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This is the headline:

6-Year-Old Shoots Teacher at Virginia Elementary School, Police Say

A teacher at Richneck Elementary School in Newport News has “life-threatening injuries” after being shot by one of her students, the authorities said.

 

Just so the Trudeau Faction can not use this story to support their new / proposed gun laws for Canada:

1. If I had guns here in Canada and I am not saying I do or don't

2. The guns would have been stored in a gunsafe with keyed trigger guards and of course behind a padlocked door.

3. The guns, if so outfitted would have their bolts removed

3A all keys would have to be stored in separate areas.

4. Any ammunition for the guns would have been stored in a separate locked/keyed container.

Access to the guns and the ammunition would have required at least 15 or so mins ...

- Keys for the gunsafe would have had to be located,

- once open the keys for the trigger guards would have had to be found

- any bolts etc would have had to be inserted into the weapons

- the ammunition would have to have been located, the container would have have to be unlocked and then the ammunition would have had to be inserted into the guns.

Not exactly a lickley, split exercise ...... Of course that is under our present Canadian Laws. 

Sadly not so in the exited states but .......... 

 

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Competitive shooters fear ban will end their sport

SWEEPING RESTRICTIONS CAST UNCERTAINTY ON SPORTS, GUN RANGES, RETAIL STORES

  • Calgary Herald
  • 17 Jan 2023
  • BRYAN PASSIFIUME in Ottawa
img?regionKey=XotVzvrExdF0FBuvvc1gXw%3d%3dKIM BRITTON Canadian elite-level pistol shooter Kim Britton, who began the sport at age 13, has competed in ranked tournaments across the globe, representing Canada at the 2018 ISSF (International Shooting Sport Federation) World Cup in South Korea and the 2019 Pan-am Games in Lima, Peru.

Deep into preparations to compete next month in the Netherlands, Canadian elite-level pistol shooter Kim Britton can't help but worry for the future.

“I envision a point where to me, even though I love it, it'll be too challenging to pursue,” she said.

Since the introduction of the Liberal government's contentious gun control legislation Bill C-21, Canadian sport shooters, coaches and advocates have been raising the alarm that Ottawa's sweeping handgun ban will be the death knell for shooting sports in Canada.

“My biggest concern for the future is `will my range be open?' ” Britton said, speaking to the National Post from her home in Calgary.

As the 2023 competitive shooting season begins, shooters are finding themselves burdened with more questions than answers on how the impending legislation will impact their sport.

Sweeping in both its scope and controversy, Bill C-21 will do everything from outlaw airsoft guns to prohibit many currently legal rifles used by hunters and recreational shooters across Canada.

In October, the government introduced an order-in-council enacting a national freeze on the sale, purchase or transfer of handguns — a measure Canadian gun retailers said took them by surprise, and wiped out about 30 per cent of their business overnight.

The move was ostensibly made to combat gun crime, despite Canadian police chiefs, statistics and countless quantitative metrics pointing to the real problem: prohibited handguns being smuggled into Canada from the United States.

While both the freeze and Bill C-21 contain language specifically exempting Olympic and paralympic-level athletes and coaches, Britton says finding retailers willing to supply them is challenging.

“Parts supply is pretty reasonable in Canada right now, but with new pistols, there's almost nothing available,” she said.

“Nothing is available to buy in Canada. If I could find something to buy from another competitor, how long is it going to take me to transfer it, and what hoops do I have to jump through to do that?”

Britton said she's been waiting on Canada's chief firearms officer to authorize a transfer since mid-september, and foresees nothing but long delays for any competitive shooter looking to purchase equipment from outside of the country.

“I'm coming up against dealers who aren't interested right now in even trying to do that — some are telling me it's not even possible to import handguns right now,” she said.

“There's a lot of mixed messages.”

Britton has competed in elite-level competitions for the past seven years.

She began shooting at 13 and fell in love with the sport.

Returning to competition in 2016 after taking a break for university, she's competed in ranked tournaments across the globe, representing Canada at the 2018 ISSF (International Shooting Sport Federation) World Cup in South Korea, and the 2019 Pan-am games in Lima, Peru.

