Seeker

How much you want to bet that JetBlue is currently, co-incidentially, I'm sure, in a contract with JDPower for some service.  Sorry, just too jaded to take it on face-value.

9 hours ago, Kip Powick said:

I have a feeling that the CC are interconnected for pilot feel and "vision-sense" but I would doubt they are connected to cables for ailerons or elevators or rudders....probably all flight controls are electrical with . electrical servo motors now..

And now we're back to what we were talking about  - that the PM will have a visual/physical indication of what the PF is doing on the controls.  I understand that there is some significant differences between being mechanically linked and just having the inputs electrically repeated to both CCs but the key point in this discussion is that when one CC moves the other moves too. 

This should have made the incident we're discussing impossible and yet it didn't.  Of course a little verbal communication would have solved the problem too;  If the PF had called "Go-around!" and said "I'm pulling up but the aircraft isn't climbing!"  Maybe the PM would have stopped pushing on the CC (which he shouldn't have been touching anyways)?

9 hours ago, Mitch Cronin said:

Not so fast... The 777's columns are not like older beasts. They're not interconnected any more than a pair of side sticks are. They produce the same result of electrical wizardry as side sticks do and their output is only electrical.

I think the "argument" Rich is referring to is that having CCs provides more information to the other pilot because of the ease of seeing the movement.  Some people seem to believe that SS are less safe because an input on one of them does not result in movement on the other.

5 minutes ago, Rich Pulman said:

And once again the argument for interconnected control columns versus stand alone side sticks gets blown to smithereens.

Well, I wouldn't say "blown to smithereens".  No matter how good a system is it can't be 100% foolproof 100% of the time.  I think in AF 447 having a CC would have helped the Capt see the improper input when he returned to the FD which may have helped initiate the correct recovery.

7 minutes ago, Moon The Loon said:

More Air France training/competency issues?

 

I blame Napoleon.

10 minutes ago, Kip Powick said:

One on CC and other on FMS ??

No, both on CC.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/air-france-flight-pilots-lost-control/

I read about this on another site.  Very odd that a couple of 777 pilots wouldn't instantly detect that the other pilot was pulling/pushing on the controls.  And then....no communications between them?  Weird.

18 hours ago, Specs said:

Given their history with GE on the narrowbody Airbus fleet that was a surprise.     

Some accountant probably had the veto based on a promised 0.1% fuel savings.

21 hours ago, Kip Powick said:

How so ?? Passengers want cheap airfare, comfort beyond reasonable, and some  actually consider safety. I would guess that over 90% of passengers don't even realize what aircraft type they are on unless they read the emergency card or actually listen to the Safety Video. I really don't think passengers are aware of any aircraft design.

 

The mighty 737 has done it's bit, now it's time for something new.  Of course, the passengers want cheap airfare but that's not what I was talking about or what I said.  What I said is that passengers would better served with a new design.

A new design could/would incorporate a better ventilation system maybe with humidity control, probably slightly wider seats, possibly a bigger door, certainly a more ergonomic flightdeck and galleys which would improve the service and safety.  The list goes on and on.  TBH, the 737 has been skating by many required safety advances on the basis it's pre-existing certification and this has most definitely not served the passengers well.

14 hours ago, J.O. said:

It’s all in the numbers. Most airline bean counters don’t give a flying fadoo about the pilots’ preferences.

It's not just pilot preference as the passengers would be better served by a modern design.

To all airline executives out there - please stop buying the 737!  Stop buying something that is substandard and they will be forced to produce something better (like they should have done 20 years ago).

Very cool.  I hope he goes back when the snow is gone so we can see the track.

2 minutes ago, Kip Powick said:

Seeker...Seeker......you should know me by now.....HUMOUR..HUMOUR   it is the elixir of my life...( I guess I should have used some  emojis??) 

Yes, I know you Kip.  My response was also humour and was mainly for those who might be reading the thread - you know, just to carry it further.

29 minutes ago, Kip Powick said:

She proves that if you have the correct power tools you can fix anything.....

Thanks for sharing..

Power tools?  The only "power tool" I saw was the welder unless you call a claw hammer and pipe wrench power tools.  At the 12:00 minute mark she picks up the fully assembled diesel engine with cast iron black and attached flywheel to carry it to the test stand - that's some power right there.

Check out this one.  Repairs a generator.  No just the engine but rebuilds the electrical side too:  

Wow, impressive.  Be sure to click on the gear icon and turn on sub-titles.

A gantry system sounds like it would be perfect but "real world" is a completely different scenario.  The truth is that with the wind blowing from some random direction any particular aircraft might be completely covered on one side and almost bare on the other - this would lead to over-applying one side to assure the other is cleaned off.  If you were to try to devise a system that allows for different amounts of spray on each side you might as well use trucks - as that's the ultimate control.

17 minutes ago, deicer said:

 

Excellent.  I was going to post that last night and got distracted.  Does it concern you that Youtube is suggesting the same videos to me as you?

Twenty minutes of close-up magic.  With the benefit of being able to rewind the video you can sometimes see the magic but 100% I would not have seen it in a live performance.  Very funny.  Watch to the end because when you think it's done, it's not done.

20 minutes ago, Kip Powick said:

The 2019 film will not be shown on IMAX. It has been held back due to the theatres operating under pandemic rules. IMAX wanted to hold it but Paramount wanted it in full theatres  Filmed when Tom Cruise was close to 60 years old !! Val Kilmer is back as Iceman but with his recovery from throat cancer he will be using a voice box to speak......should be a fun film to watch.

Well, apparently it was filmed in IMAX so there's always hope it will eventually be shown in IMAX (if we ever get through the madness).

11 hours ago, Airband said:

He's baaack...

One thing I am not going to do is to watch it on an iPad or seatback screen.  Wonder if I can find it playing in IMAX?

I have never flown a 737 or an Airbus but I've spent a lot of time in the back of both and a lot of time in the jump seat of both.  I'll say this;  many 737 pilots have an opinion of the aircraft that does not seem to match reality as I see it.  When you ask them, most 737 pilots will say it flies great but when you ask about the systems, workflows, livability of the flight deck or ergonomics only those with no familiarity of the Airbus will prefer the 737.

7 hours ago, JL said:

I wonder if the MAX10 was ever in the running in this purchase decision.

I hope not.  For no other reason than I just watched the Netflix documentary on the Boeing 737 Max debacle and I'm vindictive.

29 minutes ago, UpperDeck said:

Damn!! You had to ask that question, didn't you? My hand is raised.

We confirmed with our insurer....turn off the water and home inspections not required. So we turn off the water....but turning off the circuit breaker for the heater wasn't on the checklist.

BUT....it IS on the list for the boat. Not made of money so therefore accept characterization of "dumb".

 

Sorry.  I credit my very frugal father for that one.  These days I go even further and unplug all the various powerbars around the house - save a few dollars (maybe) from not having all the TVs and electronics in standby mode and also prevents the, admittedly small, threat of damage from a power surge or lightning strike.

Short, unverified and distressing video purported to be the aircraft in a dive shortly before the crash and the ensuing fire.

My prayers for the families, crew and victims.