Guest Oracle Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 Just curious if any insiders or others in the know would predict pilot layoffs at AC. Is it a forgone conclusion or not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest q650 Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 They may quite possibly avoid layoffs, this is a reality. You might however be able to find other employment quite easily with better pay/benefits and just as good quality of life once the "restructured" airline is in place ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labtec Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 I would hazard a guess that you'll see 212 pilots furloughed. If the 747's go we'll definately be in a surplus situation and there are 212 pilots that do not have any "no layoff" protection. (Not that it means much these days). We'll lose another 360 in the next 3 years and we'll probably be coming out of this malaise by then. The 212 get recalled and we retire another 700 by 2010. This will end and it WILL be good again. People need to fly; its that simple. Labtec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 I'm just wondring a few things after reading your posting: how many pilots associated with the 74 in total, Capts, FOs, reserve, training, management pilot etc? Also the 360 you mention, those are retirements? And lastly, the 212 with no layoff protection, they were hired when? Thanks Seeker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 I'm just wondering a few things after reading your posting: how many pilots associated with the 74 in total, Capts, FOs, reserve, training, management pilots etc? Also the 360 you mention, are those retirements? And lastly, the 212 with no layoff protection, when were they hired? Thanks Seeker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest av8tr Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 I recently heard (second hand info) that the company does not have enough pilots for its summer schedule. Not sure if this determination was made prior to CCAA but most likely was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aBusDriver Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 "You might however be able to find other employment quite easily with better pay/benefits and just as good quality of life once the "restructured" airline is in place" I doubt it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Labtec Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 We lose 349 pilots to planned retirements to the end of 2005. We lose another 684 to scheduled retirements by the end of 2010.That's 1033 pilots retired by the end of 2010. The 212 that I think will be laid off include the 172 that were to be layed off last year plus another 40 hired last May and June. Its just a guess but there will likely be some blood on the floor in flight ops and my guess is as above; if we survive. Labtec Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 Thanks. Hopefully those pilots retiring will have their pension waiting for them. Normally I would say retiring is a good thing but in this case it may not be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alldatjazz Posted April 13, 2003 Share Posted April 13, 2003 Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe that the Contracts are still valid even under CCAA. Therefore, the no lay-off clauses are still binding and can only be changed if the Unions give a Let to the Company. Perhaps they will do it under pressure from the Creditors but, it is still the Unions perogative. Comments? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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