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1 hour ago, Jaydee said:

As per normal, my biggest fault is expressing what most everyone is privately thinking.

The glass bubble has been shattered with Covid.
 

As we all know the Covid problem areas bringing Ontario to its knees are all in the GTA. What’s the common denominator?
 

There isn’t a politician in the country of any stripe willing to address the root problem which existed long before this virus surfaced.

The very simple fact is ....multiculturalism doesn’t work.  Diversity is not a strength, it is a weakness. Trudeau’s Identity politics is an abysmal failure. Multiple families living under one roof was always a disaster waiting to happen. One stroll through ANY major city in the Middle East would have easily identified what the future would bring to Canada.
 

What / Who made Canada Great in the first place ? IMO, Immigration from Countries (mainly Europe) that left their problems behind, brought the best of their culture with them and started new lives with fresh outlooks on a future in a new country.

 

Its time to rebuild a Canadian identity where everyone is a CANADIAN first, with historical Canadian values.
 

Where you came from means nothing, where you are should mean everything.

 

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You of course are forgetting the many cultures that came to Canada and established communities within existing communities (today some in those communities do not speak english or french. ..... multi generation housing etc.  low income, etc. Most but not all have assimilated over the past 100 or so years and when doing so influenced changes to our overall culture.

Italian, Oriental, Amish etc and of course non Christian religions to name just a few.  So we can not blame everything on the current immigrants but rather should look at ourselves and decide what we need to do differently to assimilate our new immigrants.  As I have said in the past: 

1. Set up training centers in the areas we want to have immigrants from. (select list based on a number of factors including language, religion and culture )

2. bring in those who want to immigrate to Canada into the training centers, house and feed them  and expose them to our culture and it's requirements (likely 6 months)

3. after the training period, then reassess their desire and qualifications to immigrate to Canada.

This process would be costly but likely of greater benefit to Canada than our present immigrant policies

 

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Diversity is our strength....let’s see...Jews or Muslims...time to choose Justin...but he won’t...he’ll say he takes the situation very seriously, they are watching it closely, and call for important

You haven't noticed this?  It came in the same Liberal box labeled law abiding, daily vetted gun owners being compared to a pyromaniac serial killer, wife abusing,  police impersonator with illeg

If diversity is our strength, how do you rationalize Islamic extremism??? It’s a diverse point of view...but one should not hide behind the proclamation “a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian”...why

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48 minutes ago, Kargokings said:

You of course are forgetting the many cultures that came to Canada and established communities within existing communities (today some in those communities do not speak english or french. ..... multi generation housing etc.  low income, etc. Most but not all have assimilated over the past 100 or so years and when doing so influenced changes to our overall culture.

Italian, Oriental, Amish etc and of course non Christian religions to name just a few.  So we can not blame everything on the current immigrants but rather should look at ourselves and decide what we need to do differently to assimilate our new immigrants. 

I don't really think assimilation is a real thing.  My ancestors (from eastern Europe) came to Canada 125 years ago.  They (my great-grandparents) never assimilated.  They lived out the rest of their lives in the small cultural bubble around them - maybe learned a minimal amount of English.  My grand-parents straddled the line between old and new.  They still had the strong European values of their parents but spoke English very well and had a solid understanding of the wider culture around them.  My parents (3rd generation) spoke very little of the ancestral language and would be called Canadian by anyone who met them.  I think it's just time.

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If diversity is our strength, how do you rationalize Islamic extremism??? It’s a diverse point of view...but one should not hide behind the proclamation “a Canadian is a Canadian is a Canadian”...why should that be left to stand without condition?

My thought is that you can be proud of your heritage, but when it comes to your alliegance, there should only be one strength and that is a devotion to country .... and that would be the country you presently live in, the one whose laws you live under for peace and protection, and the one who has provided you services and the opportunity to prosper and live your life....not the one you left and continue to call “home”, not the one where all your relatives leave to come here for medical services, and not the one you send money to to support your extended family.

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Islam is self contained, it's a religion, a legal system and a political system all in one.... it works and it works well. In it's truest form, it's simply not compatible with secular democracy.

You can make it work, but only with the simmering tensions that result from one or the other (and usually both) systems trying to accommodate the other. That which both sides refer to as "extremism" speaks to the lack of accommodation and unwillingness to compromise core beliefs. Without that willingness and compromise from both, which require effort BTW, the incompatibilities become obvious even to the most strident of SJWs.

