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Canada’s media has found a new explanation for its covid crisis

Following the Canadian news media over the past two years has been a fascinating lesson in how national narratives are constructed and reconstructed in times of crisis.

In the earliest days, Canada’s covid-19 pandemic was framed as a scientific problem, destined to be solved by properly credentialed professionals. Figures such as Theresa Tam, the nation’s chief public health officer, and her various provincial counterparts became subjects of sustained, supportive media attention intended to encourage deference to their leadership.

As it became clearer that the burden for fighting covid-19 would be borne mostly by individuals, media focus shifted to observing the actions and attitudes of the Canadian public. Were we following the rules, trusting the science and showing empathy for our fellow man? As armchair anthropology rose in popularity, so did anti-American sneering, with braggy editorials about how Canada’s “national DNA” of kindness and cooperation would produce a much better pandemic performance than the disease-riddled dystopia of then-President Donald Trump.

Yet, amid endless praise for Canadians’ good behavior — soon embodied by a vaccination rate of more than two-thirds — this narrative eventually broke down. As the delta, and later omicron, variant raged and Canadian hospitals continued to be packed to the rafters with cases — prompting canceled surgeries, closed classrooms, perpetually extended lockdowns, and frantic gimmicks such as Quebec’s “anti-vax tax” — it appeared Canadian niceness wasn’t a sufficient explanation for much of anything.

By last spring, the Canadian media had grown increasingly critical of Canada’s political leaders, now routinely accused of mismanaging the pandemic, with insufficiently consistent strategy and bad communication among the most common complaints.

 

More recently, however, a new narrative has emerged. Maybe Canada’s covid-19 story was never about the wisdom of Canada’s scientific elite or the good manners of its citizens or even the incompetence of its politicians. Maybe, all along, it was about the deficiencies of Canada’s much-vaunted public health-care system.

As is the case in most places, the majority of Canadians being hospitalized by covid-19 are unvaccinated. It’s a relatively small population, but if the amount of rage directed toward them seems disproportionate, it’s only because their impact has been, with the overflowing hospital situation in Canada’s progressive provinces now resembling the reddest states in the United States, where the percentage of unvaccinated is around twice as large. Yet, as many are starting to observe, the shockingly meager capacities of Canadian hospitals resembled, say, covid-era Alabama even before the pandemic. According to the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development, Canada has only 12.9 intensive care beds per 100,000 people — exactly half that of the United States.

Nevertheless, to the extent the “embarrassing” deficiency of Canadian hospitals has started to make headlines, existing taboos have ensured the analysis remains stiff and restrained. Small hospitals have tight budgets, which reflect the compromises inherent in honoring the idiosyncratic Canadian expectation that absolutely all essential medical services be provided by the state (40 percent of all provincial expenditures go to health care in Canada, with government-run hospitals consuming about a quarter of that).

Unwilling to contest this rather extreme assumption, critical media reactions — such as a recent offering from the Toronto Star editorial board — have been mostly limited to blaming “chronic underfunding” for the lack of hospital space, resolvable only by pumping “a lot more money” into the system.

If you want it, you have to pay for it,” concluded Fort Erie, Ontario, Mayor Wayne Redekop elsewhere in the paper.

 

Those interested in more genuinely contrarian perspectives have to look outside legacy publications. The upstart conservative journal the Hub, for instance, recently featured a column by economist Ash Navabi, advocating the repeal of Ontario’s half-century-old ban on private hospitals — a ban which, he notes, has resulted in the country’s largest province building exactly one new hospital in the past three decades. Navabi, by contrast, advocates letting a thousand hospitals bloom: “Whether they run it for profit or not, or how close they are to other existing government hospitals, or even what kind of doctors they hire, should be entirely left up to the entrepreneur taking the risk of competing with the government.”

The very notion of medical institutions “competing with government” will give a certain kind of middle-class Canadian conniptions, given the nightmarish caricatures of “private medicine” popular in Canadian culture and widespread ignorance over the degree to which things like privately run hospitals can be entirely compatible with public health insurance.

