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On 9/6/2021 at 3:09 PM, deicer said:

As long as you are comparing apples to apples.

Historically all parties have spent like drunken sailors.

My point is that when it comes to the issues in this election, only one party is being up front with what it will actually cost while the others are just saying 'trust us'.

 

 

Who is being up front. The Liberals who fraudulently promised a modest 10 billion dollar deficit when first elected and turned it into a 30 billion dollar one prior to covid.

He is a fraud. He said he would have a clean government and we had the SNC-Lavelin affair. He said he we have to believe when a women says she has been harassed and then we found out that he had done exactly that with a reporter in B.C. who wrote about it in an article at the time that faded into history until it was rediscovered and Trudeau denied it all. Then he ruined the career of the female indigenous M who exposed his corruption. He told us the importance of not being or acting in a racist manner and then we saw the blackface videos and pictures. 

The man and his supporters are frauds. Why do people still support him? Because either they are frauds, naive fools, or parasites for government money and willing to look the other way, even if they don't like his policies. Even though he was responsible for so much death, health damage and economic damage with the third wave because we had so little vaccine after he foolishly went along with China, the country that had been trying to punish us for the two previous years. Meanwhile, we were behind many others for vaccine because Trudeau had more important things to do like schmoozing third world dictators with taxpayers money to get a feel good UN seat.

He is the worst PM ever.

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The Trudeau record:

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In June 2019, Trudeau’s then environment minister, Catherine McKenna dismissed a report by the Parliamentary Budget Officer saying that to meet Canada’s Paris Accord targets that the price on carbon would need to rise to $102 a tonne.

McKenna said at the time that the government has, “no plan to increase the price post 2022. For Conservatives to suggest otherwise is simply false and misleading.”

“The plan is not to increase the price post-2022,” McKenna said in July 2019.

“Our position has not changed,” McKenna said a month later in August.

And then, just after the last election…..

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Trudeau announced on Friday his government will raise the carbon tax from the current level of $30 a tonne to $170 a tonne by 2030 with increases each and every year. Depending on whose price calculations you believe, that is between 36 and 40 cents to a litre of gas, never mind all the other price increases we will see.

Funny thing though, this is exactly what the Liberals said they would not do ahead of the last election.

To me, it’s not about comparing  platforms……look at Trudeau’s record….his platform doesn’t mean a thing when he doesn’t follow through….remember Sunny ways, clear and transparent government (cabinet confidence preventing investigations into SNC and WE charity) promises to balance the budget etc, etc. And just what the hell is the great reset for a post national state?

And how will this country absorb 1000+ immigrants a week for the next years with the housing crisis and job market?

We are heading into dangerous territory if Trudeau retains power in government.

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When you go to the polls, also remember that O'toole was part of the government that sold out Canada to China for 31 years.

https://canucklaw.ca/a-look-back-at-fipa-and-selling-sovereignty-to-china/

A Look Back At FIPA, And Selling Sovereignty To China

 

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Erin O’Toole was a Parliamentary Secretary to the Minister of Trade in 2014. It’s clear from these quotes that he doesn’t see a problem selling out Canada’s sovereignty to China with the Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA). In fact, he glosses over just how bad this arrangement really is. All of the Conservatives did.

https://openparliament.ca/debates/2014/9/22/erin-otoole-1/

 

1. Offshoring, Globalization, Free Trade

The other posts on outsourcing/offshoring are available here. It focuses on the hidden costs and trade offs society as a whole has to make. Contrary to what many politicians and figures in the media claim, there are always costs to these kinds of agreement. These include: (a) job losses; (b) wages being driven down; (c) undercutting of local companies; (d) legal action by foreign entities; (e) industries being outsourced; (f) losses to communities when major employers leave; and (g) loss of sovereignty to foreign corporations and governments. Don’t believe the lies that these agreements are overwhelmingly beneficial to all.

