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On 6/20/2020 at 1:54 PM, Jaydee said:

A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves largesse from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates promising the most benefits from the public treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy, always followed by a dictatorship.” - 


Ain't that the truth.

The number of people who vote for whoever lines their pockets hastens the descent.... and these people are breeding. They justify it in many ways, the most common being all politicians are crooked so I vote for the one who enriches me the most. Mostly the domain of liberal voters unable to divine the trajectory and unwilling to pay for what they say they think they might maybe want.

It's a short sighted Roman thing IMO, instead of Rome, and all roads lead to JT.

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I don’t think you’d need to compile a list....going through the tyee could easily just insert Trudeau’s name into the wrongdoings!

Indeed, maybe auto correct is an NDP invention. It seems that only liberals can elicit that sort of illicit behaviour from a computer.... it causes them to automatically cast all liberals in the 

What was amusing were the questions in QP yesterday.....the cons were peppering the libs with questions about a budget but it took a set up question from lib Mark Gerretson (tool!) for Freeland to ann

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A Fall election becoming more likely by the day..



Bloc Leader Wants Trudeau To Step Aside For Freeland Amid WE Scandal

“ This could be a big deal.

If Trudeau loses the support of the Bloc, that leaves him with the NDP only. But after allowing Trudeau to keep Parliament shut for most of the summer, Jagmeet Singh has been increasingly aggressive in attacking Trudeau from the left, claiming Trudeau has done less on ‘police reform’ than Donald Trump.

In his arrogance, Trudeau appears to have forgotten that the Canadian People took away much of his power in the last campaign, and a strengthened Opposition could take away the rest of it by demanding he take a hike.“

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1 hour ago, Fido said:

Freeland would be no better.

Perhaps but in that we do not have a choice, who knows maybe it would convince Justin, to retire from politics and start spending some of his own money in addition to his  life time parliament pension. ? 




April Scott-Clarke | October 25, 2010

At a time when most Canadians have seen their retirement savings decrease, those on Parliament Hill have been seen theirs grow 10%, reports the Toronto Sun. And, pensions for MPs are also indexed for life with the payments growing at a rate of 3.3% per year.

MPs must be 55 years of age to qualify for their pension payments, but they can collect a pension of $28,000 annually after serving six years in the House of Commons. Long-serving MPs can see even larger payouts. Jean Chrétien, who served for more than 30 years in the Commons, has a pension estimated at more than $300,000 per year.

Last week we reported that the Canadian Federation of Independent Business (CFIB) is calling for the mayors of three New Brunswick towns to de-index municipal pensions to address growing pension deficits.

Maybe the CFIB should look at what the federal government is doing before it attacks those at the municipal level. Related Content


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Problem not WE – it’s PM

Trudeau, Liberals still don’t get why they’re wrong

  • Toronto Sun
  • 18 Jul 2020

The Liberals warned against spending too much time looking into the WE fiasco by claiming that it wasn’t the role of parliamentary committees to examine the Trudeau Liberals giving a near $1-billion sole-sourced contract to a charity closely tied to the government.

I mean, why have MPS look into the government giving a sweet deal to their friends.

The Commons Ethics Committee was the same one that didn’t think they needed to hear from Ethics Commissioner Mario Dion on the SNC Lavalin affair.

At least that was the view of the Liberal and Bloc Quebecois majority earlier this year.

Friday was the second day of MPS holding hearings into the disastrous program that was killed off a week ago amid questions to both the government and the charity that neither wanted to answer.

At the ethics committee the question was about payments to the PM’S family from the WE organization for past speaking engagements and how that may have impacted decisions to pay them.

I don’t know about you but having listened to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau’s mother, Margaret, and his brother, Alexandre, I would ask for a refund if I had been admitted for free.

There is no world where I would be willing to pay to hear either of them speak.

There also isn’t a world where anyone would pay them on average between $5,000 and $11,500 per speech if they were not related to the PM.

Neither of them are good public speakers and neither of them are worth that kind of money without the family relationship (you can see examples on Youtube).

Speaking fee

None of us are privy to the decisions on whether to hire Margaret or Alexandre Trudeau as speakers, but I can tell you, as someone who has been hired out as a speaker, being related to the current PM would have sent my speaking fee skyrocketing.

How many other organizations hired out Margaret or Alexandre Trudeau for speaking gigs outside of WE after Justin Trudeau became PM or even Liberal leader?

That is something that the majority on the Commons Ethics Committee would like to know but that the Liberals would like to block by speaking Latin, Esperanto or any other dead language that they can to stop the proceedings from getting to the bottom of the matter.

