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https://www.foxnews.com/health/cases-inflammatory-condition-mis-c-children-spike-pediatric-hospital

Finding answers to basic questions about multi system inflammation vs spike protein toxicity has been a bit like pulling teeth for me. Previously, none of the smart kids would comment for fear of being fired or de-platformed. It remains one of my three unanswered questions and one of the reasons I avoided the vaccine. So ya, it’s that old “answer the question and be polite when you do it” thingy. I simply don’t know the answers here and it grieves me that the smart kids who do have been hiding for 18 months.

Spike protein toxicity suggests to my (feeble high school biology) mind that there is an allergic reaction to the protein itself taking place here. As with insect venom, multiple exposures are usually required to cause severe inflammation in people who are allergic. They wouldn’t even know they were allergic until the symptoms presented. I was stung many (and I mean many) times before I developed a sensitivity to insect venom.

The high transmission rate with Omicron suggests (I think) that children, or others for that matter, could have shrugged off numerous omicron exposures prior to becoming acutely sensitive after a sufficient number of individual exposures. It’s why (to me) early treatment rather than inoculation is the key to success. Deliberately teaching your cells to produce a potential toxin simply doesn’t compute for me.

This is/was the crux of my concern on two separate fronts. Maybe long covid is nothing more than an allergic reaction to the spike protein that’s been left untreated. Without Prednisone, the inflammation I get from venom would continue (virtually) forever. The second front (again IMO) is circulating protein from the vaccine itself triggering a firestorm reaction to an exposure (that followed multiple previous exposures) in sensitive individuals. The nightmare scenario IMO.

If nothing else, as more information comes to light I become more and more appalled that rational debate at the Phd level about such things was banned. There is clearly a "get vaccinated" slant in this article but my questions remain and it seems the jury is still out as to vacs status being contributory or not. 

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https://www.foxnews.com/health/covid-19-seems-to-increase-risk-of-serious-heart-ailments-year-after-recovery-report

It certainly begs the protein toxicity question eh?

Is it a direct inflammatory reaction to the spike protein and does the reaction care whether the protein was acquired in the wild or from the vaccine acting in response to an exposure... even if the antibodies produced are ineffective against the strain that triggered the immune response? 

I remain gobsmacked that simply discussing this stuff was, up until recently, the exclusive domain of tinfoil hatters and Trumpers.

Deliberately withholding early and aggressive treatment with cheap and readily available medications may just become the crime of the century. And perhaps, the mass hysteria surrounding "depressed horses with intestinal worms" will be studied by future generations seeking to avoid similar results.

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On top of that I'm afraid I miss the logic in their plan for all this. We have been taking the vaccine for 2 years now. Canadians apparently are pretty much the most highly vaccinated people in the world plus all the lockdowns and masking that we have followed through on. So now after 2 years we have found that we have more cases than ever and their solution is more vaccines. How does that make sense?

 

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7 minutes ago, GDR said:

On top of that I'm afraid I miss the logic in their plan for all this. We have been taking the vaccine for 2 years now. Canadians apparently are pretty much the most highly vaccinated people in the world plus all the lockdowns and masking that we have followed through on. So now after 2 years we have found that we have more cases than ever and their solution is more vaccines. How does that make sense?

 


 

This has Trudeau  written all over it !

 

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1 hour ago, GDR said:

On top of that I'm afraid I miss the logic in their plan for all this. We have been taking the vaccine for 2 years now. Canadians apparently are pretty much the most highly vaccinated people in the world plus all the lockdowns and masking that we have followed through on. So now after 2 years we have found that we have more cases than ever and their solution is more vaccines. How does that make sense?

 

Only if you subscribe to the theory that the virus is mutating in the human petri dishes that are being provided by the unvaccinated 

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3 hours ago, GDR said:

So now after 2 years we have found that we have more cases than ever and their solution is more vaccines. How does that make sense?

It seems to me that the notion of herd immunity by vaccination has been completely abandoned, the signal was given and all talk of that has been absent for a while now.

There’s no shortage of people who will say that the vaccine was never intended to prevent infection or spread, only to reduce hospitalization and severe outcomes… but cast your mind back a bit, that very clearly wasn’t the original position. It was modified in the media and has now evolved into a talking point. This was even predicted by some of the banned, bad boy Phd’s because the vaccine antibodies are circulatory and not expressed in mucus membrane which is the main point of entry. That seems to make sense… at least to me.

