Seeker Posted August 2 Share Posted August 2 Strike vote open. Vote closes 22 Aug. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbofan Posted August 12 Share Posted August 12 https://www.travelweek.ca/news/air-canada-pilots-could-strike-as-early-as-sept-17/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbofan Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/bakx-alpa-air-canada-mec-pilots-1.7293270 Air Canada pilots prepare for strike amid ongoing labour dispute Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 I wonder if this will also impact all of the regional routes also? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbofan Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 This won't impact anything run by Jazz or PAL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 1 hour ago, Turbofan said: This won't impact anything run by Jazz or PAL Thanks but I am surprised as Jazz Pilots are also members of ALPA and PAL pilots are still in the middle of contract negotiations or so the followng artilce states. PAL pilots ask for feds to step in to help negotiate new contract | CBC News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbofan Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 It doesn’t work that way in Canada. Different bargaining units can not participate in the strike action of another group even if in the same union. If the WestJet pilots had gone on strike the Encore pilots would have been obligated to go to work. Same if the Encore pilots had gone on strike. The WestJet pilots would have been obligated to go to work. only the Air Canada mainline pilot bargaining unit will be in a strike position in September 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 But, realistically; if AC Mainline shuts down, what will be the need for many of the scheduled Jazz flights? Or does the CPA pay Jazz to operate the flights anyway? Even when near empty? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Posted August 14 Share Posted August 14 39 minutes ago, conehead said: But, realistically; if AC Mainline shuts down, what will be the need for many of the scheduled Jazz flights? Or does the CPA pay Jazz to operate the flights anyway? Even when near empty? No details avail but .....the Current Capacity Agreement runs into 2025 https://chorusaviation.com/chorus-aviation-finalizes-revisions-to-the-capacity-purchase-agreement-with-air-canada/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted August 15 Author Share Posted August 15 19 hours ago, conehead said: But, realistically; if AC Mainline shuts down, what will be the need for many of the scheduled Jazz flights? Or does the CPA pay Jazz to operate the flights anyway? Even when near empty? I would expect Jazz to be tasked with running as many mainline routes as possible - Rapidairs, etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
conehead Posted August 15 Share Posted August 15 1 hour ago, Seeker said: I would expect Jazz to be tasked with running as many mainline routes as possible - Rapidairs, etc. That makes sense. Embraer 170s, CRJ900s, Q400s... they're gonna be busy! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbofan Posted August 19 Share Posted August 19 If anyone is interested. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagger Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 I'd watch how the government responds to this week's rail strike/lockout possibility. The rails are more important economically than the largest airline, but politically, an AC strike is just as significant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbofan Posted August 20 Share Posted August 20 One can not have a constitutional right to strike and at the same time fearful the government will simply take that right with a flash of a hand. That would mean the right doesn’t actually exist. Notice there is no back to work legislation. Harper was prepping back to work legislation in advance in 2010-11. Railways as well. It takes days to pass. It’s too late to use back to work legislation, to prevent a strike. The essential service question is settled. If the workers decide to strike. They will be on strike. Another Vancouver Port Authority strike. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2023_BC_Port_strike This was bigger as well. No government intervention at all. CIRB being very consistent with stepping in if you break the rules. This strike eventually had CIRB intervention over giving 72 hours notice. There was another Port Strike the CIRB intervened in where the union had their strike vote deemed illegal. Government has been consistently hands off. CIRB consistently hands off unless you break the rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Specs Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 13 hours ago, Turbofan said: One can not have a constitutional right to strike and at the same time fearful the government will simply take that right with a flash of a hand. That would mean the right doesn’t actually exist. Couldn't the Nothwithstanding Clause nullify it for a few years? Governments certainly seem to getting more amendable to using it in labour disputes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbofan Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Yes the notwithstanding clause can override a constitutional right. This government was very critical of Doug Ford when he attempted and then backed down for that with the Ontario teachers. Simply put. Without the right to strike negotiations are tilted in favour of the employer. In fact you simply won't get negotiations. All you get is edicts and management walks away. What we are seeing is cooperations crying the blues as their advantage is taken and they are forced kicking and screaming into a level playing field. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seeker Posted August 21 Author Share Posted August 21 https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/video/c2981492-looming-air-canada-pilots-strike?playlistId=1.7008855&__vfz=medium%3Dsharebar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverminds Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 All the news articles I've seen regarding these negotiations mention that the AC pilot union, in addition to compensation, is trying to fix their pension. Does this mean they are trying to reinstate defined benefit pensions for all their pilots? I realize that new hires currently go onto the hybrid pension, which I thought, if invested wisely could actually be of greater value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deicer Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 If it were better, why aren't the Executive on the new plans instead of staying with the DB? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverminds Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 I never said they were better, I said they “could be” more valuable if markets co-operated. Of course a DB plan is better in that it’s guaranteed income at retirement even if it is slightly less than a well managed hybrid. . However, the hybrid is better than anything being currently offered in the private sector(currently DC plans). No one in the private sector is offering DB plans to new hires. To get DB reinstated for new hires and all those hired since 2015 seems like a monumental ask Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbofan Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 I don’t believe they are trying to bring back the DB for everyone. The statements have been pensions of equal value for everyone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neverminds Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 If that’s not DB for all then what is it to make it equal for everyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbofan Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 27 minutes ago, neverminds said: If that’s not DB for all then what is it to make it equal for everyone? The benefits value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vsplat Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 The comment that a non-DB pension 'could be better' under the right circumstances triggers me - not your fault, but history. Air Canada pilots have given away real, existing benefits for theoretical gains so often and so deeply that after awhile it just became black comedy. It was like a shell game with two shells and one side just could not keep track of where the pea was. So we have this ridiculous situation of an employee group with divided pension interests and individuals paying a portion of their salary to the company for pension payments, while the company is on a funding holiday. Where is that money going? If I had a friend giving stuff away at the rate ACPA had, there would have been an intervention and maybe talk of rehab a long time ago. But the reality is what it is. No matter what the union gains on this round, the transfer of wealth is money lost forever. All just IMO Vs 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbofan Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 Strike vote results. 98% in favour. 98% participation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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