We now know that WE, the charity group, not only pitched this idea first before the civil service mentioned it but that it stood to make $43 million from the deal, not the $19 million previously claimed.

The Trudeau government has been less than honest about this whole affair from the beginning.

The problem with the contract, or “contribution agreement,” as the government would like to call it is not WE, it is the Trudeau Liberals.

Who doesn’t get that having your family receive more than $353,000 from an organization means that you shouldn’t vote for giving them a cozy contract?

How could Trudeau’s finance minister, natural resources minister and chief of staff not know that they should have stepped away from this decision given their close ties?

Trudeau and Bill Morneau may have mouthed the words, “I’m sorry,” but they haven’t shown that they actually understand they ever did anything wrong.

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Party continues to be mired in controversy over WE

  • Calgary Sun
  • 19 Jul 2020
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img?regionKey=iKagCGxswjUn7i8O0oKiPQ%3d%3dMATTDAY/ POSTMEDIANETWORKFILES Justin Trudeau and wife Sophie Gregoire-Trudeau are flanked by WE Day co-founders Craig, left, and Marc Kielburger.

TORONTO — It’s a scandal like none I’ve seen that has rocked the Trudeau government and spawned at least five investigations into the government’s actions.

Even CNN has speculated that this could bring down the Trudeau Liberals.

I’m not sure about that, but it is a story that keeps on revealing more.

What started out as an attempt to help young people financially by introducing the Canada Student Service Grant has morphed into something else. The allegation is that this contract was just too cozy, that Justin Trudeau and others in his government were simply too close to the people getting a $912 million solesourced contract.

Along with giving the government headaches, this saga has shaken one of the biggest charities in the country.

Keeping track of it all can be difficult, so let me try to help summarize the main points as well as how and when it all went down.

For a charity supposedly focused on helping people in the developing world, WE certainly owns a lot of real estate. As first reported by the Sun, WE combined with the affiliated charity

Imagine 1 Day, the ME to WE Foundation and ME to WE Asset Holdings Inc, owns a full block of Queen St. E. between Parliament and Berkeley Sts. in Toronto.

WE Charity listed the properties as being worth $43.7 million in their 2018 filing with the Canada Revenue Agency. The affiliated groups spent more than $38 million buying up 15 connected properties in an area ripe for gentrification.

WE says plans to build a WE Social Entrepreneurship Centre at the location have been put on hold due to COVID-19.

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Any  bets Trudeau will come out with a new "giveaway" program to widen the gap and  buy the election again ?

" A new poll by Abacus Data  generally seen by many as a Liberal-friendly pollster – shows the Liberals losing support amid the WE Charity Scandal.

Since the June Abacus survey, the Liberals have dropped four points, to 36%.

The Conservatives are up 2 points, to 31%, meaning the Liberal lead has fallen from 11 points to just 5.

The NDP rounds out the top three with 16%."

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Liberal MP resigns amid Trudeau's WE scandal

" Justin Trudeau's thin minority has been weakened again this week after the Toronto-based MP Michael Levitt resigned from the Liberal Party. 

Levitt's resignation was rather abrupt, and he has announced that he was offered the role of CEO at the Canadian Friends of the Simon Wiesenthal Centre. This has taken the Liberal Party's minority down to 155 seats, according to Blacklock's Reporter."



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Trudeau, Morneau, Telford must resign, or trigger an election: Blanchet



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OTTAWA — The leader of the Bloc Quebecois says if Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Finance Minister Bill Morneau and Katie Telford, the prime minister’s chief of staff, don’t resign, he will try to trigger an election in October.

Yves-Francois Blanchet told reporters today revelations in the WE controversy — as well as new details about a contract for small-business rent relief that went to a company employing Telford’s husband — have demonstrated the Liberal government is no longer trustworthy.

Blanchet says even though the country is still grappling with COVID-19, keeping people in office who are “mismanaging” the government would be more dangerous than sending Canadians to the polls in a pandemic.

He says that’s why he is issuing an ultimatum to Trudeau and Morneau — quit or he will move a motion of non-confidence this fall.


The Bloc leader says he has not yet had discussions with other opposition leaders to see if he would have the necessary support from at least one other party to successfully trigger an election.

Trudeau and Morneau are under investigation by the ethics watchdog for possible conflicts of interest arising from the government’s decision to hand administration of a student grant program to WE Charity.

Their ethical conduct will also be put under an opposition microscope today during a rare summer sitting of the House of Commons — but the prime minister won’t be there.