As I recall, basic biology suggests that mass vaccination during an ongoing pandemic is a recipe for mutations, and that makes sense too. In addition, the Omicron variant was spread around the globe by fully vaccinated travellers and it has largely evaded the current vaccine by virtue of its mutations. Moving forward, it would seem reasonable to expect variant specific seasonal vaccines similar to the current flu shot.     

That said, it still seems to me that the inflammation associated with more severe covid cases is an allergic reaction to the spike protein, suggesting that aggressive early treatment is the magic bullet and not a vaccine intended to create the very protein that is (possibly) causing the inflammation in the first place. This is one of my dilemmas with the vaccine and I simply won’t buy into it until my questions are answered or sufficient time elapses to prove those concerns groundless.

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4 hours ago, GDR said:

More Liberals defect from the defective Liberal position. 

 https://globalnews.ca/news/8611771/liberals-joel-lightbound-vaccines-rhetoric/

If enough Liberal MP’s break ranks Trudeau will run like a scared little cat to the bargaining table. With now 4 or 5 Libs against him, his government could be brought down. 
 

I remember vividly Pierre Trudeau telling me personally re the pilots walking out over the French language issue in ATC.

He said “ The biggest threat to my government was when the pilots walked out. If they had stayed out one more week my government would have fell”

 

Hold tight truckers, the finish line is in sight 

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On 2/10/2022 at 10:54 PM, Wolfhunter said:

it still seems to me that the inflammation associated with more severe covid cases is an allergic reaction to the spike protein

https://www.foxnews.com/health/antihistamines-help-resolve-long-covid-report

Imagine an antihistamine being of value here.... who'd a thunk eh?

Even cooler.... Doctors can now talk about such things without getting fired.

 

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On 2/10/2022 at 10:54 PM, Wolfhunter said:

This was even predicted by some of the banned, bad boy Phd’s because the vaccine antibodies are circulatory and not expressed in mucus membrane which is the main point of entry. That seems to make sense… at least to me.

Here's a direct quote from the comments section of the article above. I've read about this but you really have (or previously had) to search for it.... it was only discussed by bad boys who were banned and de-platformed.

Is it true? I don't know but my real question is why was discussion of the possibility banned? I'm starting to form an opinion on that question too. At $15 a month can y'all guess what it is?

What hasn't gotten the press it deserves are the effectiness of nasal allergy sprays that contain the corticosteroid fluticasone that clings to the ACE 2 receptors in the nasal passage that not only prevent pollen from entering your system but Covid also. ACE 2 receptors are the doorways that Covid uses to gain access to our bodies. Using the nasal spray is better than wear 10 N95 masks at the same time. Cost $15.00 for a month supply.

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https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-330111634396

Fact checks from a year (or more) ago are interesting to look back on. The element of truth here doesn’t answer the question (at least not my mine), it deliberately deflects it.

My concern is allergic reaction and gross inflammation caused by the spike protein expressed in response to a virus exposure that the vaccine itself can’t counter because of mutation. The nightmare scenario is a firestorm of inflammation in sensitive individuals who would only become sensitized after repeated exposures… like bee stings. In other words, the vaccine itself didn’t hurt you, your allergic reaction to the spike protein did.

The answers may be complicated, but, and it’s a great big honking mother of a but,  knowing enough to pose the question most assuredly isn’t… this is a high school biology stuff. Labeling a question politely posed as misinformation, ridiculing it, and then deliberately deflecting it is deceitful IMO. It requires you to possess the same mindset as the creature who invoked an Emergencies Act intended for world wars.

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Real life Two Solitudes……

Ontario judge rules mother doesn’t have to vaccinate children against COVID-19

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ontario-judge-rules-mother-doesnt-have-to-vaccinate-children-against/

 

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Quebec mom loses appeal to prevent kids, aged six and eight, from getting COVID-19 vaccine

https://montreal.ctvnews.ca/quebec-mom-loses-appeal-to-prevent-kids-aged-six-and-eight-from-getting-covid-19-vaccine-1.5799142

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Here is another example of why you don’t want to listen to the left wing frauds.

This example is about the vaccine. It is best to put aside opinions of the efficacy of vaccines and think of it as something that was designed with the intention of saving you life or health, regardless of what one may feel about how well it is actually working(and in the future, there may be a situation where a vaccine truly is effective).

