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And while the Can/Us border remains locked, even though the US is miles ahead of in vaccinations (Florida alone has vaccinated more people....7.1 mill...than has been in all of Canada!) infected flights continue to arrive:

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An unrealistic hope of herd immunity fuelled the re-opening, she explained — bolstered by 21% of Delhi residents testing positive for COVID-19 antibodies.

New cases promptly spiked, growing from about 15,000 on March 8 to Thursday’s new high of 132,000.

That was also when Canada started recording an increase in COVID-19 infected airline passengers from Delhi, with  13 landing in Toronto between Feb 4. and Feb 14. increasing to 21 between March 4 and March 20 and 23 flights between March 21 and April 1 , according to two-week Health Canada data.

While India banned international flights last month, Canada is one of 13 nations exempted via an ‘air bridge’ arrangement between the two governments.

 

Toronto sees two regular daily flights from Delhi, via Air Canada and Air India.

Passenger manifests provided to theSun show these flights are regularly booked to capacity — AC 43, a 63-row Boeing 777 that touched down in Toronto from Delhi early Thursday morning, flew with 364 passengers in its 400 available seats.

Tell me why Canada is one of the exempted air bridge countries, if the government is so worried about infected travellers?

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13 hours ago, UpperDeck said:

Take a moment and reflect upon your numerous posts on this subject and ask why you have taken such an immutable position.

As has been reported, there is currently a very significant amount of cross-border traffic mostly represented by the transportation industry and "essential" workers.

 

maybe because I am not a "Snow Bird" who maintains residents in both countries......

Also of course: Coronavirus Update (Live): 136,241,302 Cases and 2,941,838 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

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no COUNT OF CURRENT CASES SHOWN FOR CANADA

I have no objection to the movement of traffic mostly represented by the transportation industry and "essential" workers but do question any need for vacation travel. 

 I suspect you are on other hand are in favour for your own personal reasons.  

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19 minutes ago, Kargokings said:

maybe because I am not a "Snow Bird" who maintains residents in both countries...... I have no objection to the movement of traffic mostly represented by the transportation industry and "essential" workers but do question any need for vacation travel. 

 I suspect you are on other hand are in favour for your own personal reasons.  

There are those like myself who have a son and his family just across the border. I'd sure like to see them. There are all the small businesses that are failing. For example my son has a business in Blaine. He has had to lay off all his employees and run it on his own and still not be making money. It isn't just about vacation travel.

That is just one example and there are others who are hurting a lot more than that.

 

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Yesterday we had over 7000 new cases, today,( Sunday ),we have over 4000 new cases at 11:30 EST

The entire COVID issue in Canada was, and is, a "dumpster fire," and the main reason is that politicians don't want to PO anyone because they want their vote in the next election, Provincial and Federal.

If the Feds and the Provincial Govt had "lowered the hammer" at the beginning we might be just as clean as New Zealand 

 

PS...Trying to help out an elderly couple who are not proficient on computers.....3 days later I think I know why they can not get "shot" appointments in SE Ontario...I believe that there is, at this time, no vaccine available in this area HOWEVER...there is NOT one word on any website advising people who want to book that "BOOKING ARE NOT AVAILABLE...TRY AGAIN LATER" and there is NOT one phone number listed where you can get info about the website....has it crashed, is it broken, what gives???..

In frustration I drove to the "shot centre" here in "Dotville" and it is locked up tight although their time of operations says it is open.

The worst maintenance of a critical website I have ever seen.

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52 minutes ago, GDR said:

There are those like myself who have a son and his family just across the border. I'd sure like to see them. There are all the small businesses that are failing. For example my son has a business in Blaine. He has had to lay off all his employees and run it on his own and still not be making money. It isn't just about vacation travel.

That is just one example and there are others who are hurting a lot more than that.

 

I can sympathize as we have children and grandchildren in BC that I would love to visit but current rules do not allow that 

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Indoor gatherings

No indoor social gatherings of any size at your residence with anyone other than your household or, if you live alone, your core bubble. For example:

  • Do not invite friends or extended family inside your residence or vacation accommodation
  • Do not host a party or event inside your house

 As far as businesses closing..... lots in Canada but most not because of a lack of cross border traffic.