Despite purported media interest in “a new debate about the future of health care,” the smart money remains on little meaningful argument begetting little meaningful political action to reform the structural aspects of Canadian medicare that have most failed Canadians during this pandemic — yet are considered too culturally sacred to challenge.

Still, as far as national narratives promoted by covid-19 go, even the mildest concession that Canada’s health-care regime may not be quite as perfect as popular legend feels vastly more useful than what came prior.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/01/13/canada-covid-crisis-media-narrative-hospitals-capacity/

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the smart money remains on little meaningful argument begetting little meaningful political action to reform the structural aspects of Canadian medicare that have most failed Canadians during this pandemic

The biggest single factor limiting progress and decision making on all fronts IMO.

Easily manipulated by government and the media, easily absorbed by a complacent population, and easily regurgitated in the form of ridicule and talking points directed at all who would suggest critical analysis and polite discussion. POOF, dissenting opinion becomes misinformation and POOF, we have an APP for misinformation. If you have a problem, a villain, and media manipulation in the form of propaganda, false narrative can be nurtured until real pain forces change.

That's why this needs to hurt and badly... it's natures way of saying this isn't good for you. Minor pain is quickly forgotten when good times return. A bit like the story of the monkeys who always resolved to build a shelter against the nightly rain and cold. But in the bright sunshine and warmth of the day, they played in the trees instead of preparing for the inevitable rain that followed.

BTW, Ronald MacDonald House receives generous funding from Pfizer and although It looks bad happening now, those cynical tinfoil hatters are actually surprised it didn't happen sooner. 

 

 

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Still, as far as national narratives promoted by covid-19 go, even the mildest concession that Canada’s health-care regime may not be quite as perfect as popular legend feels vastly more useful than what came prior

Ontario woman with Stage 4 colon cancer has life-saving surgery postponed indefinitely

“ A 30-year-old Ontario woman diagnosed with Stage 4 colon cancer has had her surgery postponed indefinitely and says it could be too late to save her if the procedure keeps getting pushed back.

Woodbridge, Ont. woman Cassandra Di Maria was diagnosed with cancer in 2020 and has undergone 17 rounds of chemotherapy since then.

"Now, I'm waiting on my next big surgery," Di Maria told CTV News Toronto on Thursday. "I have no idea when this surgery will happen and I'm at a standstill."

 

In order to undergo the surgery, doctors told Di Maria in late October she needed to stop chemotherapy for a few weeks so her body would be strong enough to handle the procedure, which was originally scheduled for December. 

She said in December she received a notice saying the surgery was being postponed to January, and then later was told that date was cancelled too.

In an e-mail viewed by CTV News Toronto, a representative from Mount Sinai Hospital told Di Maria her surgery was cancelled because of "the situation with COVID-19" and that "everything is getting cancelled at this point."

In the meantime, Di Maria has not been receiving chemotherapy in case a surgery date becomes available.

https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/ontario-woman-with-stage-4-colon-cancer-has-life-saving-surgery-postponed-indefinitely-1.5739117

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Ontario woman with Stage 4 colon cancer has life-saving surgery postponed indefinitely

Case in point.

There is lots of this going on... lots of it. Even within my little circle I know of several cases; one has already died. 

A cynical tinfoil hat guy might say "look at the reporting." Instead of this case being the predictable result of predictable systemic deficiencies, it can be weaponized and redirected toward the villains I mentioned above. Individual cases are showcased because they help focus opinion. Overall trends of large proportion can then be ignored because they focus opinion (and inquiry) at the very issue you seek to avoid having subjected to scrutiny. It's a subtle form of STRATCOM and it needs to be managed carefully.

A tearful JT can now be expected to use this case in a daily briefing to vilify those Trump loving anti-vaxxers. This kind of evil (and I can't think of another word for it) thinks nothing of harnessing personal tragedy, weaponizing it, and redirecting it for diversionary purposes or in support of short term political gain. 

A little serves his purpose, a lot works against it. The obvious counter to my observation is that even pointing it out stands as proof that I'm insensitive to the tragedy unfolding for this person and their family.