Last summer, there was a huge push to send vaccines to other countries instead of using it for us. Therefore, a lot of people were delayed in getting their third shot because our government was willing to sacrifice your health and send vaccines overseas. 

Take a look at an example here of what happens. Meanwhile, many Canadians were desperate for a third shot just two months ago after a delayed rollout.

While this particular case does not involve Canadian-purchased vaccine, it makes the point.

“Health authorities in Guatemala say over a million doses of the Russian Sputnik coronavirus vaccine have expired, because nobody wanted to take the shot.

Francisco Coma, the country’s health minister, said Monday that there was a “rejection” among the population toward the vaccine, even though a lot of Guatemalans remain unvaccinated.

Only about 43% of the country’s 12.6 million inhabitants over age 11 are fully vaccinated, in a country whose total population is 17 million.

It was unclear if people had any particular doubts about the Russian vaccine, or if they were unwilling to take any vaccine.

“We have tried to make available all the vaccines of different brands, to the public,” Coma said. “Unfortunately, there has been a rejection among the public to vaccination.”

The wasted shots cost the government about $11 million, Coma said.

An additional 1.7 million doses of the second Sputnik dose, which is different from the first, will expire in March.”

 

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The Truth Is Coming Out About COVID Deaths

 
TIMEMarch 1, 2022

Hospitals receive payments for testing every patient for COVID, every COVID diagnosis and every ‘COVID death,’ as well as any time they use remdesivir and mechanical ventilation.

 

Early on in the COVID pandemic, people suspected that the deaths attributed to the infection were exaggerated. There was plenty of evidence for this. For starters, hospitals were instructed and incentivized to mark any patient who had a positive COVID test and subsequently died within a certain time period as a COVID death.

At the same time, we knew that the PCR test was unreliable, producing inordinate amounts of false positives. Now, the truth is finally starting to come out and, as suspected, the actual death toll is vastly lower than we were led to believe.

COVID Deaths Have Been Vastly Overcounted

In the video above, Dr. John Campbell reviews recent data released by the U.K. government in response to a Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) request. They show that the number of deaths during 2020 in England and Wales, where COVID-19 was the sole cause of death, was 9,400. Of those, 7,851 were aged 65 and older. The median age of death was 81.5 years.

During the first quarter of 2021, there were 6,483 deaths where COVID-19 was the sole cause of death, again with the vast majority, 4,923, occurring in seniors over 65.

A total of 346 died from COVID-19 alone during the second quarter of 2021, and in the third quarter, the COVID death toll was 1,142. Again, these are people with no other underlying conditions that might have caused their death.

So, in all, for the 21 months covering January 2020 through September 2021, the total COVID-19 death toll in England and Wales was 17,371 — a far cry from what’s been reported. As of the end of September 2021, the U.K. government reported there were 137,133 deaths within 28 days of a positive test, and these deaths were therefore all counted as “COVID deaths.”

In a January 19, 2022, press conference, U.K. health secretary Sajid Javid admitted that the daily government figures are unreliable as people have been and continue to die from conditions unrelated to COVID-19, but are included in the count due to a positive test.

He also admitted that about 40% of patients presently counted as hospitalized COVID patients were not admitted due to COVID symptoms. They were admitted for other conditions and simply tested positive.

COVID Has Primarily Killed Those Close to Death Anyway

Campbell also points out that of the 17,371 people who had COVID-19 as the sole cause of death, 13,597 were 65 or older. The average age of death in the U.K. from COVID in 2021 was 82.5 years. Compare that to the projected life expectancy in the U.K., which is 79 for men and 82.9 for women. This hardly constitutes an emergency, least of all for healthy school- and working-age individuals.

Campbell then goes on to review data on excess deaths from cancer. Estimates suggest there have been an extra 50,000 cancer deaths over the past 18 months — deaths that normally would not have occurred. Delayed diagnosis and inability to receive proper treatment due to COVID restrictions are thought to be primary reasons for this.

As noted by Campbell, when we’re looking at excess deaths, we really need to take things like age of death into account. COVID-19, apparently, killed mostly people who were close to the end of life expectancy anyway, so the loss of quality life years isn’t particularly significant.

That needs to be weighed against the deaths of people in their 30s, 40s and 50s who have died from untreated cancer and other chronic diseases, thanks to COVID restrictions.

CDC Highlights Role of Comorbidities in Vaxxed COVID Deaths

 

In the U.S., data suggest a similar pattern of exaggerated COVID death statistics. Most recently, U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention director Dr. Rochelle Walensky cited research showing that 77.8% of people who had received the COVID jab yet died from/with COVID also had, on average, four comorbidities.