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6 minutes ago, Kargokings said:

I can sympathize as we have children and grandchildren in BC that I would love to visit but current rules do not allow that 

 As far as businesses closing..... lots in Canada but most not because of a lack of cross border traffic.

 

I guess we all wonder "what if" the current restrictions were removed and our borders etc. were thrown open? Would we see a wave of tourist traffic from the US and others?  Would this result in increased cases / costs here?  Not sure I would want to find out.  Within Canada I am also in favour of some restrictions:

1. Instead of blanket provincial restrictions, why not zonal ones?\

2. Testing travellers for the virus when they cross Provincial Borders (by land, sea or air) so as to lessen the spread.  

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I think that the powers at be have to start adapting to the reality that this pandemic is not going away for a variety of reasons in the short term.....agree with the idea of zonal restrictions...why lock down rural areas when the major infection sites are in metro Toronto? Why lockdown the land  border with the US (when the US CDC has advised against travel to Canada) when every second car on the 401 between Kingston and Prescott is from Quebec? Why prevent people who want to go to their seasonal residences via land crossings (  who pay taxes and are vaccinated and tested) when there is a steady flow of airtravelers coming into the country from their “seasonal” residences??

Nothing is making sense.

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B.C. sees uptick in COVID-19 flight exposures, 82 flights added in single week

Published Sunday, April 11, 2021 9:39AM PDT
 

 

VANCOUVER -- The B.C. Centre for Disease Control added 23 more flights to its list of COVID-19 exposures on Friday and Saturday.

The latest additions to the list mean the BCCDC posted notifications about 82 different flights during the week of Sunday, April 4, to Saturday, April 10.

Eleven of the flights added to the list during the last week were international. The rest, some 87 per cent of the week's additions, were domestic. 

The flights added either took off from or landed at a B.C. airport in late March or early April.

While CTV News Vancouver does not have a weekly tally of the number of flights the BCCDC has added to the list since the pandemic began, available evidence on the centre's website shows that the number of B.C. flights with COVID-19 cases on board has been increasing in recent weeks.

As of Saturday, the BCCDC COVID-19 flight exposures list had 149 flights connected to B.C. airports in March, for an average of fewer than five flights per day. But the exposures in March were not evenly distributed and as the month dragged on, the pace of exposures picked up.

One-hundred of the 149 exposures happened after March 15 (an average of more than six per day), and 83 of them took place on March 20 or later (more than seven per day).

The increasing number of exposures on flights parallels the rising number of COVID-19 infections Canada has seen in recent weeks. On Friday, the country saw its highest-ever single-day total for new cases. 

Details of the 23 most recently added flights follow.

  •  March 28: Air Canada flight 233 from Edmonton to Vancouver (rows 27 to 33)
  •  March 28: Air Canada/Jazz flight 8414 from Vancouver to Kelowna (rows 11 to 17)
  •  March 29: Air Canada flight 124 from Vancouver to Toronto (rows 12 to 14)
  •  March 29: Air Canada flight 8419 from Kelowna to Vancouver (rows five to 11)
  •  March 31: Air Canada flight 45 from Delhi to Vancouver (rows 22 to 28)
  •  April 1: Harbour Air flight YB238 from Victoria to Vancouver (rows unknown)
  •  April 1: Air Canada flight 212 from Vancouver to Calgary (rows 17 to 23 and 26 to 32)
  •  April 1: WestJet flight 720 from Vancouver to Toronto (rows 13 to 19)
  •  April 2: Air Canada flight 246 from Vancouver to Edmonton (rows 22 to 28)
  •  April 2: Air Canada flight 306 from Vancouver to Montreal (rows 32 to 38)
  •  April 2: Air India flight 185 from Delhi to Vancouver (rows not reported)
  •  April 3: WestJet flight 136 from Vancouver to Calgary (rows one to four)
  •  April 4: Air Canada flight 104 from Vancouver to Toronto (rows 26 to 30)
  •  April 4: Swoop flight 182 from Abbotsford to Edmonton (rows not reported)
  •  April 5: WestJet flight 112 from Vancouver to Calgary (rows seven to 13)
  •  April 5: Air Canada flight 201 from Calgary to Vancouver (rows 25 to 31)
  •  April 6: WestJet flight 449 from Calgary to Victoria (rows four to 10)
  •  April 6: Air Canada flight 7 from Vancouver to Hong Kong (rows 38 to 44)
  •  April 6: Air Canada flight 212 from Vancouver to Calgary (rows 15 to 21)
  •  April 7: Air Canada flight 128 from Vancouver to Toronto (rows 32 to 36)
  •  April 7: Air India flight 185 from Delhi to Vancouver (rows not reported)
  •  April 7: Air Canada flight 233 from Calgary to Vancouver (rows 19 to 25)
  •  April 8: Air Canada flight 8625 from Winnipeg to Vancouver (rows unknown)