Nothing could be further from the truth and he damn well knows it even as he's saying it. 

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A Canadian study is being updated after it vastly underestimated the protection COVID-19 vaccines offer against Omicron. (Markus Schreiber/The Associated Press)

 

Canadian COVID-19 vaccine study seized on by anti-vaxxers — highlighting dangers of early research in pandemic


Study found boosters only 37% effective against Omicron, but data being revised


Adam Miller

 

A Canadian study that vastly underestimated the protection COVID-19 vaccines provide against the Omicron variant is being revised — but not before it spread widely on social media by anti-vaxxers, academics and even the creators of the Russian Sputnik V vaccine.

The Ontario preprint study, which has not yet been peer reviewed, suggested that any three doses of mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were just 37 per cent effective against Omicron infection, while two doses actually showed negative protection.

The preprint has been shared on Twitter more than 15,000 times in the two weeks since it's been published, according to Altmetric, a company that tracks where published research is posted online. That's in the top five per cent of all research it's ever tracked.

The group behind Sputnik V shared the results to its one million Twitter followers earlier this month, saying the study showed "negative efficacy" of two mRNA vaccine doses and "quickly waning efficiency" of a booster. The group did not respond to questions from CBC News.

Dr. Vinay Prasad, an associate professor of epidemiology at the University of California-San Francisco, also shared it on Twitter, asking why the U.S Food and Drug Administration (FDA) and Centers for Disease Control (CDC) would advise a booster for Omicron at all.
 

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A health-care worker administers a COVID-19 vaccine at a mass vaccination clinic at the Toronto Zoo on Wednesday. (Evan Mitsui/CBC)

Study updating findings with totally different results


But the paradoxical findings were later found to have been influenced by behavioural and methodological issues, such as the timing of the observational study, the way in which vaccine passports altered individual risk and changes in access to COVID-19 testing.

The results are currently being updated with additional data that showed completely different results, said Dr. Jeff Kwong, the study's lead author and an epidemiologist and senior scientist at the Institute for Clinical Evaluative Sciences (ICES) in Toronto.

"We're in the process of adding two more weeks of data and it looks like there's no more negative VE (vaccine effectiveness). Our results are now more in line with the data from the U.K. where it's lower, for sure, compared to Delta, but never getting to negative," he told CBC News.

"And then higher VE with the boost. So I think that's good news and we're just in the process of running those analyses and we hope to have an updated version, a version two, by sometime next week." 

A recent report from the Imperial College London COVID-19 response team found that while Omicron largely evades immunity from prior infection and two doses provided just zero to 20 per cent protection, three doses increased that to between 55 and 80 per cent. 

That means the updated preprint could end up showing that protection against Omicron infection is more than twice as high as initially reported. As of Friday, the preprint study remained unchanged on the medRxiv website where it was posted. 

CBC cited the study in an analysis story last week, but has since removed reference to it until the data is updated. 

The study was also highlighted by the federal government's COVID-19 Immunity Task Force earlier this week, before the discrepancies in the data were discovered.

"We've touched base with Dr. Kwong and indeed he informed us of new data as of Monday night," a spokesperson said in response to CBC News raising concerns about the study's accuracy. 

"As the data from this week does change things, we've pulled the preprint from our magazine that's being sent out today." 
 

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Dr. Danuta Skowronski, with the B.C. Centre for Disease Control, says the rapid sharing of COVID-19 vaccine studies on social media has completely changed the research landscape, adding more pressure to get early results right. (CBC)

Dr. Danuta Skowronski, a vaccine effectiveness expert and epidemiology lead at the B.C. Centre for Disease Control, who developed the vaccine study design used in the preprint, posted a commentary urging "extreme caution" with the results last week.

"If you have a negative estimate, you want to start looking at, OK, well, which subgroup is driving that and why?'" she told CBC News.

"Is it the asymptomatic? Is it the symptomatic? Is it people who were screened for work? Is it people who had a rapid antigen test? Which group is it that's driving that paradoxical finding?" 

