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45 minutes ago, Jaydee said:

This is Swamp Things 2, the sequel, and the original wasn’t all that great.

And yet it was predictable, I suspect that an overtly progressive agenda runs counter to his political DNA.

It will be interesting to watch how he walks back progressive expectations and the resulting revolt (within progressive circles) that any back peddling elicits. I'm also eager to see the media response... I'm willing to bet the message will be one of unity, conciliation, healing and acceptance of election results as the "will of the people."

The very virtues they have held in abeyance these last four years.

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If the Dems Truly did "Steal" the election from the sitting government then that just goes to show the true incompetence of the Republicans.  They had the high ground and still lost the battle.  They

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31 minutes ago, seeker said:

At 76, good diet rules and not supplements. Still play with our dogs and still do household chores including on and off a ladder (painting the outside of the house), relaying patio blocks (70lbs each) etc.  Mind you I have always been active.   😀 Unlike Biden, my back up is my wife who is 81.  

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20 minutes ago, Malcolm said:

At 76, good diet rules and not supplements. Still play with our dogs and still do household chores including on and off a ladder (painting the outside of the house), relaying patio blocks (70lbs each) etc.  Mind you I have always been active.   😀 Unlike Biden, my back up is my wife who is 81.  

Good on you Malcolm.  A proper diet will serve you well but there are a few essential nutrients that are worth considering as supplements.  Vitamins K2, D3 and E (tocotrienol) are some that can be deficient even in people who have a "good" diet.  If you are aware and make specific diet and lifestyle choices you can meet these requirements but you need to be aware and track your intake.  Note that the Vitamin E requirement is for the tocotrienol version not the tocopherol version and the vitamin K2 is not a supplement but will need to come from diet.

I'm no doctor but this is my research anyway.  At 76 it's probably a good idea to take D3 (which is pennies a day) since bioavailabilty decreases with age and virtually everyone is difficient.  As I said, I'm no doctor but worth considering (or asking your doctor next time you see him/her).

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Barr: No evidence of fraud that'd change U.S. election outcome

Michael Balsamo Published Tuesday, December 1, 2020 3:25PM EST
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In this Oct. 15, 2020, file photo U.S. Attorney General William Barr speaks during a roundtable discussion on Operation Legend in St. Louis. (AP Photo/Jeff Roberson, File)

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WASHINGTON -- U.S. Attorney General William Barr said Tuesday the Justice Department has not uncovered evidence of widespread voter fraud that would change the outcome of the 2020 presidential election.

His comments come despite President Donald Trump's repeated claims that the election was stolen, and his refusal to concede his loss to President-Elect Joe Biden.

In an interview with The Associated Press, Barr said U.S. attorneys and FBI agents have been working to follow up specific complaints and information they've received, but they've uncovered no evidence that would change the outcome of the election.

“To date, we have not seen fraud on a scale that could have effected a different outcome in the election,” Barr told the AP.

The comments are especially direct coming from Barr, who has been one of the president's most ardent allies. Before the election, he had repeatedly raised the notion that mail-in voter fraud could be especially vulnerable to fraud during the coronavirus pandemic as Americans feared going to polls and instead chose to vote by mail.

Last month, Barr issued a directive to U.S. attorneys across the country allowing them to pursue any “substantial allegations” of voting irregularities, if they existed, before the 2020 presidential election was certified, despite no evidence at that time of widespread fraud. That memorandum gave prosecutors the ability to go around longstanding Justice Department policy that normally would prohibit such overt actions before the election was certified. Soon after it was issued, the department's top elections crime official announced he would step aside from that position because of the memo.

The Trump campaign team led by Rudy Giuliani has been alleging a widespread conspiracy by Democrats to dump millions of illegal votes into the system with no evidence. They have filed multiple lawsuits in battleground states alleging that partisan poll watchers didn't have a clear enough view at polling sites in some locations and therefore something illegal must have happened. The claims have been repeatedly dismissed including by Republican judges who have ruled the suits lacked evidence. Local Republicans in some battleground states have followed Trump in making similar unsupported claims.

Trump has railed against the election in tweets and in interviews though his own administration has said the 2020 election was the most secure ever. Trump recently allowed his administration to begin the transition over to Biden, but has still refused to admit he lost.