Anyone who was on any of the listed flights should self-monitor for symptoms of COVID-19, seeking testing and self-isolating if any develop, according to the BCCDC.

Passengers who were seated in the rows listed are considered to be at greater risk of contracting COVID-19 because of their proximity to a confirmed case of the disease.

International travellers are required to provide proof of a negative coronavirus test before being allowed to board flights bound for Canada. They are also required to self-isolate for 14 days after arriving in the country. The first three nights of that quarantine must be spent in a government-approved hotel.

No such requirements exist for domestic travellers, though health officials continue to warn against non-essential travel within Canada.

B.C. health officials do not directly contact everyone who was on a flight that had a coronavirus case on board. Instead, notifications are published on the BCCDC website.

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9 hours ago, Kargokings said:

maybe because I am not a "Snow Bird" who maintains residents in both countries......

Also of course: Coronavirus Update (Live): 136,241,302 Cases and 2,941,838 Deaths from COVID-19 Virus Pandemic - Worldometer (worldometers.info)

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no COUNT OF CURRENT CASES SHOWN FOR CANADA

I have no objection to the movement of traffic mostly represented by the transportation industry and "essential" workers but do question any need for vacation travel. 

 I suspect you are on other hand are in favour for your own personal reasons.  

Apparently, you are reuctant to engage in critical analysis which requires some degree of objectivity.

Maintaining residences in two or more countries simply evidences one's financial means or frugality or a fortutious selection of parents but certainly does not indicate an absence of concern with the physical health of others. Did you think it did?

You apparently don't understand that I have in fact participated in cross-border travel since the Canada-US border was "closed" and I have adapted as necessary to the environment in which I exist....much like this Covid virus.

The issue for discussion....one which you avoid...is whether current restrictions to cross-border traffic in fact enhance public health; do they demonstrably inhibit the transfer of the virus to innocent, stay-at-home Canadians?

As rhetorically asked above, would similar restrictions upon domestic travel be as or more effective? If so....why has the government not imposed those restrictions?

Would country-specific restrictions be effective? Should Canada restrict travel originating in India, for example?

Personally, I believe that I am much safer where I reside in the US than I would be in many places in Canada.

Leaving that aside....I do not hesitate to acknowledge that I am almost daily engaged in a personal debate on which approach to the Covid virus is most efficient from a social, economical and medical perspective...and wherein lies the balance.

Should John Doe have the right to dine in at a restaurant; does he have the right to make an informed decision?

Can Mary object to the exercise of that freedom given Mary's ability to isolate and protect herself from John?

Are we primarily concerned that John's acceptance of the risk and the realization of same might over-burden our health care system? If that is the motivator, then ipso fact, as a society, we should prohibit or regulate all activity that carries a risk that collectively we believe to be economically unacceptable.

Kargo....THAT is what I mean by critical analysis.

Too easy by far to accuse you of finger-pointing at cross-border travellers because you don't have the same mobility.

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France moves to ban short-haul domestic flights

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French lawmakers have moved to ban short-haul internal flights where train alternatives exist, in a bid to reduce carbon emissions.

Over the weekend, lawmakers voted in favour of a bill to end routes where the same journey could be made by train in under two-and-a-half hours.

Connecting flights will not be affected, however.

