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Came across this article ..... I wonder if John Robson would like to re think his opinion now, after sockboys 5 years destroying the country, and deficit spending that is bankrupting the country.....for the points raised,Harper doesn’t look so bad now, does he???

If he’s anything like we’ve seen here on this very forum,...when a Leftist is confronted with an “inconvenient” piece of information, they either (1) Deny...Deny. Deny...  then when that doesn’t work, post 20 irrelevant links from years gone by on how bad the “Right” was...(2) blame the previous administration or (3) move / deflect onto something totally different hoping the moment will pass. The last thing they will do is admit they are fallible.

Standard Leftist playbook imo

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To listen to sockboy and his idea of government .... we have your backs, from day one, clear and transparent, budgets will balance themselves, respect for parliament, blah blah blah ...... the Canadia


I’ve noticed Trudeau reading from briefing notes more and more recently..... would love to see a town hall meeting where questions and answers weren’t scripted, where there would be consequences for n

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Ontario woman forced to pay $3,458 hotel quarantine bill for one-night stay after returning to Canada from father's funeral


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By increasing immigration Trudeau has a laid trap for the Conservatives

One of the Trudeau government’s most important policy planks has been to aggressively ramp up the number of new permanent residents admitted to Canada. The target for 2021 has been set at 401,000, which Trudeau raised by 50,000 in October. This would be significantly higher than the number of permanent residents admitted in 2020, which fell to 184,370 due to the impact of travel restrictions caused by COVID-19. In 2019, 341,175 newcomers were admitted. Overall, with the exception of 2020, immigration has been steadily rising year after year.

Trudeau’s rationale for increasing this year’s quota even as COVID-19 was still playing itself out is that new immigrants are needed to power the Canadian economy. While in normal times, that rationale makes sense, it’s more problematic in the context of an economy still reeling from the impact of the pandemic and successive lockdowns. Unemployment in 2020 stood at 9.75 per cent, up sharply from 5.7 per cent the previous year.

Unsurprisingly, members of the Conservative opposition have expressed concerns about the government’s ambitious immigration targets in the context of an economic downturn. They may be on to something. A Bloomberg/Nanos poll from November 2020, found that 40 per cent of respondents wanted a smaller, not a larger number of immigrants than the previous year, and only 17 per cent favoured more immigration.

The high percentage opposing increased immigration is not purely a function of the pandemic and its economic aftermath. An EKOS poll from April 2019 found that 40 per cent of those surveyed thought that Canada was admitting too many immigrants. Why, then, given its potential unpopularity is the Trudeau government doubling down aggressively on increasing immigration, apart from ideological conviction?

The answer may lie in the twin, related facts, that new immigrants tend to be reliable Liberal voters, and, on the flip side, that those who identified themselves as Liberal supporters are much more supportive of immigration than self-identified Conservatives. According to the same EKOS poll, only 15 per cent of Liberals thought Canada was admitting too many members of visible minorities as new immigrants, while a whopping 69 per cent of Conservatives thought so.

This sets up a self-fulfilling dynamic, where Liberal governments ramp up immigration and gain political support from new immigrants and their political base, thereby setting up for further immigration increases. This is a similar dynamic to the United States, where immigrants traditionally have been staunch Democrats. Conversely, conservative parties have had difficulty in attracting and hanging on to the votes of new immigrants. On the face of it, this is difficult to understand given that many immigrants, especially from traditional societies such as in Asia, share some of the socially conservative values that should make the Conservative party attractive to them.

The problem is, as the poll suggests, members of the Conservative base are not just socially conservative but many have an antipathy to increasing numbers of immigration of visible minorities to Canada. This creates an obvious political problem for the Conservatives.

In 2019, fully 25 per cent of new permanent residents came from a single country, India. India has been a top source country of immigrants throughout Trudeau’s time in power. Perhaps surprisingly, China was a source for only nine per cent of new permanent residents in 2019. The Trudeau years have seen India increasingly important and China decreasingly so as a source of new immigrants to Canada

It is not just Canada pulling immigrants from India, but there’s also a push factor as India’s growth and job prospects for skilled workers have been stagnant for the last decade or so. India’s economy crashed in 2020 due to COVID-19 and a harsh lockdown which failed to prevent new infections, so you can fully expect immigrants from that country to be applying to migrate to Canada in larger numbers than ever.