Skowronski said until those questions have been resolved, "all bets are off" on the interpretation of the results and "the validity of the study has to be questioned." 

"In the real world, we cannot control the behaviour of people, and so these studies are susceptible to lack of comparability between the vaccinated and the unvaccinated," she said, adding that vaccine passports dramatically changed the risk of exposure in Ontario. 

"There are good reasons to believe that the very slim fraction of people who remain unvaccinated — that group are quite different now from vaccinated individuals." 
 

Study spread like wildfire with anti-vaxxers online


The study highlights the speed in which early study results that have not undergone peer review can spread online in the pandemic and the way in which inaccurate findings can be weaponized to fit an agenda before they can be corrected. 

Many who shared the study on Twitter used anti-vaccination rhetoric to allege boosters didn't work against COVID-19, while others posited the vaccines should not have been approved for emergency use by the FDA in the first place because they did not meet its initial 50 per cent efficacy threshold.

"This will definitely be used by bad actors to consolidate support for their views about the lack of COVID-19 vaccination effectiveness," said Ahmed Al-Rawi, an assistant professor at Simon Fraser University's School of Communication who specializes in disinformation.

"I would immediately take it down and make some public statements about the inaccurate findings of the study, because this has been shared widely on social media and it will only confuse people more." 

The study also notably did not look at the protection vaccines offered from severe COVID-19, which has been shown to be much higher than against Omicron infection alone — something Kwong says he and his colleagues will be adding in a future version.

While COVID-19 vaccines don't provide total protection from infection, they do work well at preventing serious disease. New data from the Public Health Agency of Canada found Canadians with two doses were 19 times less likely to be hospitalized than those unvaccinated.

"Several studies have shown modest protection from two doses against Omicron infection, but better protection against severe outcomes such as hospitalization," said Marc Lipsitch, an epidemiologist at the Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health in Boston.

"This benefit is over and above any possible benefit of preventing infection or transmission."

Lipsitch said Skowronski's criticisms of the study are valid. He has cautioned against comparing positive cases among those with symptoms with those not tested for different reasons, adding he very much agrees this approach can be a source of "substantial bias."

"When investigators try to share early results in the interests of public health, as these folks did, there's often a lot of uncertainty in those estimates," said Dr. David Fisman, an epidemiologist at the University of Toronto's Dalla Lana School of Public Health.

"But it's very hard to reel in once people start using early versions of your work in support of misinformation."

Skowronski said the rapid sharing of COVID-19 vaccine studies on social media has completely changed the research landscape, adding more pressure to get early results right.

"You need to ask yourself, why do we need to post it now? Why can it not wait the one or two weeks? How will this impact public and policy decision-making?" Skowronski said.

"And if you can't answer that, then we really should be asking ourselves: Why are we rushing to preprint?"

Skowronski released a study in 2010 showing paradoxical negative vaccine effectiveness during the 2009 H1N1 pandemic that found those who had a flu shot were more likely to get infected with the influenza strain than people who hadn't, which was later proven right.

But she first assumed the findings were methodologically inaccurate, reached out to outside experts around the world, conducted multiple different studies and worked with an international panel of experts.

"I learned the lesson the hard way back in 2009 in dealing with paradoxical findings and the level of rigour required," she said. "You don't approach this in a casual way — it does require lots of thinking, lots of worry — before you can arrive at this."

Dr. Ivan Oransky, co-founder of Retraction Watch, a website that tracks errors in science journals, said because the study turned out to be "flawed," the researchers should move fast to update their findings.

"They're doing the right thing. The question is how quickly will they do it?" he said. "I mean, they're talking about next week … but that is a bit of an eternity in this day and age."
 

 

 

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This is what Quebec's doctors and nurses are seeing in ERs during the Omicron wave

 

Unvaccinated still overwhelmingly more likely to end up needing care or dying, data shows

 
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Dr. Joseph Dahine, an intensive care specialist at Laval's Cité de la Santé hospital, said two kinds of COVID-19 patients are generally reaching his facility: unvaccinated people between 30 and 60, and vaccinated patients over the age of 70 with existing health conditions. (Ivanoh Demers/Radio-Canada)
 

The Omicron variant of the coronavirus may be less severe, but it's still leading to an unprecedented wave of hospitalizations in Quebec.