“So, really, these are people who were unwell to begin with,” Walensky said. But while Walensky points to this study as evidence that the COVID shot works wonders to reduce the risk of death, the exact same pattern has been shown in the unvaccinated. People without comorbidities have very little to worry about when it comes to COVID.

“COVID is a lethal risk only for the sickest among us, and that’s true whether you’re ‘vaccinated’ or not.”

For example, a 2020 study found 88% of hospitalized COVID patients in New York City had two or more comorbidities, 6.3% had one underlying health condition and 6.1% had none. At that time, there were no COVID jabs available.

Similarly, in late August 2020, the CDC published data showing only 6% of the total death count had COVID-19 listed as the sole cause of death. The remaining 94% had had an average of 2.6 comorbidities or preexisting health conditions that contributed to their deaths. So, yes, COVID is a lethal risk only for the sickest among us, just as Walensky said, but that’s true whether you’re “vaccinated” or not.

Most COVID Deaths Likely Due to Ventilator Malpractice

In addition to the issue of whether people die “from” COVID or “with” a SARS-CoV-2 positive test, there’s the issue of whether incorrect treatment is killing COVID patients. By early April 2020, doctors warned that putting COVID-19 patients on mechanical ventilation increased their risk of death.

One investigation showed a staggering 80% of COVID-19 patients in New York City who were placed on ventilators died, causing some doctors to question their use. U.K. data put that figure at 66% and a small study in Wuhan found 86% of ventilated patients died. In an April 8, 2020, article, STAT News reported:

“Many patients have blood oxygen levels so low they should be dead. But they’re not gasping for air, their hearts aren’t racing, and their brains show no signs of blinking off from lack of oxygen.

That is making critical care physicians suspect that blood levels of oxygen, which for decades have driven decisions about breathing support for patients with pneumonia and acute respiratory distress, might be misleading them about how to care for those with COVID-19.

In particular, more and more are concerned about the use of intubation and mechanical ventilators. They argue that more patients could receive simpler, noninvasive respiratory support, such as the breathing masks used in sleep apnea, at least to start with and maybe for the duration of the illness.”

At the time, emergency room physician Dr. Cameron Kyle-Sidell argued that patients’ symptoms had more in common with altitude sickness than pneumonia. Similarly, a paper by critical care Drs. Luciano Gattinoni and John J. Marini described two different types of COVID-19 presentations, which they refer to as Type L and Type H. While one benefited from mechanical ventilation, the other did not.

Despite that, putting COVID patients on mechanical ventilation is “standard of care” for COVID across the U.S. to this day. Without doubt, most of the early COVID patients were killed from ventilator malpractice, and patients continue to be killed — not from COVID but from harmful treatments.

Better Alternatives to Ventilation Exist

Mechanical ventilation can easily damage the lungs as it’s pushing air into the lungs with force. Hyperbaric oxygen treatment (HBOT) would likely be a better alternative, as it allows your body to absorb a higher percentage of oxygen without forcing air into the lungs. HBOT also improves mitochondrial function, helps with detoxification, inhibits and controls inflammation and optimizes your body’s innate healing capacity.

Doctors have also had excellent results using high-flow nasal cannulas in lieu of ventilators. As noted in an April 2020 press release from doctors at UChicago Medicine:

“High-flow nasal cannulas, or HFNCs, are non-invasive nasal prongs that sit below the nostrils and blow large volumes of warm, humidified oxygen into the nose and lungs.

A team from UChicago Medicine’s emergency room took 24 COVID-19 patients who were in respiratory distress and gave them HFNCs instead of putting them on ventilators. The patients all fared extremely well, and only one of them required intubation after 10 days …

The HFNCs are often combined with prone positioning, a technique where patients lay on their stomachs to aid breathing. Together, they’ve helped UChicago Medicine doctors avoid dozens of intubations and have decreased the chances of bad outcomes for COVID-19 patients, said Thomas Spiegel, MD, Medical Director of University of Chicago Medicine’s Emergency Department. The proning and the high-flow nasal cannulas combined have brought patient oxygen levels from around 40% to 80% and 90% …”

How to Use Prone Positioning at Home

You can also use prone positioning at home if you struggle with a cough or have trouble breathing. If you’re struggling to breathe, you should seek emergency medical care. However, in cases of cough or mild shortness of breath being treated at home, try to avoid spending a lot of time lying flat on your back.