Trudeau is on vacation with his family and his office says he won’t be cutting it short to attend the special parliamentary sitting.

It’s not clear that Morneau will be there either.


Both Trudeau and Morneau have close family connections to WE Charity and have apologized for not recusing themselves from the decision to give it the student grant contract.

Trudeau’s office points out that the prime minister has already testified at length about the controversy before the Commons finance committee, as have Morneau, other ministers and senior bureaucrats.

But today’s sitting of the Commons offers a larger stage and more time for opposition parties to mount their attacks on the government’s alleged ethical lapses.

The chamber normally does not sit at all during the summer. Under special procedural rules adopted during the COVID-19 pandemic, the government agreed to have the Commons sit twice in July and twice in August.

Today’s sitting is to last almost four hours, with most MPs participating virtually along with a handful physically present in the chamber. The session includes 95 minutes for opposition MPs to grill the government in a sort of extended question period, and more than two hours for a “take-note” debate on the government’s response to the pandemic.

There is no opportunity for opposition parties to try to defeat Trudeau’s minority government with a motion of non-confidence — which Conservative and Bloc MPs have previously suggested they might otherwise be tempted to do given the ethical cloud hanging over the Liberals.

Opposition MPs may yet have another chance to grill Trudeau directly about the WE Charity affair. In two weeks, the Commons is to hold its second special sitting this month before resuming its normal schedule on Sept. 21.

They may try to call the prime minister as a witness before the multiple committees now probing the controversy.

The ethics committee has already invited Trudeau to appear, though he has not yet responded.

The government operations committee is also to launch an inquiry into the affair once the finance committee wraps up its study. And the official languages committee is to meet today to consider a Conservative request that it too launch a study into why an anglophone charity was chosen to deliver the student grant program.

Many of the same witnesses have already appeared before multiple committees. Employment Minister Carla Qualtrough is to testify today at the finance committee, one day after testifying at the ethics committee.

On Tuesday, the ethics committee also heard from Youth Minister Bardish Chagger, the cabinet member responsible for the grant program, and the top federal public servant, Ian Shugart — both of whom testified before the finance committee late last month.

Trudeau and his ministers, backed up by bureaucrats, have insisted that it was public servants who recommended WE Charity as the only organization capable of managing the student grant program, which has since been abandoned due to the controversy.

The government had budgeted $912 million for the program, which was supposed to encourage students to sign up for volunteer work related to the COVID-19 pandemic. However, the agreement to have WE Charity administer the program put the cost at $543 million.

WE Charity was to be paid up to $43.5 million under the agreement, which stipulated that the organization could not make money on the deal.

Trudeau has been a featured speaker at six WE Day events and his wife hosts a podcast for the group, for which they have not been paid. However, the charity has covered hundreds of thousands in expenses for Sophie Gregoire Trudeau as well as fees and expenses paid to Trudeau’s mother and brother for speaking at numerous WE events over the years.

One of Morneau’s daughters works for the organization, another has spoken at its events and his wife has donated $100,000. Morneau also revealed last month that he had repaid some $41,000 in expenses that WE had paid for him and his family in 2017 for trips to view two of its humanitarian projects in Ecuador and Kenya.

Opposition parties are also attempting to expand the ethical cloud to include the delivery of another emergency program — this one to provide rent relief for small businesses during the pandemic.

The government handed responsibility for the program to the Canada Mortgage and Housing Corp. but the Crown corporation decided to contract it out to MCAP, a mortgage lender that employs Telford’s husband. The contract was initially worth $56 million when the rent-relief program was launched in May and later expanded to $84 million in July.

The Prime Minister’s Office says CMHC independently chose to outsource the program.

The PMO says Telford alerted the ethics commissioner in January, when her husband became a senior executive at MCAP, and was advised she didn’t need to set up an ethics screen. She nevertheless voluntarily set up a screen to ensure she would not be involved in anything that might benefit the company.

This report by The Canadian Press was first published Aug. 12, 2020.


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On 8/12/2020 at 2:51 PM, Marshall said:

The leader of the Bloc Quebecois says if Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, Finance Minister Bill Morneau and Katie Telford, the prime minister’s chief of staff, don’t resign, he will try to trigger an election in October.

Never in a million years would I have guessed the BQ, a party whose sole purpose is the destruction of Canada, turn out to be its saviour.

2020 really is one screwed up year !!!

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" Media are reporting that Trudeau is about to close down Parliament for several months, during a pandemic, then come back with a Speech from the Throne, and then a budget. They are going to close down all committee hearings that have been exposing all of their wrong-doing on the WE scandal. 