In interviews, doctors and nurses in the province described how the highly transmissible new variant has created new challenges as they try to provide care.

 

Nathan Friedland, a nurse who worked eight out of the last nine days at the Lakeshore Hospital in Montreal's West Island, said the ER is "completely overrun."

"We are getting so many COVID patients that we cannot isolate them properly," he said. "The ER is not built to withstand an outbreak like this."

On Friday, the province surpassed 3,000 patients in hospitals with the coronavirus. The number of deaths has also climbed back up to its highest levels since last January, with more than 400 in the last two weeks alone.

"People are still getting sick and though they're not getting sick to the same extent, they're still ill, and those who have comorbidities will probably die from this," said Dr. Peter Goldberg, head of critical care at Montreal's McGill University Health Centre.

But there are also signs of hope, health-care workers say, most notably in the improvements in care and the efficacy of vaccines in preventing serious illness.

Booster gives a boost

Proportionally, those with at least two doses of vaccine are far less likely to end up in hospital in Quebec — as has been the case elsewhere.

In Quebec, only 13 per cent of people aged five and up have not received two doses, but that group currently makes up 32 per cent of hospital admissions and 46 per cent of admissions in intensive care over the last 28 days, according to the province's Health Ministry. That means a non-vaccinated person was 13 times more likely to end up in the ICU during that period. 

In a statement, the Health Ministry said that "most often (but not always) people who die and are adequately vaccinated are people who have health conditions that make them vulnerable."

The province doesn't have a breakdown for those in hospital with three doses, but several health-care workers reported in interviews this week they had seen few or no patients who had gotten a booster.

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Intensive care physicians in the Montreal area describe who is getting hit the hardest by COVID-19 these days. 6:20

Dr. Joseph Dahine, an intensive care specialist at Laval's Cité de la Santé hospital, said COVID-19 patients in his hospital can be divided into two general categories.

The first is unvaccinated individuals, many between 30 and 60, who were previously healthy. The other group of patients is older, mostly over 70, with two doses of vaccine, and who often come in with existing health problems.

Given the advances in care, Dahine said his team is able to get people better more quickly, often without intubation, especially if they are vaccinated. But a few patients, he said, have been in the ICU for several months, prior to the emergence of Omicron.

Like others, Dahine noted some patients who come in for treatment for an illness seemingly unrelated to COVID end up testing positive.

"They usually have an exacerbation of their underlying disease," he said. 

Even if they don't require the usual care necessary for a COVID patient, precautions must be taken to ensure they don't further spread the virus inside the hospital, he said.

Nearly two years into the pandemic, Melanie Jade Boulerice, an ER nurse at a Montreal hospital, said the protocols have improved and so has the understanding of how to care for patients. But she said the workload has taken a toll.

"There's a high level of burnout. There's turnover," she said. Friedman described the "sheer volume of cases" as "overwhelming."

Hidden cost of delaying crucial care

The INSPQ, the province's public health research institute, released a report Thursday that projected hospitalizations had reached their peak or would do so in the coming days.

Still, the strain on the health-care system and the shortage of staff has made for major challenges.

Already, many regions have reached the highest level of alert — meaning surgeries and other crucial forms of medical care have been cancelled.

"The people who are supposed to be in the ICU are not," said Dr. Michel de Marchie, an ICU doctor at Montreal's Jewish General Hospital.

"The people with cancer are not having their surgery. The people who were supposed to have their cardiac surgery are having it postponed. The people who are supposed to have their hip surgery are suffering at home."

In the long run, he said, they are "the ones who are going to pay."

 
People are seen entering a COVID-19 vaccination site in Montreal. More than 87 per cent of the eligible population in Quebec has received two doses of vaccine, according to the provincial government. (Ryan Remiorz/The Canadian Press)

While Quebec's first wave largely affected elderly people in care, de Marchie said he is now seeing a range of ages in hospital.