This bodes well for the Liberals, ironically despite Trudeau’s mismanagement of the India-Canada bilateral relationship. As for the Conservatives, despite a concerted but ultimately failed attempt by then Prime Minister Stephen Harper to woo the immigrant, especially South Asian vote, Indo-Canadians broke big time for the Liberals, propelling them to victory in seat rich ridings in greater Toronto and Vancouver, perhaps because of Harper’s controversial reforms to Canada’s citizenship law in the form of Bill C-24.

Conservative leader Erin O’Toole has a delicate balancing act if he hopes to move into 24 Sussex Drive, which is to hang on to the party’s traditional socially conservative base, while not alienating new immigrants who’re going to be increasingly important to Canada’s demographic mix and now comprise 21 per cent of the population, as compared to only 13 per cent in the United States.

Trudeau has laid a trap for O’Toole. O’Toole might well see a wedge issue in public antipathy towards increasing immigration quotas while unemployment is high, but overplaying his hand could be a losing card among new Canadians.

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3 hours ago, Jaydee said:

By increasing immigration Trudeau has a laid trap for the Conservatives

People need to vote based on policy, but they don't.

When policy is used for political gain (as opposed to simply being good policy), it is never.... never, never, never, implemented with a view toward unintended consequences. It usually results in a backlash that's worse than good policy properly implemented ever could aspire to. 

What's real and what's not now.... it's pretty hard to tell even if you go looking. Some 40% of online product reviews are fake. So what is a conscientious person to even do? Who would have thought that socialism and identity politics (I call it tribalism) would ever be considered virtuous. In order to think it is, you have to have never seen it or lived it... but that only comes with experience.

The very people who know they don't know and are seeking to remedy that with information are now most at risk of getting it badly wrong through the efforts of people seeking to deliberately manipulate them. 

And consider this, left wing nut bars have unleashed Dr Seuss in a way that rivals JT's gun sale efforts. STOP HELPING!!!!!!



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Apparently the resident nut case in Ottawa has found a new way to blow taxpayers money. We should all be getting one of these in the mail soon. !! It is a postage paid postcard which you are supposed to send to a loved one.....I look forward to the Mail in earnest!!


” Prime Minister Justin Trudeau just sent you a postcard and now you can send him a piece of your mind.

The debt is soaring, the carbon tax keeps increasing and the governor general still gets a $200,000 expense account even after leaving office.

But the government wants you to know it cares so it spent millions to send blank postcards to Canadians from sea to sea, with the postage paid.

You can put those postcards to good use. Thousands of Canadian Taxpayers Federation supporters like you are sending these postcards to the prime minister’s constituency office.

This is a chance for you to tell the prime minister what he should be working on. Here is his office address:
Prime minister Justin Trudeau
220-1100 Crémazie East
Montréal, QC, H2P 2X2

Here are a few key taxpayer issues for inspiration:

  1. Canadians can’t afford ever increasing carbon taxes
  2. Canada’s trillion-dollar debt is mortgaging our children’s futures
  3. It’s time to cut off the $200,000 expense account for former governors general

The choice is yours.


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But when they do vote on policy, they vote based on ONE policy and not the overall platform.

for example a significant number of legal gun owners will vote conservative for the single reason that the legislation will likely be overturned.  However what do they sacrifice in return?

Same goes for someone who hates guns voting liberal on their policy of stupidity.  What do they lose in return?

One needs to look at the entire platform and decide what is best for CANADA not just for them personally.

But they don't.

To add to that the parties need to start electing leadership that are not total morons.  All this does is force people to vote for the least objectionable candidate.


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14 minutes ago, boestar said:

One needs to look at the entire platform and decide what is best for CANADA not just for them personally.

Which I would suggest is the very definition of voting on policy.

The one policy issue you refer to can only survive in an era of hyper-partisanship.