 

2. Important Links

(1) https://openparliament.ca/debates/
(2) https://openparliament.ca/debates/2014/9/22/erin-otoole-1/
(3) https://archive.is/p2fkV
(4) WayBack Machine Archive
(5) https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/fipa-agreement-with-china-what-s-really-in-it-for-canada-1.2770159
(6) https://archive.is/C6Xvi
(7) https://www.international.gc.ca/trade-commerce/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/china-chine/fipa-apie/index.aspx?lang=eng&_ga=2.159712829.1468063288.1601709213-445290716.1601709213
(8) https://archive.is/wC5ed
(9) WayBack Machine Archive

 

3. Other “Conservatives” Support FIPA

 

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https://openparliament.ca/debates/2013/4/18/ron-cannan-3/

 

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https://openparliament.ca/debates/2013/4/18/rob-merrifield-3/

 

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https://openparliament.ca/debates/2014/6/4/lois-brown-7/

 

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https://openparliament.ca/debates/2013/4/18/james-moore-3/

 

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https://openparliament.ca/debates/2013/4/18/michael-chong-1/

 

4. Quotes From FIPA Agreement

 

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Article 5
Most-Favoured-Nation Treatment
1. Each Contracting Party shall accord to investors of the other Contracting Party treatment no less favourable than that it accords, in like circumstances, to investors of a non-Contracting Party with respect to the establishment, acquisition, expansion, management, conduct, operation and sale or other disposition of investments in its territory.
2. Each Contracting Party shall accord to covered investments treatment no less favourable than that it accords, in like circumstances, to investments of investors of a non-Contracting Party with respect to the establishment, acquisition, expansion, management, conduct, operation and sale or other disposition of investments in its territory.
3. For greater certainty, the “treatment” referred to in paragraphs 1 and 2 of this Article does not encompass the dispute resolution mechanisms, such as those in Part C, in other international investment treaties and other trade agreements.

Article 6
National Treatment
1. Each Contracting Party shall accord to investors of the other Contracting Party treatment no less favourable than that it accords, in like circumstances, to its own investors with respect to the expansion, management, conduct, operation and sale or other disposition of investments in its territory.
2. Each Contracting Party shall accord to covered investments treatment no less favourable than that it accords, in like circumstances, to investments of its own investors with respect to the expansion, management, conduct, operation and sale or other disposition of investments in its territory.
3. The concept of “expansion” in this Article applies only with respect to sectors not subject to a prior approval process under the relevant sectoral guidelines and applicable laws, regulations and rules in force at the time of expansion. The expansion may be subject to prescribed formalities and other information requirements.

Article 11
Compensation for Losses
Investors of one Contracting Party who suffer losses in respect of covered investments owing to war, a state of national emergency, insurrection, riot or other similar events, shall be accorded treatment by the other Contracting Party, in respect of restitution, indemnification, compensation or other settlement, no less favourable than it accords in like circumstances, to its own investors or to investors of any third State.

Local laws — environmental protection, for example — which are seen as harmful and detrimental to business interests will be considered grounds to submit a claim for compensation.

Article 23
Consent to Arbitration
Each Contracting Party consents to the submission of a claim to arbitration in accordance with the procedures set out in this Agreement. Failure to meet any of the conditions precedent provided for in Article 21 shall nullify that consent.

Disputes won’t be heard in any open or transparent way. Instead arbitration that is largely secret will be resolving disputes.

Article 35
Entry into Force and Termination
1. The Contracting Parties shall notify each other through diplomatic channels that they have completed the internal legal procedures for the entry into force of this Agreement. This Agreement shall enter into force on the first day of the following month after the second notification is received, and shall remain in force for a period of at least fifteen years.
2. After the expiration of the initial fifteen-year period, this Agreement shall continue to be in force. Either Contracting Party may at any time thereafter terminate this Agreement. The termination will be effective one year after notice of termination has been received by the other Contracting Party.
3. With respect to investments made prior to the date of termination of this Agreement, Articles 1 to 34, as well as paragraph 4 of this Article, shall continue to be effective for an additional fifteen-year period from the date of termination.
4. The Annexes and footnotes to this Agreement constitute integral parts of this Agreement.