"The number of deaths, at least at the Jewish, is not as high as we've seen before," he said.

Benoit Barbeau, a virologist at Université du Québec à Montréal, said the next month will be difficult, even if the projections suggest daily new hospitalizations will gradually go down. 

"Even though the variant is not as pathogenic, by sheer number of infected cases, individuals will be hospitalized and that will translate to more deaths," he said.

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And just like that, those who wanted it no longer do.

They will even point out the inherent limitations of PCR testing to support their position, a giant leap for high school biology to be sure, but, they do it as if those limitations come as a sudden epiphany carried on the wings of angels. I'm tempted to ask  WDYTWGTH... but I won't bother, there is simply no penetrating the logic of those test kits being put to better use in schools.

https://torontosun.com/news/national/air-canada-westjet-and-pearson-asks-feds-to-drop-mandatory-covid-tests-for-arrivals

And finally, after 2 years, the most basic of causal relationships can be discussed without bans and Trumper insults. Did someone throw a switch here... about a year and a half ago I went looking for the information contained below and it was virtually impossible for me to put it all together. Now POOF, there it is and everyone is talking about it... just say MEOW:

 https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/why-canadas-hospital-capacity-was-so-easily-overwhelmed-by-the-covid-pandemic

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And finally, after 2 years, the most basic of causal relationships can be discussed without bans and Trumper insults. Did someone throw a switch here... about a year and a half ago I went looking for the information contained below and it was virtually impossible for me to put it all together. Now POOF, there it is and everyone is talking about it... just say MEOW:

 https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/why-canadas-hospital-capacity-was-so-easily-overwhelmed-by-the-covid-pandemic

I wonder what the chances of this being in the TO Star are?

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I wonder what the chances of this being in the TO Star are?

LOL, maybe they're too busy writing a piece about the 300 million dollars we spent on field/mobile respiratory hospitals. As I recall 15 (or so) were ordered but only about 4 were ever built... none of them ever got used. Then again, It was a single source contract to SNC... so maybe not.

Calling out the military had a nice ring to it too, maybe they could cover that eh? People thought hundreds of critical care nurses were about to HALO into the parking lot of their local hospital.

There were 8. 

That's 8 total BTW, not 8 per drop. 

 

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There has been a lot of talk re providing schools with N95 masks for teachers and students.  A real dumb idea and an almost complete waste of money.

1. to work a N95 mask must be fitted tested to the individual . When I volunteered at a Hospital Emerg. mine was.

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2. the mask will not work (it will leak) unless there is a complete absence of hair where the mask comes into contact with the face. Facial hair and N95 masks: What you need to know - ABC News (go.com)

 

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https://nationalpost.com/news/politics/health-canada-approves-pfizer-anti-viral-pill-for-treatment-of-covid-19

The irony here is superb.

The very company that makes leaky vaccines now makes pills to defeat the virus its vaccine was designed to defeat in the first place.

And just imagine what JT would have to say about a Conservative government that refused to disclose those costs. Something about tyranny, Nazis, and lying to Canadians I bet.    

Anyway, maybe more charter violations will prove effective... if you find yourself in Quebec after 2200LT just remember, no meowing outside.

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Very scary if true.  I hope we never see this sort of action happen.

Some like idea of jail time for unvaxxed, poll finds

Poll finds 27% of Canadians support jail time

  • Calgary Herald
  • 19 Jan 2022
  • ANJA KARADEGLIJA

Many Canadians are in favour of harsh punishments for the unvaccinated, with 37 per cent saying in a new poll it would be acceptable to deny them publicly-funded health care — and 27 per cent that it would be OK to go as far as a short jail sentence.

“A majority of Canadians have little sympathy for the unvaccinated,” said John Wright, executive vice-president of Maru Public Opinion, which conducted the poll on Jan. 14 and 15. Maru surveyed an online panel of 1,506 Canadians.

It found two-thirds of Canadians are in favour of mandatory vaccines for everyone over the age of five. Health Minister Jeanyves Duclos said earlier this month that mandatory vaccinations are on the horizon, and something that provincial governments should be discussing.