When people fear the outcome of an election and/or they stand to be hurt (financially or otherwise) by that outcome, you will find lots of single issue voters.... since it's not good for democracy you can be sure it's also damn poor for policy too. I would further submit that bad policy is circular in nature and  the only policy that leads to the situation you seek to avoid is partisan policy for political gain. 


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Canada's missing the boat on mining — and the future 

Canada has the resources, brains and track record to accelerate the transition to the New Economy, but we are crippled by a useless political class that never ran a pop stand.

The cost of electing a naïve and inept Liberal government has been inestimable, and our resource-blessed nation is about to miss the boat once more in the world of mining.

Mining built Canada, undergirds the economy, employs more Indigenous workers than any other sector, and pays the highest wages in the country. Canada is a centre of excellence in mining, which is why the world’s biggest mining gathering — the Prospectors & Developers Association of Canada, launched in 1932 — is once more about to take place this month, albeit virtually.

The buzz in the mining world these days is the new “gold rush,” or the extraction of the strategic materials that will be the backbone for technology and clean energy in the future. These include lithium, rare earth elements, cobalt, nickel and copper, among others. Canada — with the biggest piece of real estate on the planet with a free enterprise system — has plenty of all of these elements going for it, except that Ottawa thinks that mining, along with oil and gas, is a four-letter word.


Last week, President Joe Biden signed an executive order to secure America’s supply chains, including for metals and minerals essential to making batteries for electric vehicles, semiconductors and computer chips, and pharmaceuticals. A year ago, former president Donald Trump signed a bilateral deal with Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to prioritize their production.

The Americans have set aside millions to encourage this, but Trudeau has done nothing, including doing nothing about revising his job-killing Bill C-69 that impedes and strangles exploration or development. Even more embarrassing, Natural Resources Canada’s website actually describes Canada’s non-starter status: “While not a current producer … Canada is host to a number of advanced exploration projects and some of the largest reserves and resources (measured and indicated) of these metals, estimated at almost 15 million tonnes of rare earth oxides.”

In other words, Canada could be a contender, but it isn’t.

Without a change of government, or attitudes, Canada will miss the boat as it has with LNG (Liquefied Natural Gas) export projects. There should have been half a dozen or so, but instead only one is slowly underway in B.C., thanks to federal and provincial hindrance and unbridled Indigenous meddling.

As for strategic materials, only a handful of projects are underway when there should be dozens. The United States also blew this opportunity; it was the world’s biggest producer of many of these until the 1990s when China got into gear and cornered, then manipulated the market. In 2010, Beijing constricted supply of rare earths, increased prices, then reversed course to drop prices and undercut efforts everywhere else.

By 2019, China controlled 60 per cent of global production and the rest was shared between the United States, Myanmar, Australia and India. The world’s largest rare earth mine remains in Nevada, and only a handful of early-stage mining projects exist in Quebec, Ontario and the Northwest Territories. One of the world’s largest reserves of lithium exists in Northern Ontario but hasn’t become a mine.

Fortunately, Canada does have enormous nickel, copper, lithium and cobalt capability, all critically important for the future, and there are processing and refining facilities underway. Next year, Saskatchewan will open a rare earth processing operation, and cobalt refineries for battery production exist in Ontario and Alberta.

But there should be dozens of mines, processing plants and exploration projects tapping into the U.S. Energy Department’s US$160-million rare earths research and development program.

Canada has the resources, the brains and the track record to accelerate the transition to the New Economy and to cleaner energy. But we are crippled by a useless political class that never ran a pop stand.

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The Liberals are more focused on keeping their jobs than doing their jobs.


If Prime Minister Justin Trudeau wants to call an election in the middle of a pandemic with an ongoing and acute vaccine shortage, he can do it today.

It would strike many Canadians as self-serving and unnecessary, but that’s nothing new in politics.


But what Trudeau and Liberal House Leader Pablo Rodriguez should stop doing is pretending that if there’s going to be a spring election, it will be the fault of the Conservatives for obstructing Parliament.

If there’s a spring election, it will be because the Liberals want one.

Trudeau can call an election any time he likes.

His government doesn’t have to be defeated on a confidence vote by the opposition parties, which control the majority of seats in Parliament.

