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“It’s hard to look this in the eye. But COVID’s worst is coming”’


“Omicron is different. It’s been nearly two years, and people want to move on. I know. But the nightmare is here; not for Ujiri, but for the province. Omicron is different from anything we have ever seen.”

“This is the scariest it has been since this pandemic started,” says Dr. Beate Sander, a scientist and modeller at University Health Network, a Canadian Research Chair in the economics of infectious diseases, and the head of Ontario’s independent volunteer science table’s modelling group. 

“Honestly, I’m not sure I have been as worried as I am now. Probably not. I remember the very first wave, but in the first wave, we didn’t really know what’s coming. And now we know what is coming. New information is coming out pretty much every hour, so it’s just really, really hard to kind of pin something down, and some of the estimates that we talked about this morning that should go into the models are already, almost outdated. 

“And what makes me really so concerned is that every piece of information that’s coming out seems to make it worse.”

“ It’s hard for the human mind to grasp; part of that is the sheer bloody wall of exponential math. The numbers feel imaginary. Sander explains: in places like South Africa, Denmark and the United Kingdom, in different populations, Omicron has doubled every three to four days, or faster. That’s about a 400 per cent increase in a week. Ontario’s chief medical officer, Dr. Kieran Moore, said Omicron currently makes up about 10 per cent of recent cases. That would mean about 145 Omicron cases in Ontario on Friday.

With a 400 per cent increase every week, Sander points out the numbers do something like this: 145 today, 600 in a week, 2,400 in two weeks, 9,600 in three weeks. That would be New Year’s Eve, and left unhindered it would mean almost 40,000 cases per day a week after that. We were already on schedule to cancel surgeries with a Delta-only wave. Based on anticipated growth curves Omicron could become the predominant variant in Ontario within 10 days, and this will be an Omicron pandemic by early 2022.”


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We should save that opinion because someone is clearly a liar, I guess only time will identify the villain.

For good or ill, I'd observe that there’s a silver lining to mandates, it puts good ideas, bad ideas, and poorly executed bad ideas on full display for all to see and learn from.


Here’s your next tinfoil hat prediction, when this becomes a pandemic of the vaccinated, the triple jabbed will vilify those who stop at two and label them anti-vaxxers. The doubles will be locked out of the passport club and look to the pure bloods for commiseration, likely seeking a united front against their “oppression.” Hopefully they find none, this needs to run its course.

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4 hours ago, Wolfhunter said:

Even CNBC is starting to notice:

CDC study shows 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated

To add to this is the following quote from that article.

The new data, published in the U.S. agency’s Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, also found that fully vaccinated people who get infected carry as much of the virus in their nose as unvaccinated people, and could spread it to other individuals.

Here is the link


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9 hours ago, GDR said:

fully vaccinated people who get infected carry as much of the virus in their nose as unvaccinated people, and could spread it to other individuals.

And it's spawned a brand new talking point. Triple vaccinated individuals (who contract Covid) now express their gratitude for the third jab and assert that their Omicron symptoms (widely reported to be mild) would have been so much worse without it.

To see how far we’ve come, compare that logic with the long forgotten Biden quote: “hot dogs by the 4th of July.”  When was the last time a politician said "herd immunity out loud?" 

Herd immunity has been dropped from consideration, there was a signal given and everyone dropped the concept simultaneously... just like those horse paste loving, tinfoil hatters predicted they would.

I see that the current explanation for limited ICU capacity and deferred elective procedures is pure bloods selfishly sucking up resources. As I said above though, even CNBC is starting to scratch its head and report observations in such a manner as to promote rational skepticism.


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cases cases cases.....yup lots of cases these days.....

Has anyone looked in the hospitals?????

ICU's are not overrun 

People are not being treated in the halls (at least no more than before Covid) 

the ones that are in ICU are mostly un-Vaccinated the rest are just mild cases or asymptomatic positives.

Much ado about nothing IMHO.  

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A lot of what we're hearing and seeing now is rather old news, its been in the public domain for some time.

Better late than never I guess but much of the openly ridiculed tinfoil hat stuff was based on the very observations that are now coming to light. And they're coming to light as if they weren't previously known, or couldn't previously be assumed (to exist) by anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear.