The issues Trump's campaign and its allies have pointed to are typical in every election: Problems with signatures, secrecy envelopes and postal marks on mail-in ballots, as well as the potential for a small number of ballots miscast or lost.

But they've also requested federal probes into the claims. Attorney Sidney Powell has spun fictional tales of election systems flipping votes, German servers storing U.S. voting information and election software created in Venezuela “at the direction of Hugo Chavez,” - the late Venezuelan president who died in 2013. Powell has since been removed from the legal team after an interview she gave where she threatened to “blow up” Georgia with a “biblical” court filing.

Barr didn't name Powell specifically but said: “There's been one assertion that would be systemic fraud and that would be the claim that machines were programmed essentially to skew the election results. And the DHS and DOJ have looked into that, and so far, we haven't seen anything to substantiate that,” Barr said.

He said people were confusing the use of the federal criminal justice system with allegations that should be made in civil lawsuits. He said such a remedy for those complaints would be a top-down audit conducted by state or local officials, not the U.S. Justice Department.

“There's a growing tendency to use the criminal justice system as sort of a default fix-all, and people don't like something they want the Department of Justice to come in and `investigate,”' Barr said.

He said first of all there must be a basis to believe there is a crime to investigate.

“Most claims of fraud are very particularized to a particular set of circumstances or actors or conduct. They are not systemic allegations and. And those have been run down; they are being run down,” Barr said. “Some have been broad and potentially cover a few thousand votes. They have been followed up on.”

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1918 Germany Has a Warning for America

Donald Trumpʼs “Stop the Steal” campaign recalls one of the most disastrous political lies of the 20th century.
By Jochen Bittner
Contributing Opinion Writer

Opinion | 1918 Germany Has a Warning for America - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/11/30/opinion/trump-conspiracy-germany-1918.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Nov. 30, 2020

HAMBURG, Germany — It may well be that Germans have a special inclination to panic at specters from the past, and I admit that this alarmism annoys me at times. Yet watching President Trump’s “Stop the Steal” campaign since Election Day, I can’t help but see a parallel to one of the most dreadful episodes from Germany’s history.
One hundred years ago, amid the implosions of Imperial Germany, powerful conservatives who led the country into war refused to accept that they had lost. Their denial gave birth to arguably the most potent and disastrous political lie of the 20th century — the Dolchstosslegende, or stab-in-the-back myth.

Its core claim was that Imperial Germany never lost World War I. Defeat, its proponents said, was declared but not warranted. It was a conspiracy, a con, a capitulation — a grave betrayal that forever stained the nation. That the claim was palpably false didn’t matter. Among a sizable number of Germans, it stirred resentment, humiliation and anger. And the one figure who knew best how to exploit their frustration was Adolf Hitler.

Don’t get me wrong: This is not about comparing Mr. Trump to Hitler, which would be absurd. But the Dolchstosslegende provides a warning. It’s tempting to dismiss Mr. Trump’s irrational claim that the election was “rigged” as a laughable last convulsion of his reign or a cynical bid to heighten the market value for the TV personality he might once again intend to become, especially as he appears to be giving up on his effort to overturn the election result.

But that would be a grave error. Instead, the campaign should be seen as what it is: an attempt to elevate “They stole it” to the level of legend, perhaps seeding for the future social polarization and division on a scale America has never seen.
In 1918, Germany was staring at defeat. The entry of the United States into the war the year before, and a sequence of successful counterattacks by British and French forces, left German forces demoralized. Navy sailors went on strike. They had no appetite to be butchered in the hopeless yet supposedly holy mission of Kaiser Wilhelm II and the loyal aristocrats who made up the Supreme Army Command.

A starving population joined the strikes and demands for a republic grew. On Nov. 9, 1918, Wilhelm abdicated, and two days later the army leaders signed the armistice. It was too much to bear for many: Military officers, monarchists and right-wingers spread the myth that if it had not been for political sabotage by Social Democrats and Jews back home, the army would never have had to give in.

The deceit found willing supporters. “Im Felde unbesiegt” — “undefeated on the battlefield” — was the slogan with which returning soldiers were greeted. Newspapers and postcards depicted German soldiers being stabbed in the back by either evil figures carrying the red flag of socialism or grossly caricatured Jews.