All Trudeau has to do is ask Supreme Court Chief Justice Richard Wagner — who is fulfilling the duties of the Governor General until a new one is appointed after Julie Payette’s resignation — to dissolve Parliament, triggering an election.

Given that the last election was 16 months ago and the average lifespan of minority governments is about 18 months, there’s no reason the Chief Justice would refuse Trudeau’s request, as the CBC’sAaron Wherry noted Monday.

When Rodriguez tells The Canadian Press that an election may be necessary because the Conservatives are “playing politics all the time in the House. It’s delay, delay, delay and eventually that delay becomes obstruction,” he should be laughed out of the room.

Ditto his claim Canadians should be insulted and worried that, “important programs may not come into force … because of the games played by the Conservatives.”

First, a politician complaining that political parties play political games is the equivalent of complaining that water is wet.

Second, Trudeau recently told the Liberals’ national board of directors “it looks like” there will be a spring election, according to a report by


Third, the Liberals obstruct the work of Parliament all the time for partisan reasons.

When Trudeau prorogued Parliament in August for more than a month, he did it to shut down investigations by parliamentary committees into his We Charity controversy.

After Parliament returned to work in September, Liberal MPs used the procedural tactic of filibustering to prevent those committees from resuming their investigations.

When the Conservatives moved a motion to create a new committee with broad powers to investigate the WE affair, Trudeau declared it a matter of confidence, daring the opposition parties to pass it and trigger an election.


That didn’t happen when the NDP backed the Liberals to defeat the Conservative motion, with party leader Jagmeet Singh saying: “New Democrats will not give Prime Minister Trudeau the election he’s looking for. We are voting against an election.”

That’s still Singh’s position.

Finally, no one is obstructing Trudeau or Finance MinisterChrystia Freeland from bringing down a federal budget.

Freeland has described that budget — whenever she finally gets around to delivering it — as “the most significant one of our lifetimes.”

Which raises the question of why the Liberals, in a time of unprecedented government spending, haven’t brought down a budget in almost two years — more than 700 days and counting — going back to March 19, 2019.GOLDSTEIN: Helpless: Caledonia's agony is a national disgrace 

That was before the last election, when Bill Morneau was finance minister.

The delay is inexplicable — every province and territory was able to bring down a budget last year — unless, of course, Trudeau’s plan is to call an election immediately after Freeland delivers the budget.


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“ The Fraser Institute ranks 14th best think tank worldwide out of more than 11,000 organizations, according to the University of Pennsylvania’s annual Global Go To Think Tank Index that was released last week.

Notably, the Institute was also named a Centre of Excellence, placing it among an elite group of institutions that are recognized for their sustained commitment to quality and excellence in public policy research.”


 “ With budget season looming in the middle of this COVID-recession, it is important to take stock of how our government is performing.

Unfortunately, on virtually every measure, Canada is underperforming – and has been underperforming since well before the COVID-recession hit.

Before COVID, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau had already set two unfortunate records: spending more money (per person) than any other prime minister in Canadian history; and increasing the federal debt (per person) more than any other prime minister not facing a world war or recession since 1870.

Surely this record spending put Canada in a better position to weather the COVID-recession, right?


One of our recent studies compared the pre-recession economic performance under the five most recent prime ministers. The findings? Not only did Canada’s economy not improve as a result of Trudeau’s spending, but our economic performance pre-COVID is the weakest of the last five comparable periods.

Making matters worse, this out-of-control spending and subsequent accumulation of debt has real costs for Canadians.

Just last week we released another study which examines those costs in detail. The federal government alone will spend $20 billion on debt servicing charges in 2020/21. That is roughly equivalent to what the government expects to spend on Equalization in the same period!

Ontarians are projected to spend more on combined interest costs in 2020/21 than they will on infrastructure this year.

The Alberta government projects $1.7 billion in resource revenue this year. But they will spend $4.7 billion on interest costs alone.

And British Columbians will spend more on servicing debt than they will on their Medical Services Plan this year.

Despite all this, Finance Minister Chrystia Freeland has indicated that the federal Liberal government is going to double down on its policies in the coming budget: more spending, new entitlement programs, more debt, and likely higher taxes.