My favourite was the lab leak indications that were identified in the fall of 2019 and became open source in the first quarter of 2020. Until fairly recently, breathing a word of that on FB was sufficient to get you deleted. 

Some might think I'm downplaying all this, be assured that's not the case. But, when things simply don't make sense and smart people sound silly to any one who's been to high school there has to be an agenda or narrative in play. Considering the number of contrary minded Phd virologists that have been de-platformed,  I suspect it's both.

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Yes, I’m cherry picking, and I’m doing it out of consideration for your scroll down button… this could be a whole thread.  If that triggers an immune response for you stop reading right now.

The effects of ADE have been a concern for me  right from the get go. My high school level questions have consistently revolved around spike protein toxicity, pathogenic priming (ADE) and possible long term prion diseases ( that lipid / BBB thingy). I’ve said right from the beginning that if you want my buy in, there are only two conditions: you will answer those questions and you’ll be polite when you do it. That hasn’t happened yet and I’m curious as to why.

Now, I’m not smart enough to know what the implications are, or even if there are any, but, here are two quotes that caught my eye and I offer them (albeit  out of context) simply because they set off a MASTER CAUTION light for me in any context. The first is from a widely ridiculed article and like the lab leak theory, had you posted this snippet on FB a short while ago you would have been instantly deleted.

A theory for how ADE might occur in the case of a SARS-CoV-2 vaccine suggests that non-neutralizing antibodies form immune complexes with viral antigens to provoke excessive secretion of pro-inflammatory cytokines, and, in the extreme case, a cytokine storm causing widespread local tissue damage

Here is a quote (and yes I’m cherry picking again) from a CBC article this morning stressing the significant threat posed by Omicron. My fear in all of this is/was the susceptibility of vaccinated individuals to autoimmune system hyperdrive (that’s my own term for it) following exposure to a variant in the wild.   

The lead researcher from Hong Kong — Dr. Michael Chan Chi-wai, an associate professor of the university's school of public health — also acknowledged that disease severity is tied to other factors, like whether someone's immune system goes haywire in response to a coronavirus infection in what's known as a "cytokine storm.”

Simply put, my point in posting the above is that even though dumb grunts aren’t biologists, when things don’t make sense they are capable of conjuring up a few questions whilst  hoping others would start asking them too. Where are those useless fools we call journalists? Why aren’t they posing the questions that simple soldiers with nothing more than high school biology want answers to? Instead of asking obvious questions, they have me chasing my tail across a sea of misinformation contained in an ocean of narrative driven propaganda trying to splice snippets (like this) together.

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Looks like Trump was right after …again 

“Wuhan lab leak more likely origin of Covid-19, UK Parliament panel told”

A Canadian molecular biologist on Wednesday told cross-party members of Parliament (MPs) on the House of Commons Science and Technology Committee that a leak from a laboratory in Wuhan region of China is now the more likely origin of the COVID-19 global pandemic.

Dr Alina Chan, specialising in gene therapy and cell engineering and co-author of Viral: The Search for the Origin of COVID-19', told the Parliament panel's evidence session on scientific research that the pandemic was being caused by the unique feature of the coronavirus called furin cleavage site, which has been linked to the Wuhan Institute of Virology.

Asked by the panel about the probability of a lab leak as the origin of the pandemic, Chan said a lab origin is more likely than natural origin at this point.

We all agree that there was a critical event at the Huanan Seafood Market, that was a superspreader event caused by humans. There is no evidence pointing to a natural animal origin of the virus at that market, she noted.

On the question of her level of confidence that the world would eventually be able to establish the true origins of COVID-19, Chan said it was simply a matter of time.

Right now it's not safe for people who know about the origin of this pandemic to come forward. It might be five years from now, it might be 50 years from now, but we live in an era where there's so much data being collected and stored...we just need a credible, systematic investigation, she said.

On whether the virus was modified in the lab before a leak, Chan said: We have heard from many top virologists that a genetically engineered origin of this virus is reasonable...and this includes virologists who themselves have made modifications to the first SARS virus.

We know now that this virus has a very unique feature, called the furin cleavage site that makes it the pandemic pathogen it is. So, without this feature, there's no way this would be causing this pandemic.