The poll also asked about various punitive measures for those who would refuse a mandatory vaccination. Thirty-three per cent of the survey respondents said it would be acceptable to not allow them to renew their drivers' licence.

Another 37 per cent said it would be OK to refuse to “allow them access to any publicly funded hospital/ medical services.” More than a quarter, 27 per cent, said it would be acceptable to make them serve up to five days “as part of a jail sentence for endangering others/overwhelming (the) health-care system.”

Wright said that with the spread of the Omicron variant, many Canadians are now experiencing a “de facto withdrawal of medical services.”

“An increasing group of people either can't get access to the medical care that they need or they're seeing members of their family or their circle being refused that same kind of treatment,” he said.

The viewpoint, Wright said, is that if an unvaccinated person hasn't “taken any precaution whatsoever, why should you be more at the front of the line than others who have done all the right things, and they aren't able to get access to treatment,” including people who have had cancer treatment delayed by months.

Sixty-one per cent of the respondents said it would be OK to make the unvaccinated pay “a monetary health-care surcharge on their taxes of up to $150 per month.” That's the same percentage that said it would be OK to make such individuals “pay out of pocket for the full medical cost” if they are admitted to hospital or the ICU with COVID-19.

“The sentiment out there is, if you're going to clog up the health care system, then you're going to pay for it yourself,” Wright said.

Asked how they view those who refuse to be vaccinated, 48 per cent of respondents said those individuals were responsible for overwhelming the health care system, and 40 per cent described them as people “who are holding us back from having a new normal life.” Another 36 per cent said they were “misguided conspiracy theorists” and were “endangering society.”

More than three-quarters of those surveyed, 77 per cent, said it would be acceptable to put in place restrictions barring those who would refuse a mandatory vaccination from entering public spaces like liquor and cannabis stories, libraries, restaurants, cinemas and retail outlets.

Quebec has already moved on some of those measures. New rules requiring proof of vaccination to enter a liquor or cannabis store came into effect Tuesday, and the province has also promised to implement a tax on unvaccinated adults.

Asked how much sympathy respondents had for an unvaccinated person who becomes seriously ill or dies as a result of COVID-19, 27 per cent said they had none at all. Only 19 per cent said they had a lot of sympathy, while the rest were somewhere in between.

There were some with a more favourable view of the unvaccinated. Twenty-seven per cent said they were “good people with legitimate reasons/concerns” and 12 per cent went further, describing them as “heroes for free speech/choice.” That's three per cent more than the nine per cent of the respondents

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who were unvaccinated themselves.

When those individuals were asked why they refused a vaccination, 45 per cent said they were “defending my civil liberty to make a choice for me.” A similar proportion, 42 per cent, said they were waiting for more data on safety of the vaccines.

Other reasons cited by the unvaccinated included being anxious or scared about how the vaccine could affect them (28 per cent) and not wanting the government to tell them what to do (22 per cent).

Others cited conspiracy theories, like that the vaccine could affect their genetic structure (21 per cent), that COVID is a “hoax” and “not a killer” (nine per cent) and “a global conspiracy to control those who get it” (four per cent).

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COVID-19 restrictions in B.C. just changed, and now there is no end date to the current closures and limitations.

There are currently restrictions that limit gatherings and prevent gyms, nightclubs, and bars from opening. Previously, the public health order said that these restrictions would be in place until January 18.

However, on January 17, the government changed the order, which now states: "This Order does not have an expiration date."

Without this expiry date, it is unclear when these restrictions will be lifted.

Under the current restrictions in the province, a household is able to gather with up to 10 other people or with one other household. Indoor venues have a maximum capacity requirement of 50%, and there is a maximum of six people allowed at a table.

B.C.'s Health Minister Adrian Dix tweeted about the change to restrictions on Monday.

While the change to the health order came without a formal announcement to the public, Provincial Health Officer Dr. Bonnie Henry will be updating the public about the new changes in a news conference at 1.30 p.m. PT on Tuesday.

