Guest CarryOn Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 With Cupe we have Pam Sachs who is as useless as they come. She gave away our routes and jobs to Zip in exchange for the bonus/raise/and no-layoff clause that she was so proud of. We have 600 hundred flight attendants getting laid off while Zip is still hiring! You should have seen her ruffle her feathers at the road show. She didn't give a damn about the juniors and did not negotiate one improvement for them. Oh, she'll tell you that she got a no-layoff clause for them, yeah a lot of good that did! She is so out of touch with reality it isn't funny. She should just take her buyout and her husbands FSD money and quit now. We would all be better off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UpperDeck Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 It can be added that Ms.Sachs will now engage in a "suck and blow" exhibition. The AC Component argued before the CIRB that the CP FA "no lay-off" clause should be avoided because of force majeure -(She lost). In far more severe conditions, she is now compelled to argue that force majeure does NOT apply! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest stick man Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Do the laid off AC fa's have the right to bump down into Zip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CarryOn Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Yes, but not below the top 100 f/a's. That means Zip at the moment has approx.150 f/a's so only 50 positions can be bummped. I really don't think anyone will go anyway as they will have to take a $10-15/hr pay cut, move to YYC and risk not being recalled to AC as there has to be a vancancy. Also, if you don't speak fench(as many ex.cp don't) It states in our agreement that AC call offer positions based on lauguage requirments so I don't think they would call up an unilingual F/A anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin J Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Yes, with conditions attached but the conditions are not favourable to the mainline group. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CarryOn Posted March 23, 2003 Share Posted March 23, 2003 Yes, but 100 of Zip's f/a's must remain on the list at all times. They have approx.150 right now so that would mean a max of 50. I really don't think anyone will go though aas there are too many restrictions to come back. As well, they have to take a $10-15/hr pay cut, relocate to YYC and risk not being re-called to AC. We were really sold out by Pam Sachs on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homerun Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Tell us what you would have negotiated? No to Zip? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CarryOn Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 I should add that once you go to Zip you have to remain there for 3 years. In the mean time if your number is re-called to AC you are out of luck. After that you have to wait for a vancancy. What would I have negotiated? For our flight attendants to fly Zip just as the pilots are. Yes, for a lesser wage but more hrs thus making close to the same money. Once you give your flying away, it's gone for good, there's no getting it back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homerun Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Of course you realize that all of these things that you would have done differently would have led to a stalemate. But then again, as an original CP, you still had a contract with a superior scheduling system and a no-layoff clause and a higher rate of pay then your original AC counterparts. Of course there would still be no inntermingling either. But that expense doesn't come out of your pocket does it? And let the original AC take all the layoffs. Again. I can see why you would take that stance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CarryOn Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Am I missing something here? I am concerned for my new collegues at AC. I fear that the 600 getting laid off will never get re-called because of the way Milton is changing the company. I think Zip should have been staffed by us in order to save our jobs. Being ex.Cp has nothing to do with what's going on right now, I am talking about how we could have done better in our contract to ensure of future, not the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homerun Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 That's my point. You wouldn't have done better. The no-layoff clause was awarded by the arbitrator, otherwise it wouldn't be there. If you would have tried for more you would still be without a contract today. ( the original AC that is ). That was what most original CP were trying to achieve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest terrier Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 Poor old Zip FAs then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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