By the time of the Treaty of Versailles the following year, the myth was already well established. The harsh conditions imposed by the Allies, including painful reparation payments, burnished the sense of betrayal. It was especially incomprehensible that Germany, in just a couple of years, had gone from one of the world’s most respected nations to its biggest loser.

The startling aspect about the Dolchstosslegende is this: It did not grow weaker after 1918 but stronger. In the face of humiliation and unable or unwilling to cope with the truth, many Germans embarked on a disastrous self-delusion: The nation had been betrayed, but its honor and greatness could never be lost. And those without a sense of national duty and righteousness — the left and even the elected government of the new republic — could never be legitimate custodians of the country.

In this way, the myth was not just the sharp wedge that drove the Weimar Republic apart. It was also at the heart of Nazi propaganda, and instrumental in justifying violence against opponents. The key to Hitler’s success was that, by 1933, a considerable part of the German electorate had put the ideas embodied in the myth — honor, greatness, national pride — above democracy.

The Germans were so worn down by the lost war, unemployment and international humiliation that they fell prey to the promises of a “Führer” who cracked down hard on anyone perceived as “traitors,” leftists and Jews above all. The stab-in-the-back myth was central to it all. When Hitler became chancellor on Jan. 30, 1933, the Nazi newspaper Völkischer Beobachter wrote that “irrepressible pride goes through the millions” who fought so long to “undo the shame of 9 November 1918.”

Germany’s first democracy fell. Without a basic consensus built on a shared reality, society split into groups of ardent, uncompromising partisans. And in an atmosphere of mistrust and paranoia, the notion that dissenters were threats to the nation steadily took hold.

Alarmingly, that seems to be exactly what is happening in the United States today. According to the Pew Research Center, 89 percent of Trump supporters believe that a Joe Biden presidency would do “lasting harm to the U.S.,” while 90 percent of Biden supporters think the reverse. And while the question of which news media to trust has long split America, now even the largely unmoderated Twitter is regarded as partisan. Since the election, millions of Trump supporters have installed the alternative social media app Parler. Filter bubbles are turning into filter networks.

In such a landscape of social fragmentation, Mr. Trump’s baseless accusations about electoral fraud could do serious harm. A staggering 88 percent of Trump voters believe that the election result is illegitimate, according to a YouGov poll. A myth of betrayal and injustice is well underway.

It took another war and decades of reappraisal for the Dolchstosslegende to be exposed as a disastrous, fatal fallacy. If it has any worth today, it is in the lessons it can teach other nations. First among them: Beware the beginnings.

Jochen Bittner (@JochenBittner) is a co-head of the debate section for the weekly newspaper Die Zeit and a contributing opinion writer.

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boestar...this has the scent of your 'revolution' you had mentioned earlier.

It is too soon for history, which needs time to "meld". History is a blend of who-writes-it and who-reads-it; not "relative" by any means, but not fixed either. Churchill's "History of the English-speaking peoples" is one history, not "the" history. All this comes under a category that I prefer to view as, "The question is never innocent", or another way to deconstruct it could be, "What is the understanding that understands?" This isn't solipsistic, this is just recognizing what goes on every day for everyone, in ordinary discourse & conversation...one always "receives" and "transmits" on a specific frequency...one's tribe, one's profession, one's education/training, even one's age, birth-year and home-experience.

I will be watching increasingly from the sidelines, "as the younger generation takes the reins", so to speak. A little philosophical knowledge and exercise of inspecting assumptions without questioning them, can't harm any dialog, but these days it can make one feel hyper-defensive; that IS solipsistic, and that is part of the problem. On any one day and particular post, some of us here may wonder who has lost their marbles or who has a firm grip on reality, when "marbles" & "reality" are themselves maleable, always-and-already "on the move" these days! I think the key to keeping the dialog going is to recognize that understanding something is not the same as expressing a point-of-view.

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2 minutes ago, Jaydee said:

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And your point is?????   Both Trump and Hillary lost .   I hope Biden does better. But in his declining days ..... Trump scares me regarding what he might do before he loses his Presidential Powers. 