It is clear that this government is simply not interested in actually encouraging growth and attracting business investment. As such, beyond a short-term bump in economic activity that should occur in a post-COVID world, it’s unlikely that a robust and sustained economic recovery will take hold in Canada.

That is why educating Canadians about the federal government’s damaging policies is such an important area of research and outreach for the Fraser Institute.”




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Justin will have his work cut out dealing with his new best buddy:


It lies in a pipeline. Not the better-known Keystone or Trans Mountain lines that have been the focus of intense national and cross-border debate, but the more obscure Line 5, an Enbridge conduit that carries petroleum and other products from Western Canada to the eastern provinces by way of Michigan. It usually gets little attention because it’s been in operation with minimal drama since the 1950s. Its future has suddenly become questionable because Michigan Gov. Gretchen Whitmer, a close ally of President Joe Biden, wants it shut down.

This is no small pipeline. It supplies products needed for about 45 per cent of Ontario’s crude oil needs, all the jet fuel at Pearson International Airport and about half the fuel needed by Quebec refineries to make gasoline.It’s important to Michigan as well, as it ships about 55 per cent of the state’s propane, and 65 per cent used in the state’s upper peninsula.



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Five Surgeons Discussing Who Makes The Best Patients To Operate On. The fifth surgeons Reply Was Priceless Because It’s The Truth. 
The first surgeon says, ‘I like to see accountants on my operating table because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered.’ 
The second responds, ‘Yeah, but you should try electricians! Everything inside them is colour coded.’
The third surgeon says, ‘No, I really think librarians are the best. Everything inside them is in alphabetical order.’ 
The fourth surgeon chimes in: ‘You know, I like construction workers...Those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over.’ 
But the fifth surgeon shut them all up when he observed: ‘You’re all wrong. Politicians are the easiest to operate on. There’s no guts, no heart, no balls, no brains, and no spine...Plus, the head and the ass are interchangeable!’
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“ The cast of HBO’s “Silicon Valley” stand in a line, hands in one another’s pockets, with a meek expression that says: “You don’t have to worry about me getting you pregnant, because my sperm count is so low! Not that you would sleep with me anyway, because my handshake is so weak it would send you running in the other direction.”



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Another Trudeau failure haunting Canada. This time the old mans.


Abolish the monarchy? In Canada, it would be a royal pain in the butt 

Ironically, Brits could ditch the Queen faster than we could.

“ With a controversial royal interview once again in the public zeitgeist, there has been a predictable chorus of calls to abolish the monarchy or otherwise punt the House of Windsor into historical irrelevance.”

“ But Canada, for better or for worse, has “arguably has the most difficult to amend constitution in the world,” in the words of University of Waterloo constitutional expert Emmett Macfarlane. Under Section 41 of the Constitution Act, which was passed in 1982 by the Liberal government of Pierre Trudeau, the “office of the Queen” cannot be changed unless it is approved by Parliament and “the legislative assembly of each province.”

“ The House of Commons, the Senate and all 10 provinces must sign off on any plan to make Canada a republic. Simply put, there has been no major peacetime issue in the history of confederation that could have garnered that level of consent The Constitution itself, notably, was passed despite Quebec never signing it. Even if Canada awoke to a world where every single provincial legislature suddenly concurred with firing the monarch, it’s reasonable to assume that Alberta, Quebec, and any number of other provinces would make Ottawa pay dearly for their “yes” vote.”


“ The easiest Canadian workaround would be to find a resident king 

There is a loophole in our Constitution to effectively pick a new monarch without all the paperwork of a constitutional change. Although the Constitution is really strict about altering the “office of the Queen,” it doesn’t define what that term means. There is nothing in the Constitution stating that our monarch must be a descendant of Queen Victoria or even that they must be the same monarch as the one in London.”



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I guess it’s not news anymore, when you spend half a billion $$$, but Trudeau’s vote buying yesterday’s sermon, he mentioned a new program for BC for affordable housing, part of a new strategy that would give individuals up to $400/month toward housing.

Lets see..... child benefit, cerb, housing well as mention of national pharmacare quote a Toronto car dealer....

”Whose paying for all this????”           silly question.

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