The planned measures will face a further vote in the Senate before becoming law.

Airlines around the world have been severely hit by the coronavirus pandemic, with website Flightradar24 reporting that the number of flights last year were down almost 42% from 2019.

The measures could affect travel between Paris and cities including Nantes, Lyon and Bordeaux.

But the French government had faced calls to introduce even stricter rules on domestic flights.

France's Citizens' Convention on Climate, which was created by President Emmanuel Macron in 2019 and included 150 members of the public, had proposed scrapping plane journeys where train journeys of under four hours existed.

Saturday's vote came days after the French government more than doubled its stake in Air France. The government had previously offered €7bn ($8.3bn, £6bn) in loans to help the airline weather the pandemic, although France's economy minister said at the time the funding was dependent on the airline scrapping some of its domestic flights.

This is not the first time similar measures have been introduced.

Last year, Austrian Airlines replaced a flight route between the capital Vienna and the city of Salzburg with an increased train service, after receiving a government bailout with provisions to cut its carbon footprint.

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13 hours ago, UpperDeck said:

 

Kargo....THAT is what I mean by critical analysis.

Too easy by far to accuse you of finger-pointing at cross-border travellers because you don't have the same mobility.

In actual fact I have the ability and $$$$ to have the same mobility and chose to live within the current laws / restrictions. 

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The aviation industry remembers the well deserved criticism against the so-called increases in security that we faced post-9/11 and how it amounted to little more than lipstick on the proverbial pig (harassing innocent people instead of targeting actual risks). Given the facts around the greatest contributors to COVID case spread, it's not hard to see why so many are questioning the validity of our current travel restrictions. They have more holes than all of the cheese in Zurich.

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Singapore Rolls Out IATA Travel Pass Acceptance To All Arrivals

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Mark Finlay

April 12, 2021

In a massive boost to the International Air Transport Association (IATA) Travel Pass, the Civil Aviation Authority of Singapore (CAAS) has announced that it will accept the IATA Travel Pass from all arriving passengers. In what it calls a move to restore air travel safely, anyone arriving in Singapore by air will be able to use the IATA Travel Pass to prove a negative pre-departure COVID-19 PCR test.

Passengers arriving and departing Changi Airport (SIN) can use the IATA Travel Pass at both arrivals immigration checkpoints and also while checking in for flights. In a statement released today about the CAAS and IATA’s ongoing collaboration, the CAAS says that Singapore will accept the IATA from all passengers beginning May 1. The CAAS says that accepting the IATA Travel Pass as proof of a negative PCR test will facilitate seamless and efficient travel.

What is the IATA Travel Pass?

The IATA Travel Pass is a secure digital wallet that passengers can use to obtain and store their PCR test results from accredited laboratories. During the current COVID-19 pandemic, the IATA has developed the mobile phone Travel Pass app to allow passengers to store and manage their COVID-19 PCR results or proof of having been vaccinated against COVID-19.

How does the IATA Travel Pass work?

The IATA Travel Pass has four open and interoperable modules, which it uses to create an end-to-end solution by incorporating the following features:

The app allows passengers to find accurate information on global health requirements on testing and, eventually, vaccine requirements for their journey.

A global registry of testing and vaccination centers enables passengers to find testing centers and laboratories at their departure locations that meet the country’s requirements to which they are traveling.

The app enables accredited laboratories and test centers to share test and vaccination certificates with passengers securely.

The app allows passengers to share PCR testing or vaccination certificates with airlines and authorities.

Singapore Airlines trialed the app

Singapore Airlines (SIA) successfully tested the IATA Travel Pass during March on flights between Singapore and London. The Singapore health authorities and border control officers will now accept the IATA Travel Pass as proof of a negative PCR test or vaccination.

IATA Travel Pass

Singapore Airlines trialed the IATA Travel Pass on flights between SIN and LHR. Photo: IATA

When speaking about Singapore accepting the IATA Travel Pass as proof of a negative PCR test or that you have been vaccinated against COVID-19, CAAS Director-General Kevin Shum said:

 

“We have built upon our long-standing and deep partnership with IATA to develop solutions to facilitate travel. This latest collaboration with IATA demonstrates our shared commitment to drive the adoption of digital health certificates and restore international air travel. As we work to safely rebuild the Changi air hub, we will continue to explore other solutions that can provide similarly secure and verifiable means of sharing health certificates for safe international travel.”