"Only recently in September did a proposal get leaked showing that scientists from the EcoHealth Alliance were in collaboration with the Wuhan Institute of Virology developing this pipeline for inserting novel furin cleavage sites, these genetic modifications, into SARS-like viruses in the lab.

Chan stressed that the burden was on the scientists in question to show that their work did not result in the creation of SARS-COV2, the virus behind COVID-19, and that an investigation of documents being made available by US-based EcoHealth Alliance could hold the key.

Her co-author, Lord Matt Ridley, was also asked similar questions about the lab leak theory and he concurred with Chan's assertion that it was more likely than not the cause behind the pandemic.

We have to face the fact that after two months we knew the origins of SARS through markets, and after a couple of months we knew the origin of MERS through camels. In this case, after two years we still haven't found a single infected animal that could be the progenitor of this pandemic; that's extremely surprising, he said.

Ridley, along with Chan, agreed that any leak was most likely an accident as he traced the journey of scientists a few years ago to bring SARS-like viruses back to Wuhan for experiments.

It does have to be taken seriously. It is regrettable that in 2020 there was a pretty systematic attempt to shut down this topic, he noted.

Ridley added: We need to find out so we can prevent the next pandemic. We need to know whether we should be tightening up work in laboratories or whether we should be tightening up regulations relating to wildlife sales in markets. At the moment we are really not doing either.

We also need to know to deter bad actors who are watching this episode and thinking that unleashing a pandemic is something they could get away with.

Richard Horton, Editor-in-Chief of The Lancet' medical journal, also agreed that the lab leak theory behind COVID-19 is a hypothesis that needs to be taken seriously and needs to be investigated further, as referenced by the World Health Organisation (WHO).

The evidence session forms part of the UK Parliament's Science and Technology Committee inquiry into "reproducibility and research integrity", which is expected to produce its findings in 2022.


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23 hours ago, Jaydee said:

Looks like Trump was right after …again 

For all of his faults, he had that rare knack of asking day one questions on day one. At the time he was saying this he already knew about the lab workers that had been hospitalized and their symptoms. We found out a couple of months later yet refused (on pain of deletion and being deemed racist) to ask those day one questions on the first day.

Remember sharpie gate.... it was likely a doodle in support of a question to the briefer. How many times have I done that exact same thing with a briefing pack map? 

Here's another example of what I mean... it took two bloody years for the media to get around to asking what they should  have asked on day one.


I'll freely admit that at the beginning of this adventure I had no idea our hospital surge capacity was as abysmal as it was... and still is 2 years later. Look at some of the population vs ICU capacity numbers and see if it all makes sense. My point here is simple: why are we constantly asking those day one questions on day 364 and more importantly, why do we demonize those who actually do? I bet future generations will look back on the decision to fire critical care nurses (when they were most needed) with the same sense of awe I feel right now.


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7 hours ago, Jaydee said:

“ Canada records 7,145 new COVID-19 cases, largest single-day total since May”


Available in New Zealand only :Sob:


I'd tell you a covid joke but there's a 99.6% chance you won't get it.

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Coronavirus cases are surging in London as the Omicron variant has officially replaced Delta — a sign of what's likely just around the corner for parts of the U.S., Axios' Caitlin Owens reports.

  • Why it matters: The U.K. and South Africa are regularly releasing research that helps predict coming days for the U.S. 

Both places show the virus spreads at a faster rate than we've seen before, and is able to escape at least some of the immunity provided by vaccines or previous infections. 

  • But it's still unclear whether Omicron is more or less likely to cause severe disease than other variants — partly because so many people in South Africa or the UK have some form of immunity.

💡 What you need to know: If you're unvaccinated, you're newly vulnerable. Vulnerable people who haven't had booster shots, or have been previously infected and not vaccinated, are at risk of severe cases.


What we're watching: At least some parts of the country are already in the beginning phases of what these other parts of the world already went through.

  • New York and D.C. both reported record case numbers yesterday


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"We didn’t see delta coming. I think most scientists did not — upon whose advice and direction we have relied — didn’t see delta coming," she said in an interview with the outlet published Friday. "We didn’t see omicron coming. And that’s the nature of what this, this awful virus has been, which as it turns out, has mutations and variants."

