, but SARS was a mere blip by comparison). Our lack of preparedness was decades in the making.

    None of our current leaders negotiated the free trade deals that saw almost all of our pharmaceutical manufacturing capability move offshore. 

    Every leader (nationally AND provincially) has made decisions which were later found wanting, but in many cases those findings came after more data was gathered and the situation was better understood. But according to some, their mere position of power makes them responsible for a lack of before-the-fact hindsight. IMHO, that's like saying Al Haines should have been able to spot that impending turbine failure during his walkaround, or that he should have anticipated that such a blade failure could wipe out all of the hydraulics on his airplane. Sure, okay, sounds reasonable ...

    I am not suggesting that all criticism be muzzled, I merely believe that our criticisms should require us to understand that none of us was being asked to make the decisions as this situation has evolved. I for one am glad that we've had the leadership we've had - warts and all. When this thing has passed and there's been time for reflection, I suspect that unlike the recently deposed man to the south, every political leader in this country will sincerely wish we could have stopped it sooner and that more lives could have been saved. They'll wish the damage to our social fabric had been less pronounced and that we could have come through this with less economic cost.

    I hope someday we'll all have a chance to reflect and at least try to understand that for all of the troubles this mess has brought, the notion that making decisions for an entire province or a country when so much uncertainty prevails is not for the faint of heart.

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    Travel during the continuing PANDEMIC

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    22 hours ago, UpperDeck said:

    Forgive me.....I believed this to be a forum populated by intelligent individuals with vast life experiences who tolerated the expression of opinions with which they might not agree but who would not feel compelled to disparage.

     

    You’ve established your priorities over a number of comments on this subject, and unfortunately you seem unable to understand that the attitude you put forward touches a nerve - not just with a few on here - but with a fair chunk of your fellow citizens. Suggesting that those who disagree with you are somehow lacking in intelligence is the final icing on a pretty smug cake, IMHO. 

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    Sunwing Partners and other news

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    14 minutes ago, Specs said:

    God I hope this works.  I had my first flight in over a year last week.  It was surreal.  Empty airport, empty plane. 

    A colleague connected through DFW last week on his way home from simulator training. He said it was just as busy as every other time he's gone through there.

    737 Max Updates and Cancellations

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    On 4/24/2021 at 7:25 AM, North of You said:

    This isn’t in anyway a productive comment to make on this thread,

     

    But..

     

    Hows that outsourcing everything and everyone to unskilled labour to save money program working out for you Boeing? 

    Not to mention putting 30,000 out of work while the CEO cashed in on over $20 million in bonuses last year.

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    Travel during the continuing PANDEMIC

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    The aviation industry remembers the well deserved criticism against the so-called increases in security that we faced post-9/11 and how it amounted to little more than lipstick on the proverbial pig (harassing innocent people instead of targeting actual risks). Given the facts around the greatest contributors to COVID case spread, it's not hard to see why so many are questioning the validity of our current travel restrictions. They have more holes than all of the cheese in Zurich.

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    Travel during the continuing PANDEMIC

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    On 3/16/2021 at 7:01 PM, UpperDeck said:

    Justin....get on a plane and figure out how they do it in the US....and follow its lead!!

    So all he needs to do is bamboozle a smaller neighbour into giving up their own pharmaceutical industry in exchange for a free trade deal, then we can all live high on the hog. 

    Trudeau has hardly been a shining star over the past year but it wasn't his government who sold our pharmaceutical independence down the road to get a deal. We're all paying the price for that mistake even though it's more than a 1/4 century old, because not unexpectedly, most countries (including the USA) are prioritizing their own citizens first and we get their leftovers. Lucky you to have slipped past that one.

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