wrench Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 jazz fleet renewal...... 717....u heard it here 1st Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest acj Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 are u stirring the pot or what? any credibility? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrench Posted October 17, 2003 Author Share Posted October 17, 2003 no. Not sure source is 100% but usually is. We will see Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest acj Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 how many seats is the 717? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrench Posted October 17, 2003 Author Share Posted October 17, 2003 can be 84 with 36 inch pitch business interior...very comfortable... also in high density Y class can configure to 106 .77M cruise, 950 cu ft cargo capacity and aprox. 100,000 MTOW. with that config 1400 nautical mile range.. Hey, who knows. Like I said...we'll see. All I know is if they go with more CRJ's they better hire more mechanics Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Sowsun Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 I don't think JAZZ will be getting any 76-110 seat aircraft. But even if they did, there is still a problem because both the Boeing 717 and A318 have a maximum seating capacity well over 110 seats. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/717/717technical.html (B717 max 117 seats) http://www.hawaiianair.com/about/services/b717.asp (B717 max 123 seats) http://www.airbus.com/product/a318_cabin_layouts.asp (A318 max 117 seats) "all aircraft with a maximum certified seating capacity between 76 and 110 seats" This wording is part of the new 6 year ACPA contract. It has to do with the pay scales negotiated for the 76-110 seat aircraft. Correct me if I am wrong, but it is my understanding that any aircraft with a maximum certified seating capacity over 110 seats is not up for negotiation and must be flown by ACPA pilots. Mike Sowsun Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Boethius Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Que sera, sera! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest dwb yyc Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Would the scope still be in effect if JAZZ was sold? Rumors on another site from what seems to be a FA who's father is with ACPA, (he had seen it on the family computer) that JAZZ has been sold. Could it be the same young lad that let it out of the bag before and posted on another site in May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kilo Mike Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Hello again dwb. Scope applies to flying AC code. You fly AC mainline pax..you deal with the codeshare scope provisions. Now hypothetically, if the new independant Jazz developed it's own infrastructure, marketing, ticketing etc to generate it's own passengers.... I'd guess then Bob's your uncle. Just recommend looking at what's happening at NWA's regional partner..or i guess ex partner would be more correct. Not a pretty picture. The phrase "be carefull what you wish for.." comes to mind. Respectfully KM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HPT-TOUR Posted October 17, 2003 Share Posted October 17, 2003 Or you can look at Swiss Air, have a nice weekend. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Kilo Mike Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 HPT.... I wouldn't really hold Swiss air / Cross air as an example of what Jazz can accomplish being that it is going through receivership right now... Also wondering what that has to do with dwb's question regarding scope? Having an awesome weekend HPT. Thanx for asking (y) . Hugs and kiss's to you and your inflatable ACPA punching doll . KM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest HPT-TOUR Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Who needs an acpa punching doll,when the lawsuit is doing just fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest abc Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 don't think JAZZ will be getting any 76-110 seat aircraft. But even if they did, there is still a problem because both the Boeing 717 and A318 have a maximum seating capacity well over 110 seats. http://www.boeing.com/commercial/717/717technical.html (B717 max 117 seats) I read 106 pax in a typical configuration. Didn't see the 117. But who really cares? I hope the airline continues and I hope we all have jobs. Here's hoping! Cheers ABC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest abc Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 be careful what you wish for... Hi KM, I just hope we all have jobs. I used to say "jobs we can be proud of." IMHO your opinion about being a partner ... ahhh, it's not worth it. Best wishes to you and your family. I will work hard to provide for mine. Perhaps we can work together to make AC a profitable operation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stickle Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 The current commercial agreement between AC and Jazz stipulates that as long as the flying carries an AC flight number scope would apply. I know that many at Jazz feel that it shouldn't but there is a scope clause from Jazz to the Tier 3 flying even though there is no direct ownership involved. Many times we see the Jazz employees on here wanting to go off on their own and they seem to think that they will be fine. Could happen but I doubt it. The AC code is the lifeline to QK. If they wanted to go out and become an independant operator do you really think that AC is going to just turn over the routes that you currently fly for them. Doubtful. We are all in this big mess together and, god willing, we will emerge from CCAA together. If we focussed our energies on combatting the competition instead of each other we would be much better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lupin Posted October 18, 2003 Share Posted October 18, 2003 Air canada as just re-activated the dc-9 licences for the AMEs in yul.Maybe it is possible we would be getting 717.But who knows.... Lupin AME yul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AME Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Lupin When I left YUL there was a deal in the works for some of the Mojave DC9s, the reactivation of the licences may be just to do C checks on these aircraft. Brett Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Mike Sowsun Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 http://www.boeing.com/commercial/717/717technical.html Click on "Interiors" and you'll find that the all economy version has 117 seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ABC Posted October 19, 2003 Share Posted October 19, 2003 Thank you. It looks like a very nice airplane that would give WJ a bit of competition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino Under Posted October 24, 2003 Share Posted October 24, 2003 Just a comment from afar.... Scope clauses are the next industry Dinosaur which many haven't seemed to figure out yet. Fighting over this 'scope' nonsense is simply a waste of time and good money. It only serves to frustrate and to turn one group against another. In the present reality, YOU GOTTA DO WHAT YOU GOTTA DO. That means, aircraft will be placed where the economics dictate and 'contract' or no contract, all bets are off. Can't you see and figure out what's happening in the States??? ...Scope clauses!!! Bah! Humbug!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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