milehighclub Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 I went to the roadshow and i was very impressed about the pro-active way ALPA took control of the ship. Man, it's very reassuring to have a union with a vision. I'm now convinced about the survival of JAZZ as an entity and it is now clear that ACPA (especially your maple-leaf-tattoed-reps) is one of the most reactive, short-sighted and machiavellian type of union. Now i'm talking to the AC pilots: Stop the infighting, show humility and respect for the 35 000 other employees; time is running and you do not have any more friends left in the boat... It's never too late to apologize ! p.s. Just watch us running, you won't believe your eyes ! MHC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ACguy Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 As of yet we do not have a TA presented to us to vote on. What would you suggest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southshore Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 Ours was accepted and ratified on our behalf. The choice is this simple - accept the TA or go un unemployment. Dagger (who seems to have a pretty good finger on these things) believes that 24 hours will not pass, after a rejection, before the company starts to be dismantled by the creditors. It is entirely up to them. They are tired of waiting. It is not up to the company. It is that simple. So, bad work (like sex) is better than none. Your MEC should sign and get it over with. IMO But, that ain't gonna happen so I don't know why I bothered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest givemeabreak Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 Put some pressure on. Phone 2, 3, 4 times a day to your reps, email them constantly, get others on the same trip. And in the worst case: Ever hear of DFR? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ecamaction Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 Southshore You mention in your post that your MEC decided on your behalf to ratify your TA. I wonder how you would react if your MEC ratified a TA which negatively impacted your career. It appears to me that you trust Dagger's opinion more than the collective opinion of your members. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest givemeabreak Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 It wasn't positive. More work (productivity was a joke anyway, so I will give some there); less pay, 141 layoffs still stand, 80+ downgrades still stand. An "intent" to fly some more aircraft all hinging on what another group does due to overlap. Hmmm, sounds positive to me. Wow I would hate to hear what negative is in your world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southshore Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 This is amazing. What in unemployment does he not get as being a 'negative' in a career. There are only 2 choices. sheesh Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
milehighclub Posted June 13, 2003 Author Share Posted June 13, 2003 I would say from the start: put a smiley on your face, be positive with your co-workers (not only pilots)and do you know the proverbial " don't wash your dirty clothes in front of everyone" ! It would be a good starter. Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PortTack Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 Our MEC and six lawyers recommended our TA. ALPA's main lawyer, Ken Rosenberg, is one of the best in this business. KR has been on everyside of the fence and has seen bigger places than AC fail. You have a good point to your post, its evident that the ALPA TA improves the careers of Jazz pilots within two years. The ACPA TA is rumored to be worse and I assume that is why it's going to a vote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Flex Posted June 13, 2003 Share Posted June 13, 2003 "The ACPA TA is rumored to be worse and I assume that is why it's going to a vote." No at ACPA ANY change to the contract has to be approved by the membership. The MEC make recommandation and the membership decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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