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"The order would be a mix of A321LR-XLR and A330neo."  

 

Don't forget about the 350s.  Need a bunch of them too.

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16 hours ago, J.O. said:

A350 and the Max are in different segments. 

That I know but perhaps AC is looking at one proven aircraft manufacturer. Good time to walk away from the MAX

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6 hours ago, Super 80 said:

Air Canada has been negotiating for further A321s for years, Airbus just hasn't been able to offer desirable delivery slots.

Negotiating for years probably hasn’t improved that situation. 😄

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The A330 part is also interesting because of this: https://www.newswire.ca/news-releases/air-canada-announces-establishment-of-airframe-maintenance-centres-of-excellence-with-aar-in-trois-rivieres-and-avianor-in-mirabel-819232970.html

 

 

Air Canada announces establishment of Airframe Maintenance Centres of Excellence with AAR in Trois-Rivières and Avianor in Mirabel

MONTREAL, Feb. 24, 2020 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada has entered into letters of intent with each of AAR Aircraft Services Trois-Rivières ULC ("AAR") and Avianor Inc ("Avianor") regarding long-term agreements for airframe maintenance, subject to completion of its planned merger with Transat, A.T. These long-term agreements would enable each of AAR and Avianor to develop Airframe Maintenance Centres of Excellence in Quebec for the aircraft types within their areas of expertise, both stimulating new investment in aerospace in Quebec and creating more high-quality aircraft maintenance jobs.

The larger combined Airbus A330 fleet of Air Canada and Air Transat would enable Air Canada to move wide-body A330 maintenance work for both airlines from abroad to AAR in Trois-Rivières, in addition to maintaining and expanding AAR's airframe maintenance work in Quebec on the A320 family, including all new A321 neo aircraft.

In addition, Avianor would establish a new Centre of Excellence for Air Canada's new Airbus A220 fleet (formerly the Bombardier C-Series) in Mirabel, adjacent to Airbus' manufacturing facilities.

The letters of intent are subject to completion of final agreements which will include terms generally applicable to airframe maintenance agreements of this scale. 

 

 

 

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If Airbus were ever to commit to the A220-500, AC would be an ideal customer.

It used to be that price was everything. Boeing had the reputation as the deepest price discounter. After the MAX fiasco, that rule may no longer be preeminent.

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5 hours ago, Rich Pulman said:

Negotiating for years probably hasn’t improved that situation. 😄

Not really, Air Canada was able to obtain new and used A321s on the open market.

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1 hour ago, Super 80 said:

Not really, Air Canada was able to obtain new and used A321s on the open market.

Agreed - one of the hallmarks of the current management at AC is a willingness to take on value frames on the used market rather than go exclusively with new frames. This is particularly true of the 330 market where most of the aircraft added have been used, but not especially old. It picked up four SQ 330s in 2018. SQ is well known to retire aircraft early in order to bring in new aircraft. It picked up four WoW 321ceos at what was likely a very attractive price given the state of the cash-poor, now deceased Norwegian carrier at the time. 

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1 hour ago, dagger said:

Agreed - one of the hallmarks of the current management at AC is a willingness to take on value frames on the used market rather than go exclusively with new frames. This is particularly true of the 330 market where most of the aircraft added have been used, but not especially old. It picked up four SQ 330s in 2018. SQ is well known to retire aircraft early in order to bring in new aircraft. It picked up four WoW 321ceos at what was likely a very attractive price given the state of the cash-poor, now deceased Norwegian carrier at the time. 

Some 320s were acquired from Interjet as well.

The ex-Wow 321s at Rouge are—for now, anyway—in a 200 Y, rather than the 16 J/184 Y configuration that the rest of the Rouge fleet uses.  They’re noticeably more comfortable in Y than the other Rouge 321s are.

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On 2/24/2020 at 4:19 PM, FA@AC said:

Some 320s were acquired from Interjet as well.

The ex-Wow 321s at Rouge are—for now, anyway—in a 200 Y, rather than the 16 J/184 Y configuration that the rest of the Rouge fleet uses.  They’re noticeably more comfortable in Y than the other Rouge 321s are.

unless you sit just ahead of the emergency exit... Ask me how I know.

 

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On 2/24/2020 at 11:29 AM, dagger said:

Agreed - one of the hallmarks of the current management at AC is a willingness to take on value frames on the used market rather than go exclusively with new frames. This is particularly true of the 330 market where most of the aircraft added have been used, but not especially old. It picked up four SQ 330s in 2018. SQ is well known to retire aircraft early in order to bring in new aircraft. It picked up four WoW 321ceos at what was likely a very attractive price given the state of the cash-poor, now deceased Norwegian carrier at the time. 

Interesting. In addition to most of their Max8's there's also an A330-300 stored at Marana.

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Fin 945 is there in the new livery, I saw some pictures... I hear its waiting for a new interior to be available.

 

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10 hours ago, Maverick said:

Interesting. In addition to most of their Max8's there's also an A330-300 stored at Marana.

The way the travel industry is heading right now their may be more parked there!

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planes don't fly when the sky is falling.  Make sure you have Toilet paper

 

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