Many in the sport fear Bill C-21 will spell the end of competitive shooting in Canada.

Sandra Honour, president of the Shooting Federation of Canada — this country's sanctioning body for worldclass target shooting sports — described the exemption for Olympic-level shooters as a pointless gesture that protects current athletes but prevents anybody else from achieving that level.

“You can't expect people to start velodrome cycling when they don't know how to ride a bike,” Honour said.

“To be an athlete at a world-class level is a big commitment — no different than any other sport that requires hours of training and giving up parts of your life, being able to afford to travel and take the time to travel to world cup events and Olympic qualifiers.”

Shooting, she said, is a fun and challenging sport that offers far fewer barriers to access than most other elitelevel events.

With that pool of potential talent legally barred from competing, Honour fears the legislation will spell the end of competitive shooting in Canada. “It was already very difficult to bring people into the pistol shooting sports,” she said.

“They already needed to get a restricted PAL (Possession and Acquisition Licence) and most clubs to allow them to shoot at a facility required them to go through additional safety training and ensure all of the safety procedures of each club are maintained.”

In a June 2022 letter to SFC membership, Honour said C-21 could “strangle” large portions of their sport — and lamented not being consulted by the government.

“It is a shame that the SFC was not consulted to allow the lawmakers to understand the negative impact the limited exceptions to handgun purchases will have on our Olympic hopefuls,” she wrote.

Balancing sports with public safety is part of the mandate of the house public safety committee, who have spent the last few months examining and debating the bill.

Committee member and member of Parliament Alistair Mcgregor told the National Post that balance is crucial.

“The question was posed to our committee, how do you become an Olympic-level shooter?” he said.

“It's years and years of practice, often in other shooting disciplines — you can't just name yourself as an (Olympian) and be exempted, you have to qualify for that level.”

A statement from the office of Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino said the minister has “engaged extensively with the Sport Shooting Federation of Canada and elite sport shooters across the country” to listen to their concerns.

“Given the importance of elite sport shooting, Canada's national handgun freeze includes an exemption that allows elite shooters to continue practising their sport,” said spokesperson Alexander Cohen.

“Furthermore, we are working closely with associations, industry and other groups to ensure that there are pathways for future generations to take up elite sport shooting and practise it for years to come.”

Britton fears for the future of her sport.

“How do people get into the sport right now? Do they have to start by shooting air pistol ... and then be recommended for moving to .22? Who is able to make those recommendations? What is the path?” she asked. “There are so many questions right now, and everyone is scrambling to interpret. It's a mess.”

THERE ARE SO MANY QUESTIONS RIGHT NOW, AND EVERYONE IS SCRAMBLING TO INTERPRET. IT'S A MESS.

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Does this mean that the Liberals actually listen to the people or maybe a sign that we may see a federal election in 2023?

 

Liberals withdraw controversial amendment to guns bill

Updated Feb. 3, 2023 8:41 a.m. MST
Published Feb. 3, 2023 8:31 a.m. MST
 

The federal Liberals are withdrawing a controversial amendment to their guns bill that would have added many popular hunting rifles and shotguns to a list of prohibited firearms in Canada.

The amendment has caused an outcry in many parts of rural Canada, and the Liberals have been under pressure from many of their own MPs to change or withdraw the new definition of weapons being banned.

Liberals withdraw guns bill amendment | CTV News

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Once again the Liberals take on the RCMP. Less than lethal rounds were put in place to perhaps lessen the number of deaths caused by police bullets but now the Liberals want to stop the use of such items and that can only increase the number of deaths.

Federal government asking RCMP to ban use of sponge rounds, CS gas for crowd control

Story by The Canadian Press  4h ago
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OTTAWA — The federal government says it wants the RCMP to ban the use of two crowd-control tools that forces across the country say they have in their arsenals: sponge rounds and CS gas. 

Public Safety Minister Marco Mendicino's office confirmed that it wants the measures outlawed, even as the RCMP declines to say whether or not it will comply with that instruction. 

