dagger Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 From AC's daily email: On June 7 and 8 2003, ACPA, ALPA and Air Canada met for final meetings in the pilot seniority mediation/ arbitration presided over by Mr. Brian Keller. During the two days of meetings, Mr. Keller was unable to assist ACPA and ALPA in reaching a mediated settlement. Mr. Keller indicated that he would issue an award shortly. His award is expected to take into consideration the principles set out by Chair Lordon of the Canada Industrial Relations Board in his reconsideration of the original Mitchnick pilot seniority award." Okay, what are the Lorden principles in this dispute? And how come by yesterday everyone seemed to know for a fact what's in this guy's report. He would have had to write it in a day, and submit it to somebody, for everyone to get a "leaked" assessment. Something smells here, alright, but it isn't the award. Somebody is trying to manipulate AC pilots, to what end I do not know. But it is terribly fishy that this was being presented to people as a done deal with all in the know "knowing" the details already. And Keller wasn't so ignorant of events to know his award could have a bombshell effect, so was it really due out on Friday? I smell a very foul odor of seriously rotting fish here, and it's not the Keller award. Are you being suckered by someone? Looks like it. But by whom? And why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 ”Okay, what are the Lorden principles in this dispute?” Nobody knows till we see how Keller interprets the principles or the ‘spirit’, more importantly, of Lorden, imo. As for the timetable. I should suspect a nearly complete draft would have been available for all sides to consider, June 07, don’t you think. Make no mistake, Keller WILL have an impact on the viability of Air Canada, as has every step so far had an impact. Only question is, what impact. Have a great day. dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest buck Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Dagger: The Lordon principles are outline in the CIRB website under decision #183... Are you smelling something fishy here?.....in an arbitration, if one side suddenly pulls out, there has obviously been some sort of a disagreement where the arbitrator/mediator is going.....and when Rob McInnes goes on record to say their side will greatly benefit, it does not take a rocket scientist to determine, that it is not going to help the original Air Canada pilots. So basically, if it walks, talks and looks like a duck, it probably is one. Is anyone, or group being suckered here? Probably, and time will tell by whom, and for what purpose. It is unfortunate, that time is running short. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sustainable Posted June 11, 2003 Share Posted June 11, 2003 Do you have that as a direct personal quote from Rob, or did you just read it in the newspaper? If you're relying on the newspaper for your information maybe you should take some time off and get a little perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted June 11, 2003 Author Share Posted June 11, 2003 If he was trying to negotiate a settlement, he might not have tipped his hand about his final award. I don't know of any arbitrators who show you the text of his/her award while the hearings are still in progress. It is possible that ACPA "divined" where he might go, based on his efforts to find a compromise. It is also possible thaT somewhat from ALPA might have "divined" that he was going in another direction trying to get a mediated settlement. If he were to tell the two sides what the formal award was going to look like, well, what incentive would that be to negotiate? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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