So the agreement itself lasts for at least 15 years. Then, we are required to give a 1 year notice, at which time, Articles 1 to 34 will lapse in another 15 years. All in all, this agreement will then last a minimum of 31 years. This is an entire generation away from being able to really terminate.

 

5. What Is Canada Getting With FIPA?

 

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The secrecy shrouding the much-delayed Foreign Investment Promotion and Protection Agreement (FIPA) with China makes it hard for experts, let alone average Canadians, to figure out what benefits this country will see from the deal.

-Canadian governments are locked in for a generation. If Canada finds the deal unsatisfactory, it cannot be cancelled completely for 31 years.
-China benefits much more than Canada, because of a clause allowing existing restrictions in each country to stay in place. Chinese companies get to play on a relatively level field in Canada, while maintaining wildly arbitrary practices and rules for Canadian companies in China.
-Chinese companies will be able to seek redress against any laws passed by any level of government in Canada which threaten their profits. Australia has decided not to enter FIPA agreements specifically because they allow powerful corporations to challenge legislation on social, environmental and economic issues. —-Chinese companies investing heavily in Canadian energy will be able seek billions in compensation if their projects are hampered by provincial laws on issues such as environmental concerns or First Nations rights, for example.
-Cases will be decided by a panel of professional arbitrators, and may be kept secret at the discretion of the sued party. This extraordinary provision reflects an aversion to transparency and public debate common to the Harper cabinet and the Chinese politburo.
Differences between FIPA and the North American Free Trade Agreement may offer intriguing loopholes for American lawyers to argue for equal treatment under the principle of Most Favoured Nation.

The CBC covered the story and raised several legitimate concerns over this deal. Secrecy aside, it’s difficult to see what (if any) real benefits Canada gets from it.

 

6. China Buying Up Assets Across Canada

This is too long to do justice here, but Canadian laws make it easy for foreigners to buy property in Canada. This applies regardless of whether they live here, or even intend to. The Chinese in particular are taking full advantage of that.

 

7. Putting China Over Canadians

 

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This isn’t really related to FIPA, but still good to point out: even so-called “populists” can be globalist shills. Here is no different. How does making it easier to import cheap Chinese products keep industries and jobs in Canada? However, China has more freedom and less government in recent decades.

 

8. CANZUK To Counter Chinese Influence?

 

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CPC Policy Declaration August 2018

Have to love the mental gymnastics here. CPC Leader Erin O’Toole spoke in support of CANZUK in the 2018 Policy Convention. He explicitly stated he wanted to “let more and more countries” into the agreement. Fast forward 2 years, and he wants to accelerate CANZUK to stop the growing Chinese influence ….. that he supported in 2014. Way to be consistent.

 

9. Can O’Toole/CPC Actually Be Trusted?

 

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How can anyone trust Erin O’Toole?
(a) He has no qualms about selling sovereignty to China.
(b) He supports CANZUK — and expanding the zone.
(c) CANZUK is now just a way to counter China, who is still here.
(d) Heenan Blaikie was Trudeau Sr.’s and Chretien’s old law firm.
(e) He is an ex-Facebook lobbyist.
(f) He openly shills for foreign powers like Israel.
(g) He supports even more draconian measures than Trudeau.
(h) His Chief of Staff is a Director at Sick Kids Hospital.
(i) CPC supports the temp-to-PR pipeline.

 

10. Objection To FIPA Pushed, No Real Debate

 

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See here, here and here for original source material. There were people who opposed the sellout by the Conservatives.

 

11. Conservative Politicians Are Globalists

One would think that “conserving” in the sense of trade meant protecting local industries, and protecting communities from having major employers shipped overseas.

However, that is not the case. What passes for conservatism is really just “corporatism”, putting those interests over that of the local population. There are far more important things than stock prices and overall profits.

Ask them to “conserve” the makeup, culture, language, traditions, or heritage of a country, and that’s being racist. After all, Canada is make up of abstract values (that few can agree on), not any sort of identity.