 

The decision to restrict even the use of "less lethal" alternatives to crowd-control tools such as rubber bullets and stronger forms of tear gas has some critics questioning whether the federal Liberals are playing politics with policing.

"Removing less lethal options from our members' available options raises real concerns for public and police officer safety," National Police Union president Brian Sauvé said in a statement.

The confirmation that the federal Liberals want the tools banned comes after The Canadian Press raised questions about a mandate letter Mendicino gave to RCMP Commissioner Brenda Lucki last year. 

The letter directed the force to stop using three use-of-force methods: the "carotid control" neck hold, rubber bullets and tear gas. 

The RCMP made headlines recently when it confirmed that it still allows officers to use the controversial neck hold despite those instructions and the fact that other police forces have stopped using it. 

The force does not use rubber bullets, or the more-dangerous chemical compounds referred to as tear gas, which cause irritation to a person's eyes and mucous membranes. 

But the minister's office is now clarifying that it wants similar tools banned, too.

Mendicino's office said in a statement that it used the terms "rubber bullets" and "tear gas" in the mandate letter "as they are general language understood by most Canadians."

It confirmed that it considers the milder CS gas and extended-range impact weapons, which fire foam rounds, to be the operational terms for such tools — meaning that it does want the RCMP to stop using them. 

That came as news to Sauvé and other experts, who say that the decision is a departure from existing policy, since police forces across the country and around the world have such crowd-control methods in their arsenals. 

The RCMP said in a statement that it is "working with partners, stakeholders and bargaining agents" to review the mandate letter — and gave no indication that it intends to follow Mendicino's orders.

"The RCMP continues to report publicly on our use of police intervention options, including the carotid control technique and the 40 millimetre extended range impact weapon that fires sponge-tipped rounds, not rubber bullets, as well as the use of specialty munitions," it said. 

It added that its extended range weapons, in use since 2017, "provide an officer with more time and distance from an individual being responded to in order to better enable de-escalation and communication, when tactically feasible."

Public disclosures show that the RCMP used CS gas 102 times in 2021, and it used extended-range impact weapons 86 times. 

The public order units of major municipal police forces, including in Vancouver and Toronto, confirmed to The Canadian Press that they also have access to the tools. 

In an interview, Western University criminologist Michael Arntfield argued that CS gas is "entirely different" than the compounds typically referred to as tear gas, and sponge rounds are different than rubber bullets.

He said tear and rubber bullets are "very inflammatory terms," bringing up images of coups d'état, or of police attacking people who had been marching for Black civil rights outside Selma, Ala., in 1965.

"I'm not sure why those terms would be used if the government was serious about looking at less lethal alternatives."

Arntfield said he is "genuinely confounded" about why Mendicino would "tack on" a request for the RCMP to stop using police tools that are commonplace across Canada in asking them to stop using the neck hold.

"It looks like political theatre and has absolutely nothing to do with law enforcement operations."

On Parliament Hill this week, Mendicino said broadly that there is a need to reform law enforcement institutions.   

"We are closely consulting and collaborating with law enforcement and experts in the area to take an evidence-based approach so that we can keep our community safe, while at the same time making sure that police have the tools they need when it comes to de-escalating," Mendicino said.

But he would not answer questions about why the RCMP seems to be defying his instructions, walking away from reporters when the question was posed. 

El Jones, an activist who helped lead a study on defunding police forces, says police are "an unaccountable force in Canada."

The fact that the RCMP is not following political direction shows that impunity, she argued. "I think the police are very much signalling to us, no one can tell us what to do."

The issue of which tools are and aren't available to police is receiving heightened attention following the killing of Tyre Nichols, who died after being beaten by police in Memphis, Tenn., in early January.

The "carotid control" neck hold, which the RCMP reported it used 14 times in 2021, had been widely condemned after George Floyd was killed when a Minneapolis police officer knelt on his neck for more than nine minutes.

Jones said police are not transparent enough about their policies or how much training they provide for officers when it comes to the use of force. 

"We don't have good use-of-force study in Canada," she said. "The picture of use of force in Canada, period, by the police, is just not very clear."

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Feb. 4, 2023. 

David Fraser, The Canadian Press

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