We have covered this many times on this very forum. Making it work comes at a cost, this is where liberals hit the wall, where they completely and utterly fail. They are great at screaming racist in your face but not so good at problem solving and bill paying. If the effort fails it's not because it was impossible, it's because you weren't willing to pay the cost of doing it right. This is one of those things that's simple... but not easy.

Liberals simply can't do it, it's why traditional archery and the shooting sports are completely foreign ideas to them. For me, if it was easy, I wouldn't bother.

 

 

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In case anyone wonders why YYZ has the highest numbers.  Freedumb!!!

https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2021/04/26/toronto-police-attend-over-200-gatherings-lay-160-charges-for-violations-of-ontarios-stay-at-home-order-on-the-weekend.html

Toronto police attend over 200 gatherings, lay 160 charges for violations of Ontario’s stay-at-home order on the weekend

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India Covid-19: Delhi adds makeshift crematoriums as deaths climb

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Makeshift pyres are being built in crematoriums in India's capital Delhi as the city runs out of space to cremate its dead.

Deaths have been steadily rising in India as a deadly second wave of Covid infections devastates the country, with 380 recorded in Delhi alone on Monday.

Medical oxygen, intensive care unit (ICU) beds and life-saving medicines are in short supply.

India has recorded more than a million Covid-19 cases in just a few days.

The number of reported cases declined slightly on Tuesday, to 323,144 from the peak of 352,991 the day before, bringing the total number of Indian cases so far to nearly 17 million with 192,000 deaths.

However, it is thought the true figures are far higher - both for deaths and cases.

 

An investigation by television station NDTV found at least 1,150 extra deaths which were not included in Delhi's official Covid count over the last week. Other investigations have found similar examples of undercounting replicated across the country.

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Crematorium staff are working throughout the night, with relatives of the dead reportedly having to help with the cremations, piling wood and assisting in other rituals.

In Delhi, parking lots, parks or empty ground are now being sought for the increasing need for cremations. Families often have to wait for hours before they are allowed to cremate their dead.

Chart showing rising cases and deaths in India. Updated 27 April.

At the capital city's Sarai Kale Khan crematorium, at least 27 new platforms have been built, with 80 more being added in the park around the existing structure. Municipal authorities are also looking for additional spots near the city's Yamuna river bed.

A worker at the crematorium, which originally had capacity for only 22, told The Hindu newspaper that they are operating from early morning to midnight.

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The Ghazipur crematorium in East Delhi added 20 more pyres in a parking lot. An official told the Indian Express newspaper that there are so many bodies that more pyres had to be built, and there is a waiting time of three to four hours, with each body taking up to six hours to burn.

 

The situation is serious at other crematoriums too. Sunil Kumar Aledia, who runs the Centre for Holistic Development, an organisation which is providing assistance with oxygen, meals and also cremations during the Covid-19 crisis, told the BBC that some do not have space to expand.

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Demand is likely to remain high. In Delhi - with its population of about 20 million people - hospitals are full and medical oxygen is scarce.

At least two hospitals in the city have seen patients die after oxygen supplies ran out. Ambulances are in short supply. It is becoming difficult for families to take their sick to hospitals even if they get a bed. Many have died waiting for one.

Social media is awash with frantic pleas for help with oxygen cylinders or life-saving drugs or ICU beds. The city's testing capacity has been overwhelmed too.

Many countries have offered their assistance to India - with oxygen supplies, as well as ventilators and concentrators.

The UK has begun sending ventilators and oxygen concentrator devices. European Union member states are also due to send aid, with France saying it will send oxygen.

 

US President Joe Biden spoke to Prime Minister Narendra Modi and pledged America's "full support". The US is lifting a ban on sending raw materials abroad, enabling India to make more of the AstraZeneca vaccine. It will also provide medical equipment and protective gear.

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Bhutan, a small landlocked nation sitting in the Himalayas between China and India, has said that it will supply liquid oxygen to the north-eastern Indian state of Assam.

India's neighbour Pakistan, which has had tense relations with Delhi, has offered medical equipment and supplies. The country's Edhi Foundation has also offered to send 50 ambulances to India.

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CDC says many Americans can now go outside without a mask

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NEW YORK — The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention eased its guidelines Tuesday on the wearing of masks outdoors, saying fully vaccinated Americans don't need to cover their faces anymore unless they are in a big crowd of strangers.