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13 hours ago, Malcolm said:

And your point is?????   Both Trump and Hillary lost

To begin with I have no skin in this game but If it needs being explained I guess the point wasn't very obvious.

But it does raise some interesting questions.

'We are led to believe that Republicans voters...held the Senate, won 11 more seats in the House, took an overwhelming lead in Governorships...but then mysteriously threw away their beliefs and voted down the big prize.? Hmmnnnn ? If it looks like **bleep**, smells like **bleep** and tastes like **bleep**....guess what...it's **bleep** !!

Did Trump lose? ...I believe he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of over turning the election . Not even the Donald can overcome this Tsunami of Chicanery. Was it a fair and honest election ...IMO a hard NO....the outcome was determined long before the first ballet was posted. One doesn't hide in your basement and come out with 80 million votes.

One example.....

"What surfaced during hearings in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, on November 25, 2020, may set the standard for electoral outrageousness. An expert testifying to the Pennsylvania Senate flagged a batch of ballots that recorded some 570,000 votes for Joe Biden and only 3,200 for Donald Trump.

Yes, you read that correctly. That would equate to Joe Biden bagging 99.4 percent of that enormous chunk of votes"

https://spectator.org/pennsylvania-bombshell-biden-99-4-vs-trump-0-6/

A mathematical and statistical impossibility .

And another....    https://mobile.twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1334569329334083586

Video footage from Georgia shows suitcases filled with ballots pulled from under a table AFTER supervisors told poll workers to leave room and 4 people stayed behind to keep counting votes

 

'Day in and day out Americans are coming into courtrooms and testifying under OATH, about election Fraud. And per normal...EVERY one is dismissed by a Democratic judge.

What did Trump learn from this election?....the swamp is 100 times deeper than he could have possibly imagined. Will he make the same mistake in 2024? Time will tell.

2022 should be an interesting mid term election.

Now to more important things...

 

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50 minutes ago, Jaydee said:

 

 

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Hopefully only as much as when they saw Roosevelt  in a wheelchair. 

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Roosevelt won a third term by defeating Republican nominee Wendell Willkie in the 1940 United States presidential election. He remains the only president to serve for more than two terms.

 

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12 hours ago, Jaydee said:

To begin with I have no skin in this game but If it needs being explained I guess the point wasn't very obvious.

But it does raise some interesting questions.

'We are led to believe that Republicans voters...held the Senate, won 11 more seats in the House, took an overwhelming lead in Governorships...but then mysteriously threw away their beliefs and voted down the big prize.? Hmmnnnn ? If it looks like **bleep**, smells like **bleep** and tastes like **bleep**....guess what...it's **bleep** !!

Did Trump lose? ...I believe he doesn't have a snowballs chance in hell of over turning the election . Not even the Donald can overcome this Tsunami of Chicanery. Was it a fair and honest election ...IMO a hard NO....the outcome was determined long before the first ballet was posted. One doesn't hide in your basement and come out with 80 million votes.

One example.....

"What surfaced during hearings in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, on November 25, 2020, may set the standard for electoral outrageousness. An expert testifying to the Pennsylvania Senate flagged a batch of ballots that recorded some 570,000 votes for Joe Biden and only 3,200 for Donald Trump.

Yes, you read that correctly. That would equate to Joe Biden bagging 99.4 percent of that enormous chunk of votes"

https://spectator.org/pennsylvania-bombshell-biden-99-4-vs-trump-0-6/

A mathematical and statistical impossibility .

And another....    https://mobile.twitter.com/TeamTrump/status/1334569329334083586

Video footage from Georgia shows suitcases filled with ballots pulled from under a table AFTER supervisors told poll workers to leave room and 4 people stayed behind to keep counting votes

 

'Day in and day out Americans are coming into courtrooms and testifying under OATH, about election Fraud. And per normal...EVERY one is dismissed by a Democratic judge.

What did Trump learn from this election?....the swamp is 100 times deeper than he could have possibly imagined. Will he make the same mistake in 2024? Time will tell.

2022 should be an interesting mid term election.

Now to more important things...

 

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Trump shot himself in the foot trying to lay the groundwork to call the election a fraud.  A perfect display of his ineptitude.  