Guidelines from Elmhurst Hospital suggest “laying [sic] on your stomach and in different positions will help your body to get air into all areas of your lung.” The guidelines recommend changing your position every 30 minutes to two hours, including:

  • Lying on your belly
  • Lying on your right side
  • Sitting up
  • Lying on your left side

This is a simple way to potentially help ease breathing difficulties at home. If you or a loved one is hospitalized, this technique can be used there too.

Hospital Incentives Are Driving Up COVID Deaths

You might wonder why doctors and hospital administrators insist on using treatments known to be ineffective at best and deadly at worst, while stubbornly refusing to administer anything that has been shown to work, be it intravenous vitamin C, hydroxychloroquine and zinc, ivermectin or corticosteroids.

The most likely answer is because they’re protecting their bottom line. In the U.S., hospitals not only risk losing federal funding if they administer these treatments, but they also get a variety of incentives for doing all the wrong things. Hospitals receive payments for:

  • COVID testing for all patients
  • COVID diagnoses
  • Admitting a “COVID patient”
  • Use of remdesivir
  • Use of mechanical ventilation
  • COVID deaths

What’s worse, there’s evidence that certain hospital systems, and perhaps all of them, have waived patients’ rights, making anyone diagnosed with COVID a virtual prisoner of the hospital, with no ability to exercise informed consent. In short, hospitals are doing whatever they want with patients, and they have every incentive to maltreat them, and no incentive to give them treatments other than that dictated to them by the National Institutes of Health.

As reported by Citizens Journal, the U.S. government actually pays hospitals a “bonus” on the entire hospital bill if they use remdesivir, a drug shown to cause severe organ damage. Even coroners are given bonuses for every COVID-19 death.

A Bounty Has Been Placed on Your Life

“What does this mean for your health and safety as a patient in the hospital?” Citizens Journal asks. Without mincing words, it means your health is in severe jeopardy. Citizen Journal likens government-directed COVID treatments to a bounty placed on your life, where payouts are tied to your decline, not your recovery.

“For Remdesivir, studies show that 71–75% of patients suffer an adverse effect, and the drug often had to be stopped after five to 10 days because of these effects, such as kidney and liver damage, and death,” Citizen Journal writes.

“Remdesivir trials during the 2018 West African Ebola outbreak had to be discontinued because death rate exceeded 50%. Yet, in 2020, Anthony Fauci directed that Remdesivir was to be the drug hospitals use to treat COVID-19, even when the COVID clinical trials of Remdesivir showed similar adverse effects.

In ventilated patients, the death toll is staggering … [attorney Thomas] Renz announced at a Truth for Health Foundation Press Conference that CMS data showed that in Texas hospitals, 84.9% percent of all patients died after more than 96 hours on a ventilator.

Then there are deaths from restrictions on effective treatments for hospitalized patients. Renz and a team of data analysts have estimated that more than 800,000 deaths in America’s hospitals, in COVID-19 and other patients, have been caused by approaches restricting fluids, nutrition, antibiotics, effective antivirals, anti-inflammatories, and therapeutic doses of anti-coagulants.

We now see government-dictated medical care at its worst in our history since the federal government mandated these ineffective and dangerous treatments for COVID-19, and then created financial incentives for hospitals and doctors to use only those ‘approved’ (and paid for) approaches.

Our formerly trusted medical community of hospitals and hospital-employed medical staff have effectively become ‘bounty hunters’ for your life.

Patients need to now take unprecedented steps to avoid going into the hospital for COVID-19. Patients need to take active steps to plan before getting sick to use early home-based treatment of COVID-19 that can help you save your life.”

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25 minutes ago, GDR said:

This was sent to me by e-mail so I thought I'd share it with you.

The Truth Is Coming Out About COVID Deaths

 
TIMEMarch 1, 2022

Hospitals receive payments for testing every patient for COVID, every COVID diagnosis and every ‘COVID death,’ as well as any time they use remdesivir and mechanical ventilation.

Careful, the article is about the US not Canada. Our system is different.

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6 hours ago, GDR said:

Most COVID Deaths Likely Due to Ventilator Malpractice

 

6 hours ago, GDR said:

Doctors have also had excellent results using high-flow nasal cannulas in lieu of ventilators.