And those who are unvaccinated can go outside without masks in some cases, too.

The new guidance represents another carefully calibrated step on the road back to normal from the coronavirus outbreak that has killed over 570,000 people in U.S.

For most of the past year, the CDC had been advising Americans to wear masks outdoors if they are within 6 feet of each other.

The change comes as more than half of U.S. adults have gotten at least one dose of coronavirus vaccine, and more than a third have been fully vaccinated.

“It’s the return of freedom,” said Dr. Mike Saag, an infectious disease expert at the University of Alabama at Birmingham who welcomed the change. “It’s the return of us being able to do normal activities again. We’re not there yet, but we’re on the exit ramp. And that’s a beautiful thing.”

More people need to be vaccinated, and concerns persist about variants and other possible shifts in the epidemic. But Saag said the new guidance is a sensible reward following the development and distribution of effective vaccines and about 140 million Americans stepping forward to get their shots.

The CDC, which has been cautious in its guidance during the crisis, essentially endorsed what many Americans have already been doing over the past several weeks.

The CDC says that fully vaccinated or not, people do not have to wear masks outdoors when they walk, bike or run alone or with members of their household. They can also go maskless in small outdoor gatherings with fully vaccinated people.

But from there, the CDC has differing guidance for people who are fully vaccinated and those who are not.

Unvaccinated people — defined by the CDC as those who have yet to receive both doses of the Pfizer or Moderna vaccine or the one-shot Johnson & Johnson formula — should wear masks at outdoor gatherings that include other unvaccinated people. They also should keep using masks at outdoor restaurants.

Fully vaccinated people do not need to cover up in those situations, the CDC says.

However, everyone should keep wearing masks at crowded outdoor events such as concerts or sporting events, the CDC says.

And the agency continues to recommend masks at indoor public places, such as hair salons, restaurants, shopping centres, museums and movie theatres.

Dr. Babak Javid, a physician-scientist at the University of California, San Francisco, said the new CDC guidance is sensible.

“In the vast majority of outdoor scenarios, transmission risk is low,” Javid said.

Javid has favoured outdoor mask-wearing requirements because he believes they increase indoor mask-wearing, but he said Americans can understand the relative risks and make good decisions.

“The key thing is to make sure people wear masks indoors” while in public spaces, he said.

He added: “I'm looking forward to mask-free existence.”

“The timing is right because we now have a fair amount of data about the scenarios where transmission occurs,” said Mercedes Carnethon, a professor and vice chair of preventive medicine at Northwestern University’s Feinberg School of Medicine in Chicago.

What’s more, she said, “the additional freedoms may serve as a motivator” for people to get vaccinated.

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On 4/25/2021 at 9:09 AM, Kargokings said:

established communities within existing communities

That was an established goal of the Federal Government back in the 1890's

It was done so that those immigrants could have churches like theirs, stores that offered foods they were used to, newspapers that they could read and neighbours that spoke a language that they could understand. 

It worked then and it works today.

In Edmonton Muslims have bought houses in the Northwest because there were already a lot of Muslims in that part of the city. As the years have passed they have bought houses nearer to jobs and education opportunities.  A year or two ago a tiny mosque opened in a strip mall near me and the only reason I noticed was because of the traffic jams near there every Friday morning.  There must be Muslims living near my house but buggered if I know who.

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Death due to COVID-19 parties could lead to manslaughter charges: experts

Hina Alam Published Friday, April 30, 2021 4:29AM EDT

People who break health rules by holding parties that lead to death from COVID-19 should heed the warning from a British Columbia judge about facing a manslaughter charge, legal experts say.

Prof. Lisa Dufraimont of York University's Osgoode Hall law school said manslaughter charges stem from an unlawful act that causes death and a foreseeable activity that could cause bodily harm."And if in fact it does cause someone's death, as the judge said, then that could amount to manslaughter," Dufraimont said in an interview Thursday.

Provincial court Judge Ellen Gordon chastised Mohammad Movassaghi this week as she sentenced him to one day in jail, a $5,000 fine and 18 months' probation. He had previously pleaded guilty to disobeying a court order, failing to comply with a health officer's order and unlawfully purchasing grain alcohol.

The court heard he held a party for 78 people in a penthouse condominium that was about 165 square metres in size that police described as a makeshift nightclub.

Gordon called the event "a crime, not a party," adding that it was something attended by people "foolish enough" to put their own and their grandmothers' health at risk.