Former CEO of the International Airlines Group and now Director-General of IATA Willie Walsh talked about the IATA Travel Pass, saying:

“Having the confidence of an aviation leader like Singapore in IATA Travel Pass is hugely significant. Ongoing trials put us on track for IATA Travel Pass to be a critical tool for the industry’s restart by delivering verified travel health credentials to governments. And travelers can have complete confidence that their personal data is secure and under their own control. The success of our joint efforts will make IATA’s partnership with the government of Singapore a model for others to follow.”

More than 20 airlines are trialing the app

When Simple Flying wrote about Singapore Airlines’ trial of the IATA Travel Pass, we discovered that it only worked on Apple smartphones. IATA has addressed this shortfall and says that an Android version of the app will launch at the end of April. They also say that there will be a paper alternative for people who do not have a smartphone.

Currently, the IATA Travel Pass is being trialed by the following airlines:

 

Singapore Airlines

Emirates

Qatar Airways

Etihad

Malaysia Airlines

Copa Airlines

RwandAir

Qantas

Air New Zealand

AirBaltic

Gulf Air

ANA

Air Serbia

Thai

Thai Smile

Korean Air

Neos

Virgin Atlantic

Ethiopian Airlines

VietJet

HongKong Airlines

JAL

Iberia

The CAAS says that travelers to Singapore who intend to use the app should first check with the airlines they are flying on to see if they accept the IATA Travel Pass as proof of a negative PCR test or vaccination.

It looks like out of all the apps that have been designed for air travel during the current pandemic that the IATA Travel Pass has the potential to become the industry standard.

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Good Canadians coming home after spending their money in the US to avoid our winters..... 

Canadian snowbirds landing in U.S. border towns to avoid quarantine hotels

Published Monday, April 12, 2021 9:15PM EDT 

TORONTO -- With warmer weather approaching, snowbirds are flocking back to Canada and some of them are finding ways to avoid spending three days in a government-mandated quarantine hotel.

Business is booming for car services in American border towns where Canadian snowbirds are arriving to be driven across the border to their front doors.

“Triple, probably quadruple the amount of calls, it’s crazy. The phones are ringing off the hook,” Tony Moore, owner and president of Buffalo Black Car Service in Buffalo, N.Y., told CTVNews.ca in a phone interview on Monday.

“We’re taking people straight to Toronto, right to their house,” he added.

He said that Canadians coming through aren’t happy about the restrictions on people flying into the country.

“They told us they're not really happy with it, they've heard horror stories about staying at the hotel,” he said. “They’d definitely rather pay the price of US$350 for us to take them up there.”

As for his drivers, most of them have been vaccinated as essential workers and are regularly tested, so they’re not too worried about driving Canadians home.

“They wear masks the whole time, and we also have purchased very expensive, nice partitions to put up between the passengers and the driver,” he said.

All in all it’s about a five-hour round trip for his drivers who, once in Canada, won’t step out of their vehicles.

“We have to have a full tank of gas, that way the driver doesn't have to stop anywhere. They go directly from the airport in Buffalo, directly to the border,” said Moore. “We test the clients in the backseat, and then take them, the driver never gets out of their car, directly to their home.”

Once home in Canada, passengers are to get their own bags from the car so the driver can remain in the vehicle the entire duration of the trip, he added.

He said that a lot of the Canadians using his service aren’t happy with the way the pandemic is being handled in Canada.

“They’re complaining a lot about the leadership, or the lack of leadership in Canada,” he said. “They’re not happy with that.”

For the Canadians who opt to take the long way home aren’t necessarily doing it to skip out on the hotel bill.

“Cost is less a factor than exposure to germs in an enclosed hotel environment,” Laura Lawrence told CTVNews.ca in an email.

Lawrence and her husband have spent the last four months in the Turks and Caicos Islands, and trying to get back to Canada hasn’t been a simple task. They’ve already spent $1,800 on a room at a quarantine hotel in Toronto before changing their plans.

