chockalicious

Maybe for those who only see anything as left/right when it comes to political discussion. Some other folks can see nuance and both sides of an issue.

You are probably correct however it could be the accompanying hyperbole and using each post as a "case closed" type statement that is probably the cause. Nobody else has the time or inclination to post every op-ed they come across.

MTL and Mitch Theoretically at least it does work and I am all for equalization payments and quite aware of their history and how they work. I think our resources should benefit all Canadians. Those attacks on the Oildsands nmay not have been representative of what the general populace was thinking but out here it can be seen as another indicator of eastern mendacity towards industry in the west. I know it is an old point and at some point people have to move on but the NEP was aimed at a very specific Alberta industry. I don't see federal programs aimed at the hydro-electric industry. I have no desire to see the province where I now make my home seperate from Canada. I can however understand the reasons that people put forward on why we should (even if I don't agree with them)

Hi Mitch Couple things here. Can you post the link or attribute the source of the artice you posted. I don't want to attack the messenger but I would like to know who published the report. If it is a "Jim Stanford, economist for the CAW" type I know reflexively to dismiss it immediately. Those jobs may be lost due to a higher dollar but what is the alternative? Cripple one section of the country to artificially keep lthe dollar low so that exporters can compete? Should there not be some onus on them to get more efficient? The Oilsands drive manufacturing jobs as well as bring revenue to all parts of the country. I think it is short focussed to blame all of the manufacturing sector's ills on one region/industry. As for the western seperatism sentiment, yes it is out there. I feel that a Canadian resource should benefit all Canadians, not just those in that province. Surely you can understand though that when the leaders of two provinces come out and slam the industry of a third that there might be hard feelings? Not to throw too many different arguements out there but is PQ sharing the considerable wealth generated by it's northern hydro projects? This disparity and the perception of it is what drives a lot of comments like the one Fido makes. I don't neccessarily agree, but I sure understand it.

Goebbels, Really? When all else fails invoke a Nazi. It states: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1."[3][2]

I admire your persistence Mitch

Cap and Trade is a scam on an enormous scale and having any economy tied to it is completely idiotic. Cap and Trade jobs are not "green" jobs.

Hi Woxof I characterize you the way I do for a few reasons. I don't think you are interested in an actual conversation about this (or most things). You are looking for re-affirmation of the view point you already hold so that you can go on with comments like "scam of the century". You selectively choose which parts of a person's posts to quote. On the 6th post of this thread I said that a links fest would begin but I also said something about the environment and global warming. When you rush here to post the latest Op-ed you find on the internet and then characterize anyone who does not respond one way, you are guilty of hurling insults just like the petty crap I throw at you. I called you socially inept because you drag out old posts about some insult, real or imagined, to get the mantle of victimhood. I don't think most on here have the inclination to do this, just seems like the work of someone lacking in social skills. I could be very wrong, maybe you just like to be thorough and this is how you get your affirmation. Anyway I will refrain from the petty shots as it is a waste of our generous host's bandwidth. You may just want to re-examine why nobody chooses to respond rather than just assuming it is because your "evidence" is compelling people to remain silent.

If you can find where I said climate change was man made I would be interested to see it however reading comprehension usually escapes you in most exchanges on here so I won't hold my breath. Your complete lack of ability to see nuance or both sides of any issue leads one to speak to you in terms you have a chance of understanding. You do however have interesting ideas about hidden agendas. Your newsletter intrigues me and I wish to sunscribe.

Could be that nobody could be bothered to argue with the semi-coherent ranting of a socially inept message board poster.

I agree completely. I posted an article on here a while back on the case for nuclear power and it seems to me to be the best way of producing electricity.

Making Gore the issue is what is irrelevent, maybe you can post something on David Suzuki next.

Bush also sold his ranch when he left office so he did not have to play pretend cowboy for all the rubes.

WHY WON'T WOXOF TELL ME HOW MUCH HE IS DONATING TO THE CHOCK APPRECIATION FUND. I did not accuse you of anything, just stated that a committee on the UN does not automatically mean that what it wants will have any meaning, as someone on the constant search for the truth I would have thought you would have investigated all of the UN proclamations and and set your life accordingly for their effect. I will tell you what, if these things come to pass, including the EU somehow getting it's memeber countries to cough up the cash for these schemes, I will tattoo WOXOF =TRUTH on my forehead as a constant reminder of my doubting your diligence in truth hunting and the general truthiness and hunt of the truth that guides your truth loving way of life. I would dontae cash for China but the problem is that I would just want to donate again an hour later.

A report by one comitte of the UN said this. This does not extrapolate to the UN wanting us to pay trillions to the developing world. Your earlier prediction had nothing to do with nothing except for the tenuous logical leaps that you made. The world fund of Chockalicious admirers has deemed that all airline employees should pay a tax of one case of beer to hear my ramblings on the internet. WHY WON"T YOU TELL ME HOW MANY CASES OF BEER YOU ARE GOING TO GIVE ME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Woxof I offer this in sincerity. Dredging up an 9 month old thread as proof of some slight, perceived or otherwise, does not really serve you terribly well. Mitch does not need me to defend him but I don't think I would be wrong if I said that he is generally perceived to be a good guy around these parts. While most of us post behind anonymous handles, he, like a few others, post under their own names and have a generally open way of talking to people on here, even those they disagree with. On a side note it seems that most who post under their own name share the same traits. Your positioning of the need to know what a person is willing to send to China is a non sequiter. One can support the need to look after the climate change without having to give a thought to what an agency in the UN has said what we should do. I don't really know what you are trying to prove but it seems like you are off on a mission without a goal.

Well since you asked... Your inability to see anything except in black and white terms once again shows thru. There is a difference between thinking that something should be done to help the environment and sending money to China. Do you approach everything as an all or nothing proposition, hell, on this thread I said I thought Carbon credits were a scam yet nuance and seeing both sides of an issue seems to escape you. I thought Kyoto was a bad proposition from the beginning. Chockalicious...amused at the myopia.

I am going from memory here as it has been a few years since my History of Western Civ class at university and I don't want to satrt a googlefest of copying and pasting but... People were burned at the stake during the middle ages fopr denying the church and being cast out of the church had the same effect as being banned from a community. At a time when the church had an omnipotent role in society, you simply did not cross them for fear of reprisal. I apologize for poking fun at what I thought was a silly comparison as maybe you do feel persecuted.

I agree with everything you said up until here. What frustrates me somewhat about the Co2 debate is the politicizing of it and the atitude that "NO DAVID SUZOOOKEEE IS GONNA TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!!!!" There should be an honest debate about this however I think it gets couched within viewpoints that ultimately are more reflective of a person's personal politics rather than an honest question about the science. I am not saying this is always the case but it seems prevelent to me. I could not agree more that carbon credit trading is a scam, just wish I had thought of it. Of course comparing people who were burned at the stake for defying the church to those who question Co2 as a contributor to global climate change may be a bit of a stretch

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I think you may have missed the point Mitch was making.

As IFG pointed out far more eloquently than I, nobody is going to change anyone's mind. I do find your graph to have too small of a sample size, to me that is bad science.

I agree with your assessment Spinny. Great book. Chockalicious...agreeable in the max