"If someone who had been at your party was infected and died, as far as I'm concerned, you're guilty of manslaughter," she said. "If someone who had been at your party was infected and passed it on to grandma, as far as I'm concerned, you're guilty of manslaughter."

Movassaghi apologized to the judge and to the public for his "grievous error of judgment."

In the months since, Movassaghi said he has been following the public health orders "to a T," practising physical distancing and wearing a mask.

"I learned a hard lesson," he said.

Speaking generally about the law, Dufraimont said the offences that could lead to manslaughter charges could follow if a person flagrantly disregards provincial health orders.

"When you do a dangerous act that's also a lead offence under the legislation, and if that were to lead to someone's death, that could be manslaughter," she explained.

Manslaughter has no minimum sentence but could result in life in prison.

However, Isabel Grant, a professor at the University of British Columbia's Peter A. Allard school of law, urged caution when charging a person with manslaughter.

"I think it's technically possible that the Crown could substantiate a manslaughter charge but I think it's highly unlikely," Grant said.

"I'm just not sure that that really gets us very far."

Grant said it would also be a "very difficult thing" to prove where a person contracted the virus.

"So, showing beyond a reasonable doubt that that person got COVID in that room is going to be very challenging for the Crown," she added.

Grant said using the criminal law might not be the best tool with which to regulate a public health emergency.

"We have pretty solid public health legislation, and we have things that could be utilized before we go to thinking about putting people in jail for the transmission of an illness."

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The fight against misinformation must continue.

https://nypost.com/2021/04/29/joe-rogan-walks-back-anti-covid-19-vaccine-comments/

Joe Rogan backpedals after telling young Americans not to get COVID vaccine

Joe Rogan backpedaled Thursday on his claim that healthy young Americans don’t need to get vaccinated against COVID-19 — insisting he’s “not an anti-vaxx person.”

On his popular podcast “Joe Rogan Experience,” the 53-year-old comedian downplayed his own credibility after his comments sparked outrage on social media and a response from Dr. Anthony Fauci.

“I’m not a doctor, I’m a f-cking moron,” Rogan said. “I’m not a respected source of information, even for me … But I at least try to be honest about what I’m saying.”

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22 hours ago, deicer said:

The fight against misinformation must continue.

 

 

 

Odd that you seem to have no interest in fighting misinformation when it comes from the left - certainly never post about it here.  Want to earn some "credibility" points?  Post something the next time (or about the last time) Biden or Trudeau gets caught lying and misinforming.  Give us a post about the CBC manufacturing BS stories - misinforming.  Tell us the "fight must go on" in the context of CNN making stuff up to suit their agenda.

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31 minutes ago, seeker said:

Odd that you seem to have no interest in fighting misinformation when it comes from the left - certainly never post about it here.  Want to earn some "credibility" points?  Post something the next time (or about the last time) Biden or Trudeau gets caught lying and misinforming.  Give us a post about the CBC manufacturing BS stories - misinforming.  Tell us the "fight must go on" in the context of CNN making stuff up to suit their agenda.

Why?

There are plenty here who do such, much more so than I do.

Or is it just that when I try to balance out the narratives with another view, and show the lies and manipulation of the right side of the equation, it make some uncomfortable?

 

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Why your 1st COVID-19 shot is more protective than you might think

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New research suggests 1st dose offers robust immune protection, reduction in transmission to others

Adam Miller · CBC News · Posted: May 01, 2021 4:00 AM ET | Last Updated: 7 hours agoWhat you can and can’t do after one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine
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A British study has found people who have received only one vaccination are 70 per cent protected. But that doesn't mean anyone should stop protecting themselves, or physically distancing. 1:59
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After months of anxiously waiting, many newly vaccinated Canadians are left with more questions than answers — how protected am I after one dose of COVID-19 vaccine, when will I get my second shot and what can I do safely until then?

 

"It's the elephant in the room," said Dr. Zain Chagla, an infectious diseases physician at St. Joseph's Healthcare Hamilton and an associate professor at McMaster University. "Everyone is asking about this." 

While we still don't have all the answers, there are some promising early signs that may help put your mind at ease until you get your second shot.

How protected am I until my second shot? 

A recent study in The Lancet looked at more than 23,000 vaccinated healthcare workers in the United Kingdom from December to February and found the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine was at least 70 per cent effective at preventing COVID-19 three weeks after the first dose. 