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24 minutes ago, deicer said:

When you go to the polls, also remember that O'toole was part of the government that sold out Canada to China for 31 years.

 

Unfortunately, de-icer is just a fraud, likely because he wants his money from the government(you) to continue unabated.

O'Toole is the only talking about standing up to China while Trudeau refuses to call out the genocide over there and accuses us of genocide. Think about the opportunities for your unborn kids that won't exist because of the new policies of the woke crowd.

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31 minutes ago, deicer said:

When you go to the polls, also remember that O'toole was part of the government that sold out Canada to China for 31 years.

 

Don't believe the frauds. The last conservative government ended 6 years ago. O'Toole was part of the government that sold out Canada to China for 31 years. that means he was in government 37 years ago. Which is probably before he even joined the military. 

Ignore the frauds like de-icer and vote out the worst government we have ever had. The coalition of Liberals and NDP.

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1 hour ago, Junior said:

Don't believe the frauds. The last conservative government ended 6 years ago. O'Toole was part of the government that sold out Canada to China for 31 years. that means he was in government 37 years ago. Which is probably before he even joined the military. 

Ignore the frauds like de-icer and vote out the worst government we have ever had. The coalition of Liberals and NDP.

Welcome back WOXOF/ALKAID/JDUNKIN!  Didn't take you long.

I didn't make this up.  If you think that the deal was 37 years ago, you are only showing how misinformed you really are.

It's in the article, and as well, you only have to google FIPA to confirm that Harper ratified the deal in 2014 while O'toole was part of his government.

I'm not making this up, you just aren't believing facts.

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6 hours ago, deicer said:

Welcome back WOXOF/ALKAID/JDUNKIN!  Didn't take you long.

I didn't make this up.  If you think that the deal was 37 years ago, you are only showing how misinformed you really are.

It's in the article, and as well, you only have to google FIPA to confirm that Harper ratified the deal in 2014 while O'toole was part of his government.

I'm not making this up, you just aren't believing facts.

Whatever,

People are not interested in whatever a FIPA is. It is just another distraction from a fraud accusing someone of being for China when Trudeau has been loving them for most of his time in office. Vote out the frauds that are saddling you and tour kids with high taxes forever. People like deicer want to live off your money.

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25 minutes ago, deicer said:

Harper the fraud was voted out.  Now we are left to live with his debacle.

In actual fact, any debacle we are being left with has been delivered by a rich, spoiled, trust fund baby who has added $600,000,000 for a spurious, ego driven election during a world wide pandemic.

I am however certain that Justin will find some way to blame that on PM Harper who last held power over 6 years ago.

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One only has to remember that O'toole was part of the government that tried to disassemble the Canadian framework.

Taking from the poor to give to the rich...

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/true-north/2015/oct/14/canadas-real-barbarism-stephen-harpers-dismembering-of-the-country

Canada's real barbarism? Stephen Harper’s dismembering of the country

The Conservative government is wiping away everything vital about Canada’s society and environment. They must be voted out

The threat of barbarism is grave, insidious and far-reaching. Those responsible are a small group nurturing a foreign-inspired ideology on Canadian soil. They pore over rigid doctrines in cloistered rooms. They scheme to impose their values, attractive only to a minority, on the majority of Canadian people. They have carefully veiled their true selves but their agenda is unmistakable: to erase the country’s achievements in security and fairness.

This threat comes not from a handful of niqab-wearing Muslim women. It has always come from Canada’s Conservative party. Their imported neoconservative ideology, baked into homegrown resentment toward the federal state, has never been palatable to a country with progressive ambitions. They have risen to power through other means: money and economic clout; a deep network of right-wing media and think tanks that have shaped policy options; and an unreformed electoral system that has allowed a party with only a quarter of the electorate’s support to rule unhindered.

 

 

They have not been one for grand gestures. Their approach has been a steady accumulation of small, methodical steps, animated by a long-term vision. That vision is to extinguish Stephen Harper’s perception of Canada: “a northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term,” as he once described the country. That those Scandinavian governments are the world’s best in providing free healthcare and education, redistributing wealth, and guaranteeing political expression: this to Harper is cause for loathing.

