Guest neo Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Ladies and Gentlemen, Unfortunately, the owner of the Air Canada Pilots' Forum and I have been unable to reach an accord about posting on his forum. My posts will no longer appear there. There are a number of issues involved which will likely be of interest to other Air Canada pilots, so I'm using this space to air them. The first issue is that despite its name, the Air Canada Pilots' Forum is owned by one individual only. It is not a collective resource and it's rules and purpose are designed with the reality of that ownership in mind. When you post to that forum the proprietor claims ownership, and claims it strictly, over what is written. Copying anything, for any purpose, to anyone else, is strictly forbidden. This would, for example, even apply to a post that you put there yourself. It also means that, ironically, the owner can do anything he wants with your post. It becomes his property to do with as he wishes, and that presumably would include disclosure, copying, and even publishing. I have no reason to think that he would do so, but that is the reality. The second issue has to do with 'privacy'. There is much ado about this, but the bottom line is that any concept of privacy on that forum is an illusion. It's been common knowledge from the beginning that posts were copied and sent to recipients outside the forum, my own posts included. In addition, people talk about what's written there... "So and so said this. Joe Blow thinks this..." and so on. Hell, someone could phone the EVP for Flight Ops and read him a post word for word. Nothing in the rules addresses that at all, let alone prevents it. The bottom line is that you're only fooling yourself if you believe that your post is confidential. My personal rule is, don't post anything on the internet, anywhere on the internet, that you want to remain privileged and private. I believe that the vast majority of pilots would only copy something for a helpful purpose, not for malicious reasons. In my own case, I copied the body of a post, (not a whole web page with names, headers, etc) into a private email, to my best friend, in order to get answers for the poster and the forum in general. I'll leave it to yourself to decide how much of a privacy issue that is. It's true that there are those very few who would copy posts to others for an underhanded purpose. But those sort will always be with us and they are unstoppable in any case. I don't want to participate in anything which caters to their agenda by restricting how we can communicate. Which leads us to the third and most important issue. I participated in that forum to foster communication, discussion, and the exchange of ideas amongst all our pilots. I WANT the fullest and widest dissemination of those ideas. I WANT all our pilots to know what's being talked about. It should be easy for every pilot to have his or her say, and for that say to be available to every pilot we have. Unfortunately, the rules on that forum make that difficult and risky. There are, I'm guessing, thousands of AC pilots who do not view the Air Canada Pilots' Forum. I'd like the ideas and debates to reach them easily, without fear of breaking someone's rules. I wish to emphasize in the strongest possible way that I do not think that the owner of that forum is doing something wrong; only that my goals and philosophy are different and incompatible with his. I urge everyone to observe the rules of the AC Pilots' Forum: members are guests in an online space and should be respectful of that hospitality. I appreciated the opportunity to speak to others provided by that forum, and wish the owner well in his future endeavors. Best wishes to all, Richard Roskell "neo" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Richard, This is indeed an unfortunate development. Of course there were many issues you and I disagreed on, I always felt your heart was in the right place. Thanks for the explanation Richard, your perspective and your voice will be missed. Best wishes, dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Perhaps you should "cut and paste" this on the EZ Board Forum so those AC pilots will know how you feel. just a thought. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest RJP Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 He can't play in the sandbox anymore. I think he was voted off the island. Perhaps another member can do it for him, assuming that copying things into the forum is OK. Richard, would you mind if your post above is copied to the AC forum so others there can see it? RJP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest V1 Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 I sure wont miss him this guy just won't keep his mouth shut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragon Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 To each their own V1. Of course others will agree with you. Can you imagine how boring life would be if we all spoke the same, about the same things, same opinions, same bandwidth, air time, underwear?.. Have to give him credit that he didn't hide behind some anonymous alias like some chickenshat, like..... me for instance. Anyway, I think it is unfortunate and that’s my last word. Cheers dragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluemic Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Richard, I'm disappointed that you are removing yourself from 'our' forum. Your posts were always interesting, relevant and thought provoking. However, as you say, it IS Jim's vehicle, which he was kind enough to provide us with after our union executives decided to close the official one. And he has set rules, just as the administrators (past and present) of this board have. Presumably you have not yet pushed the envelope on this forum, but what will happen if you do? Will you then banish yourself from this one? Keep it up and you'll be reduced to posting on the board at ops...with tacks. We all accept rules in some form or another. Some are difficult to deal with, some quite simple. Jim's rules fall in the latter category. Hope you'll reconsider. Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest GDR Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 It's a shame to lose an articulate voice that presents a view point that is outside the mainstream. RR gives us lots to think about no matter how much we agree or disagree. Greg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cargo Agent Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Richard, Although at times we have disagreed, I have always enjoyed reading your postings here. I find concerning that you feel that you can't offer your opinion on the other forum. I get the sense that you have been muzzled. This along with the closure of the ACPA forum and the uproar that ensued here when the company demands to ACPA were posted leads me to believe that the many in the pilot group are not concerned with openness and sharing of idea's and information. Given the current need of all AC unions to work together to help bring the company back this is alarming. Best wishes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azure Posted March 24, 2003 Share Posted March 24, 2003 Saddam has a place for you V1. Think about that for a second. Neo has the right to speak as an AC pilot as much as you do as an AC pilot. Richard doesn't hide bedind a login name, never has as far back as I can remember. So V1, if you have a problem with Neo, put your name after your remarks, then we may take what you have to say somewhat important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest propwash Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 What's the address of this EZboard.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kip Powick Posted March 25, 2003 Share Posted March 25, 2003 www.globalfusion.com click on Forums and you will find the forum there with all the directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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