We all know what this means. An election is coming. "

A prorogation would end the current Parliamentary session, killing all legislative business that has not passed. In this case it would mean halting all ongoing WE Charity committee probes should they still be underway come next month, and wiping away the remaining pre-pandemic pieces of legislation. It’s possible for bills and committee work to be reinstated with a motion during a new session. "

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OTTAWA — Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has asked Gov. Gen. Julie Payette to prorogue Parliament, promising to come back with a new throne speech next month to reset his Liberal government's agenda in the wake of the COVID-19 pandemic.


Trudeau announced Parliament will return Sept. 23, which is two days after the House of Commons was initially scheduled to resume sitting after having reduced operations this spring due to the COVID-19 pandemic.

The move will reset the legislative agenda, shutting down committees — along with their probes of the WE Charity controversy — and clearing away any unfinished work or bills left on the order paper.

Duck and cover tactics.  Shut Parliament down until end of Sept. so committees (investigation WE etc.) will not meet and therefore the press will be reporting on other things..   Public likely to concentrate on other matters (the virus, forest fires, hurricanes etc.) allowing the Liberals to regain some of their virtue. ?

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If your thinking that mean old Harper had a lock on prorogation.....


Jean Chrétien was also criticized for his use of prorogation in 2002 and 2003.

And yet another promise from Trudeau bites the dust as he attempts to save his political skin as he bankrupts the country....


Trudeau's Liberals denounced the abuse of prorogation in their 2015 campaign platform.

"We will not resort to legislative tricks to avoid scrutiny. Stephen Harper has used prorogation to avoid difficult political circumstances. We will not," it read.


But many Canadians want to know why Trudeau decided to prorogue the government after years of voicing his opposition against the tactic, a staple of the previous Conservative regime.  

“Marching against prorogation in (Montreal). You know it's a good day when even the Communist Party comes out for democracy,” Trudeau tweeted in 2010 when former Conservative prime minister Stephen Harper reset his government. And in 2015, the Liberal government promised never to use prorogation. “Stephen Harper has used prorogation to avoid difficult political circumstances. We will not,” the party’s plan for a healthy middle class said.

Sunny Ways, my friends....Sunny Ways.


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Not a lock by any means.

I have always said, all politicians are greasy.  It's the nature of the beast.

Just don't forget that in comparison, Harper was far greasier and more dangerous to Canada.

And Harper is still pulling the puppet strings from the shadows.

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9 hours ago, deicer said:

Not a lock by any means.

I have always said, all politicians are greasy.  It's the nature of the beast.

Just don't forget that in comparison, Harper was far greasier and more dangerous to Canada.

And Harper is still pulling the puppet strings from the shadows.

One of the more delusional posts on this board in quite some time

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I in no way liked Harper, but the fact the leftist to this day think he's a puppet master says to me he was a more effective PM than he really was to the left.  The conspiracy theory is right up there with Bill Gates being behind the 'rona virus for world domination.  And, given the choice, I'd reluctantly choose Harper over corrupt Trudeau.


Also to clarify, I in no way vote Liberal, so I didn't vote for the Turd. (and I also didn't vote Harper)

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49 minutes ago, AIP said:

One of the more delusional posts on this board in quite some time

Harper was more dangerous to Canada?  More dangerous than Justin?  "Delusional" as a descriptor doesn't even come close!  There is only one thing I hold against Harper - that he didn't stack the Senate when he had the chance.

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With FIPA, Harper Shows There’s More than One Way to Skin a Constitution

Why else would he sign such a crappy deal?

How Stephen Harper is destroying the Conservative party

It's Stephen Harper's party — and he'll do what he wants to

Conservative Party will need to evolve, but Harper still defines it as leadership race heats up

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Do you really think that Harper is worse than Trudeau?

 The ethics violations and the We scandal (and the efforts to suppress information through prorogation, which he said he would never use!)  clearly do not support your position.

Let alone the hypocrisy..the holier than Thou attitude  of this guy.......

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Definitely an election in the fall.

Temporary Help Services for Electoral Events

Amendment date    2020/08/19
Date closinG.     2020/09/02 14:00 Eastern Daylight Time (EDT


The Chief Electoral Officer of Canada (“CEOC”), an agent of Parliament, exercises general direction and supervision over the conduct of elections and referendums at the federal level. The CEOC heads the Office of the Chief Electoral Officer, commonly known as Elections Canada.

As part of its readiness planning activities for a general election or referendum, Elections Canada has a requirement for up to 250 temporary help resources on standby ready to be quickly deployed

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