These sort of statements worry me because they don’t make sense from a high school perspective. If you are going to mass vaccinate during an ongoing pandemic you are going to spawn variants.

This means we shouldn’t be surprised… we should expect them and we should plan and prepare accordingly. Given travel restrictions, blaming the global spread of Omicron on pure bloods is as divisive as it is wrong yet it continues unabated nonetheless.

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Maybe not so much a surprise………the highly contagious Omicron variant has put Kingston, ON in the highest case category in Canada…..


Oglaza said the Kingston region — held up as a success story earlier in the pandemic — was now the victim of an "unfortunate set of circumstances" that included an early Omicron case and high spread among the 18-to-39 demographic.



Hhhmmmm…..let’s see ….. could it have anything to do with behaviour and attitude of a certain student body and a variant that is 4x more contagious??  
Maybe a couple keggers or floor parties before Christmas break….


Btw….the tally for maintaining the peace for the residents of the surrounding neighborhoods……only $970,000 for babysitting for the future “leaders” of the country. (Ya, I know, it was totally over policed man!)


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Here is an interesting article from the CTV web site. There are a number of interesting points. On is that Omicron is becoming the predominate strain of Covid in the parts of the world where it has taken hold. Presumably the same will be true here as well, although not yet.

Also Omiron is pretty much like the regular flu and not something that we should be all that concerned about.

Also here is an interesting line from the article.  “The CDC found that cough, fatigue, and congestion or runny nose were the most common symptoms among the cohort, three-quarters of whom were fully vaccinated.”

It seems that the percentage of those contracting Omiron that have been fully vaccinated is about the same percentage as those that have received the two shots. In other words the vaccines don’t work with this Omiron and yet all our government does is to keep pushing the vaccine.



VANCOUVER -- Early data from the U.K. has found that cold-like symptoms are more common with among those infected with the Omicron variant of the novel coronavirus.

The ZOE COVID Symptoms Study, which tracks symptoms recorded from participants using a smartphone app, reported on Thursday that the top five symptoms for Omicron were runny nose, headache, fatigue, sneezing and sore throat.

The data was collected between from Dec. 3 to 10 in London, where Omicron has become the dominant strain, based on over 52,000 COVID-19 tests.

Unlike with other strains of the virus, symptoms of fever, cough and loss of smell were less common. The ZOE analysis found that only 50 per cent of those with Omicron had these three "classic symptoms."

 Loss of appetite as well as brain fog were also commonly reported symptoms.

"Hopefully people now recognise the cold-like symptoms which appear to be the predominant feature of Omicron. These are the changes that will slow the spread of the virus," ZOE lead scientist Tim Spector said in a news release on Thursday.

These findings are also consistent with early data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), which studied 43 Omicron cases from Dec. 1 to 8. The CDC found that cough, fatigue, and congestion or runny nose were the most common symptoms among the cohort, three-quarters of whom were fully vaccinated.

Similarly, Dr. Angelique Coetzee, who is the chair of the South African Medical Association and the first doctor to detect the Omicron variant, has said that fatigue was among the most common symptoms she's observed, along with headaches, body aches and "scratchy" throat.

"Most of them are seeing very, very mild symptoms and none of them so far have admitted patients to surgeries. We have been able to treat these patients conservatively at home," she told Reuters in late November.

A preliminary study from South African researchers also found that after adjusting for vaccination status, the risk of hospitalization was 29 per cent lower for the Omicron variant compared to the first wave of the virus in mid-2020.

However, experts say it's too early to say whether Omicron will be less severe in Canada.

"The long and the short of this is that some country data says that this might be a less severe disease. Other country data does not say that," Dalhousie University infectious diseases expert Dr. Lisa Barrett told CTV News Channel on Saturday.

Barrett pointed to Denmark, where data has showed that hospitalization rates appear to be on par with other variants of the virus.

A preliminary U.K. study published on Thursday also found "no evidence (for both risk of hospitalisation attendance and symptom status) of Omicron having different severity from Delta" based on data collected in England between Nov. 29 and Dec. 11.

"Even if you're not in the hospital, I think businesses and other people should know you can be pretty darn sick and still not go to hospital," Barrett said.

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