 

6 hours ago, GDR said:

You might wonder why doctors and hospital administrators insist on using treatments known to be ineffective at best and deadly at worst, while stubbornly refusing to administer anything that has been shown to work, be it intravenous vitamin C, hydroxychloroquine and zinc, ivermectin or corticosteroids.

National / provincial policy differences have little to do with human biology though.... take a good look at Lime Disease if you want an example of different approaches /outcomes, some people have been devastated by it.

I could fill a whole page, but suffice it to say that it is easier to fool people than it is to convince them they were fooled, that's why it will take a long time to get to the bottom of all this. Every fact check will be prefixed by "there is no evidence to suggest."

Frankly, those who previously ridiculed high school biology questions and supported the de-platforming of  PHDs who already addressed most  of these questions (and more) should simply remain silent now. and await the results. For the first time, doctors are beginning to speak out... we should be listening.

IMO, 70% of Canadians should be deeply ashamed of some of their conduct here. Like the Russian collusion and NS shooting investigations, it will be about two years before we can truly take stock of the damage done. Two years is a lifetime in such things, new problems pop up out of the blue, questions fade with time, later they go unasked and by the time we actually have answers to learn from, opinion will have likely shifted to reflect that "we knew it all the time" mode now on display with the collusion investigation... people seem to have lost interest in it. Maybe "moved on" is more accurate... they're busy, have other concerns, it's no longer relevant and history repeats because the lesson goes unlearned.

 

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3 hours ago, Kargokings said:

Careful, the article is about the US not Canada. Our system is different.

Ya, I realize that but a lot of it applies here as well. I don't know about the hospitals paying for the number of patients. All that being said, I am pretty sceptical of the work of Mercola. I just thought it was interesting.

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I am very concerned that the long-term effects of the Covid mandates will have more of a long-term negative impact that will far outweigh the short-term health benefits of the mandates.
We all know of numerous people who have wound up isolated from others as a result of the mandates what with people working from home on their computers, being restricted on where they can go etc. Clearly, this doesn’t apply to the majority, but it has impacted many. Both drug and suicide death rates are up since the start of the mandates. Even in my own experience there have been families divided, not just geographically by restrictions on travel, but philosophically resulting in further emotional distress.
Dr. Lisa Berkman, is chair of the Department of Society, Human Development and Health at the Harvard School of Public Health. She studied seven thousand men and women. According to her findings, people who were socially isolated were three times more likely to die prematurely than those who had a strong social web.  Even more astonishing were those who had a strong social circle and unhealthy lifestyle (smoking, obesity and lack of exercise) actually lived longer than those who had a weak social circle but a healthy lifestyle. 
Here is a 1:33 min. video of Dr. Berkman.
“John Cacioppo, a social psychologist at the University of Chicago in Illinois, studies the biological effects of loneliness. In a steady stream of recent papers, he and collaborators have identified several potentially unhealthy changes in the cardiovascular, immune, and nervous systems of chronically lonely people. Their findings could help explain why socially isolated people have shorter life spans and increased risk of a host of health problems, including infections, heart disease, and depression. Their work suggest that it’s the subjective experience of loneliness that’s harmful, not the actual number of social contacts a person has. “Loneliness isn’t at all what people thought it was, and it’s a lot more important than people thought it was,” Cacioppo says.” Greg Miller, “Social Neuroscience: Why Loneliness Is Hazardous to Your Health,” Science 331: 138-140, 14 January 2011.
I humbly suggest that the sooner that these mandates are gone the better it will be for the health and well being of our society.
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Health insurers will be the whistle blowers on short/long term vaccine ill effects. They are now starting to ask previously banned / ridiculed questions and look deeper at the data and why that data became skewed.

On the other hand, governments, health authorities and the media  will deny, deflect and utterly fail to prepare. If there's good news here, it's that we now have a time hack.... 2 years to go. So, the time to think about building a canoe is before everyone else on Crazy island has the same idea and all the trees are gone.

I'll just ask the question now because if this goes sideways, I think we will be talking about it in 5 years time. If unvaccinated blood becomes a premium commodity required for medical purposes, would you support internment of pure bloods and blood harvesting?

Ya, you may scoff at the question now and 70 percenters will ridicule it.... but take a moment and look at the ground you've already covered. More specifically, look at how the indefensible is being defended and project that sentiment ahead a few years. 

https://www.rebelnews.com/german_health_insurance_company_sounds_the_alarm_on_vaccination_injury_underreporting

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