Small gestures, yet an inexorable dismantling of the finest part of Canada’s governing tradition: the collective project to improve people’s lives and protect our environment. Budgets rammed through parliament, directives slipped in through the bureaucracy, cuts applied carefully, widely, incisively. It has amounted to an unprecedented assault on all that is most distinct and valuable about this country: universal healthcare, a natural world of varied beauty, our public broadcaster, the culture and land protection of Indigenous peoples, and a spirit of openness and tolerance unmatched in the world.

Harper’s greatest success in hampering the state from serving Canadians has been to strip it of its most important resource: taxes. Continuing a Liberal legacy, Harper’s cuts to taxes – GST, corporate and personal – have enriched corporations and denied the state a stunning $45 billion a year in revenue. This has deliberately starved the ability of this government – and of future ones – to pay for public services and address inequality or climate change. Such policies have reduced the country to depression-era divisions: Canada’s wealthiest 86 people now own as much as the 11.4 million poorest.

What welfare Harper has denied Canadians he has not spared the tar sands barons. His great fixation has been to elevate them to unparalleled influence, turning the state into a servant of their industry: granting them billions in handouts, the chance to write legislation, and the use of state officials as spies, spin-masters and overseas salesmen. This new character of the state has disfigured the environment beyond just the climate-torching tar sands: from the razing of the boreal forest to the opening of our water systems to privatization, from the extension of oil prospecting in the Arctic to the refusal to list our most endangered species.

Applying the state to the most destructive ends, Harper has also ensured it will vacate the most essential. The Conservatives’ predecessor – the Reform party – once made the mistake of announcing their desire to privatize healthcare, the social program most valued by Canadians. Though his aim is the same, Harper has been wiser. No announcements, but cuts to healthcare have still been set in motion: a crippling $36 billion dollars over the next decade. The effect is obvious: as public medicare crumbles and complaints grow, profit-gouging companies will be waiting in the wings.

 

The strangling of the state has had many victims, but none more than women. In Harper’s Canada, half of the population is now treated like a special-interest group. He has shuttered women’s centres that aimed to advance economic equality and eliminate gender violence. Deployed parliamentarians to try to reintroduce a debate over the right to abortion. And used tax policies to encourage one-income families – all the better to keep women tethered to the home. Adding a final insult to injury, Harper has sought to win re-election by stoking fears about Muslim women who choose to wear head-scarves at citizenship ceremonies, supposedly out of concern for their liberation. Racist pandering has scarcely been more shameless.

Certain other images of the Harper era are impossible to forget. A mountain of irreplaceable books from a scientific library discarded in a dumpster. Harper pantomiming empathy for a Syrian child washed onto Turkey’s shores, followed by news that he personally blocked the processing of the most desperate refugees. Or when Manitoba First Nations, stricken by the swine flu, appealed for medicine: Ottawa instead sent body bags. Images capturing the quality of a dark decade, the sneering state-backed contempt for our highest aspirations to grasp our ecological limits, to assist those abroad, and to protect the most vulnerable among us.

Stephen Harper may have changed the character of the Canadian state. He has not changed the character of its people. Stifled and suffering under his policies, an overwhelming majority clearly want a new direction. While reversing the damage he has inflicted will require time, a reformed electoral system and the growth of popular movements, it must start by the removal of his government. Vote strategically and above all with your conscience, but vote Harper out.

On 19 October, Canadians will have their chance to combat a home-grown threat – a threat posed not by veiled women, but by the dismembering of their country. When a regime so utterly ransacks its own lands and people, can we stop describing it as the governing of a nation? It is more akin to a barbarian invasion.

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57 minutes ago, deicer said:

Harper’s cuts to taxes – GST, corporate and personal – have enriched corporations and denied the State  ( :head: ) a stunning $45 billion a year in revenue.

True Colors - Scene from Trolls Movie…how appropriate!!

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