“We decided to rebook our flight, direct to Buffalo and enter Canada by car - thus losing money on our booked - non-refundable hotel,” she added.

Lawrence said both she and her husband were fully vaccinated in Turks and Caicos.

Even flying into Buffalo and booking a car service hasn’t simplified their travel plans. After landing in the U.S., they will have to have another PCR test and await results before taking a car service home.

“So in brief we will need to stay overnight in Buffalo while having taken another COVID test in a Buffalo Niagara International Airport Kiosk centre, wait 24 hours for the test results and then take the car service over the border,” she said.

For the Lawrences, this is still preferable to a stay in a quarantine hotel, where they worry COVID-19 might spread.

While there haven’t been reports of this happening in any Canadian quarantine hotels, one such facility in Australia had a B.1.1.7 variant outbreak earlier this year.

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https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/man-who-spent-1-500-to-stay-at-toronto-quarantine-hotel-says-he-got-covid-19-anyways-infected-whole-family-1.5384113

So...you can spend $x to legally ( note to Kargo....compying with all laws and regulations does NOT constitute pursuing a "loophole") re-enter Canada safely or pay 3x as much to be put at risk.

What manner of people enable this idiocy? Never mind...I think I know the answer.

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What is ambiguous is the article says that five days after leaving the hotel, he, his two sons, daughter and daughter in law started displaying symptoms.

Were they all living in the same home?  Is the possibility that one of the children gave it to him?

Lot's of questions to be answered.

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France suspends all Brazil flights due to virus variants

PARIS — France suspended all flights from Brazil on Tuesday amid mounting fears over the particularly contagious coronavirus variant that has been sweeping the South American country.

 

“We note that the situation is getting worse and so we have decided to suspend all flights between Brazil and France until further notice," Castex said.

Follow all of AP’s pandemic coverage at https://apnews.com/hub/coronavirus-pandemic, https://apnews.com/hub/coronavirus-vaccine

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4 hours ago, Kip Powick said:

Curious.......does flying to Buffalo and then using a limo at $350 USD to cross the border and drive to your home in YZ  constitute a loophole ??

I would say no, since the hotel stay requirement only applies to passengers arriving on international flights. 

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But if they arrive via a land border, CBSA has no means to enforce a hotel stay. Whether or not they chose to fly into Buffalo (or any other airport near the border) isn't relevant.

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7 hours ago, deicer said:

Is the possibility that one of the children gave it to him?

Lot's of questions to be answered.

Reminds me of several of our FAs who have had Covid and who insist that they got it on a flight.  Almost all that I know who have had it are those who participate in layover room get-togethers where unmasked drinking, eating and merrymaking goes on.  Yet they know for a fact that they were infected on the aircraft by a passenger despite the hepa filters, despite wearing PPE and despite the fact that passengers were masked.  Ok then.

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53 minutes ago, J.O. said:

But if they arrive via a land border, CBSA has no means to enforce a hotel stay. Whether or not they chose to fly into Buffalo (or any other airport near the border) isn't relevant.

Did more reading..? OK..by doing that, all they do is eliminate the hotel stay but have to do the "tests" etc. at home and quarantine for 14 days.

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Holy cow!! Is this all news to you guys? ?? If you enter Canada by air from anywhere ourside Canada, you are required to 1) produce a 72 hour negative PCR; 2) submit to a test at the airport; 3) proceed to a pre-paid quarantine hotel ( minimum 3 days); 4) await the result of your arrival pcr test; 5) if positive, proceed to your place of quarantine for the remainder of the 14 day quarantine period; 6) do another pcr test on day 10. Note....you pay for the 3 day minimum hotel even if your test results are available after 1 night.

If you enter Canada by car from the US, the only difference from the above regimen is that you are not required to stay in a hotel to await the results of your arrival test. You STILL submit to 3 tests all of which must of course be negative. And...as has been noted, unless driving your own vehicle to the land crossing, you have to pay ( through the nose!!) for transportation into Canada from an airport near the border.

Trust me....it's not a "walk in the park".

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