He told his supporters that Mail in ballots would not be counted blah...blah...blah.  So only the engaged supporters got off their butts and out of their double wides to cast a ballot.  

Democrats on the other hand decided to prove a VALID point and mail in their ballots because it was quick and easy and would not expose you to crowds and Covid.  Smart move.

So when the votes are counted, the in person ballots are counted first.  Here we had a lot of Trump votes.  Then they got to the mail in ballots and they were overwhelmingly Democrat because Republicans wouldn't mail in a ballot because Trump told them not to.

Had trump left it alone and kept his big trap shut, he likely would have taken it.  But you can't expect intelligence from an idiot

 

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Remember the new norm - you must take everything the President says at face-value and cannot claim it's a figure-of-speech, slip-of-the-tongue or humour.  What he says is the actual, literal truth.
 
The best part is the look on Kamala's face when he says it.

 

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Really now, I know it's none of my business, I know it's not my problem, I know I have no say in the outcome.... but is it just me or do they qualify as hideous creatures that deserve full sanction for their sins?

Back in October, the WH proposed a package worth .... wait for it now.... twice the size of the one Pelosi is now supporting.

Frankly it's unfathomable to me. I sincerely hope that's  because I'm too stupid to understand it all and it's not for the partisan reasons I suspect it is: 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/pelosi-coronavirus-relief-new-president

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Pushback in LALA land. The big picture is now Joe's problem ...ENJOY !!  though no doubt he will blame Trump.

 

The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Office in Southern California said Friday it will not utilize law enforcement patrols to enforce Gov. Gavin Newsom's latest coronavirus mitigation orders.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/san-bernardino-county-sheriff-newsom-lockdowns-enforcement?fbclid=IwAR23lYCnwhe2FjkIGCg1W9ZFN_j_obEyZUf_-0FxKunhL7X40P5umlUZYKg

 

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5 hours ago, Jaydee said:

The San Bernardino County Sheriff's Office in Southern California said Friday it will not utilize law enforcement patrols to enforce Gov. Gavin Newsom's latest coronavirus mitigation orders.

 

Heck of a way to run a country eh?

You have mass polarization in the voters, blatant hypocrisy and partisanship among politicians, sanctuary cities, sanctuary counties and sanctuary states all ignoring federal and/or state laws they don't like..... and now (a recent addition IMO), municipal police forces who decide unilaterally that they simply won't enforce emergency orders they don't agree with. You might as well have war lords and independent armed militia groups.

Of the evils listed, mindless political polarization stands as the glue that holds this epidemic of stupid together IMO. Most startling to me is the insatiable appetite for more. I'm eager to see at what point they shout uncle. There's tweaking a good thing to make it better then there's burning it all down without a replacement.... or even the resolve (or spirit of cooperation) required to formulate a new one.

I think you will find very few legitimate refugees who think this bodes well for the future, yet few people take a moment to even consider why that might be.... 

Before long, the people who fed the beast when it was young and cute will fear being devoured by it as a ravenous adult:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/obama-propaganda-journalism-truth-decay

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Fact check: Quote attributed to Joe Biden about antifa is missing context

 
 

The claim: Joe Biden said 'Antifa is an idea, not an organization'

Of the many quotable statements from the first presidential debate on Tuesday, Sept. 29, Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden's assertion about the anti-fascist movement antifa was especially memorable.

"His own FBI director said ... antifa is an idea, not an organization," Biden said, referring to President Donald Trump and FBI Director Chris Wray. 

The comment was prompted by debate moderator Chris Wallace's question to Trump about his willingness to condemn white supremacists and militia groups.

"Who would you like me to condemn?" Trump asked.

"The Proud Boys," Biden said.

The Proud Boys have been designated a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center because of its white supremacist and anti-Muslim sentiments.

 "Proud Boys – stand back and stand by," Trump said, according to USA TODAY. "But I'll tell you what, somebody's got to do something about antifa and the left."

Before the debate ended, Biden's statement about antifa found its way to social media.

"'A quote from joe biden 'Antifa is an idea not an organization,'" a Facebook user posted on Sept. 29.

USA TODAY reached out to the user for comment.

Fact check:Post about Joe Biden and the Green New Deal is missing context

 
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