The order was originally put in place as COVID-19 cases surged in the province, aimed at curbing the impact of the Omicron variant.

Some businesses have refused to comply with the restrictions by keeping their doors open. Iron Energy Gym in West Kelowna said earlier this month that they will not be closing their doors, arguing that gyms are essential.

 

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6 hours ago, Jaydee said:

That’s about the same % of votes the liberals got last election.

That's about one in every 4 people.

Y'all should be more afraid of them then the unvaccinated. So how about we substitute fat people for the unvaccinated in that story... how do ya like me now?

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I've been thinking about this for a while now. Consider the notion of some (yet to be identified) problem which serves to eliminate vaccinated blood from the blood supply. Or maybe it would only apply to a small (but important) segment of the population, say pregnant women, infants, or those with severe allergies etc.

Would the people in question then support the idea of capturing purebloods and holding them in internment camps to ensure continued access to the blood supplies they need? Or, after being abused, segregated and imprisoned, would the magnanimous purebloods forgive, forget and willing submit to having their blood harvested.

Once you cross the first threshold, the rest of it gets easier. Maybe I should write the screen play for" Pureblood" eh?

In the mean time, Ordinary Men should be compulsory reeding.

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My concern (in the near term) has always been with protein toxicity, priming, inflammation and allergic reaction. Prion disease is more of a long term consideration.

This video is long, take it with a grain of salt, an open mind and the certain knowledge that wisdom is acquired incrementally. I found it interesting because it’s the first video I’ve seen that addressed my concerns in an articulate manner and with the idea that any of them had the slightest merit.

It’s noteworthy that none of my questions were Phd or even undergraduate level inquiries. They were simple grade 13 questions that any grade 13 student with a fundamental understanding of cellular biology would have asked in class, assuming covid basics were on the curriculum.

Fact check at will but being wrong about one thing doesn’t make him wrong about everything and vice versa.

If you can’t maintain an open mind or separate wheat from chaff then move along, this isn’t for you. I simply offer the video as is, where is. That said, I like this guy:

https://www.bitchute.com/video/PWDh2Wl9cLNP/

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Will be interesting to watch this unfold…part of me thinks they are on the right track as the Vaccine appears not to be working like they hoped. 

U.K. drops COVID-19 restrictions, scraps mandatory face masks

British Prime Minister Boris Johnson announced the easing of COVID-19 restrictions on Wednesday, saying that face masks will no longer be mandatory in public places and schools in England and COVID-19 passports will be dropped in large parts of the country starting next Thursday.

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Czech folk singer dies after intentionally catching COVID-19

Published Thursday, January 20, 2022 11:02AM ESTLast Updated Thursday, January 20, 2022 11:02AM EST
 
 

The son of a Czech folk singer says his mother, who was opposed to getting vaccinated against COVID-19, has died after she deliberately contracted the disease.

Hana Horka, of the folk band Asonance, died on Sunday after intentionally exposing herself to the coronavirus at home, her son Jan Rek told CNN affiliate CNN Prima News. She was 57.

Rek says his mother voluntarily exposed herself to COVID-19 after he and her husband, who are both vaccinated, caught it before Christmas.

Rek said Horka wanted to get sick so she would not be required to get vaccinated.

"My mom wanted to get sick so she gets the COVID pass," Rek said. "She said to me, and even publicly, she wants to get infected so she is done with COVID."

In the Czech Republic, proof of vaccination or a recent COVID-19 infection is required for travel, accessing cultural and sports facilities, and for visiting bars and restaurants.

Rek said his mother was getting incorrect information about the virus "from her social circle," and was posting anti-vaccination sentiments online.

He added that Horka was "ignoring on purpose some facts and comments that were disproving her arguments."

"She wanted to get sick on purpose," Rek said.

While Rek said that his mother "wasn't extremely against vaccination," she was open to the idea of choice.

"She was living by even at times unrelated information concerning health in general, but there has always been this underlying thought that nature will take care of everything and only we know ourselves the best," he said.

Rek said he is sharing the story to warn others about the risk the Omicron variant poses to those who are unvaccinate

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