Another Lancet study looked at more than 1.3 million people in Scotland during the same time period and found the Pfizer shot was more than 90 per cent effective at preventing hospitalization due to COVID-19 four to five weeks after the initial dose. 

 
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People living in neighbourhoods deemed to be at a higher risk of COVID-19 transmission line up in the rain outside Downsview Arena in Toronto on Wednesday. (Evan Mitsui/CBC)

That study also analyzed the AstraZeneca-Oxford vaccine in the same population and found it was 88 per cent effective at curbing hospital admissions from COVID-19.

"People are thinking about vaccination right now that you have a cup that you're filling half full with the first dose, and you're getting it full with the second — but that's not how immunity works," said Dr. Sumon Chakrabarti, an infectious disease specialist at Trillium Health Partners in Mississauga, Ont.

"At four weeks and beyond you're probably still mounting immunity and the second dose … takes your existing immunity and it kind of fortifies it."

Alyson Kelvin, an assistant professor at Dalhousie University and virologist at the Canadian Center for Vaccinology and the Vaccine and Infectious Disease Organization in Saskatoon, likens that immune boost from the second shot to "restudying" for a test you might have coming up.

"It's cementing the information into your memory and that's what we need the boost for — to make sure that we have that long lasting response and antibodies that will protect us," she said. "But we need to go back for the boost to make sure that that is retained for longer periods of time."

While we still don't know how long that initial immune response lasts, Kelvin said we can extrapolate from previous vaccine studies that the second dose is generally more effective the longer you wait between shots. 

"This is not the first vaccine that we obviously have that's multiple doses," said Chakrabarti. "With the Hepatitis A vaccine you can often give the second dose anywhere from six to 36 months later." 

When will I get my second shot? 

In March, Canada's National Advisory Committee on Immunization (NACI) recommended delaying second doses of COVID-19 vaccines by up to four months — the longest known interval by any country in the world so far. 

NACI said it based its revised guidelines on emerging real world evidence and the reality of Canada's limited supply of vaccines at the time, as well as findings from the British Columbia Centre for Disease Control that determined one dose of the vaccine was actually more effective than clinical trials had initially shown. 

"There are profound individual effects with that first dose. They're not as good as a two-dose strategy and we all recognize that," said Chagla. "But I think when NACI moved to this strategy, the data wasn't really there on what that looks like in the long term." 

WATCH | The science behind delaying the 2nd dose of COVID-19 vaccines:

 
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The science behind delaying the 2nd dose of COVID-19 vaccines

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Federal government scientists have put their support behind delayed second doses of COVID-19 vaccines — which several provinces were already doing — and ongoing research shows some of the benefits of the adapted strategy. 2:04

Now we're learning more about how effective even that first dose is, Chagla said, and we're also getting a glimpse of whether COVID-19 vaccines can prevent transmission onto other people. 

A new preprint study by Public Health England, which has not yet been peer-reviewed, found that three weeks after a single dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine, household transmission of the virus was reduced between 39 and 49 per cent.

Chakrabarti said this is a "great sign" that is part of a growing body of research that suggests even just the first dose of a COVID-19 vaccine significantly reduces the spread of the virus and the severity of disease in those who do get infected. 

"This goes to show why initially that first dose for as many people as possible was the better strategy to go by because it still is going to give good protection," he said. 

Can I get COVID-19 after my first dose? 

Canada's Deputy Chief Public Health Officer Dr. Howard Njoo said during a press conference Thursday that as more Canadians get vaccinated, there are bound to be some cases of infections after the two week window it takes to build antibodies.  

"No vaccine is 100 per cent effective," he said. "At a high population level with millions and millions of Canadians being vaccinated, certainly we do anticipate that there will be cases occurring." 

A new study from Imperial College London published in the journal Science Friday found that a single dose of the Pfizer vaccine may not generate an adequate immune response to protect against variants of concern, except for people who already had COVID-19.

But that study was based on laboratory testing of blood samples from healthcare workers in the U.K. and it may not necessarily translate to the real world. 

Nevertheless, Njoo said Canadian public health officials at all levels are studying the issue of "vaccine escape" from the variants closely to determine whether they could jeopardize vaccine effectiveness, but more research is needed.

 
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Deputy Chief Public Health Officer Howard Njoo says as more Canadians get vaccinated, there are bound to be some cases of COVID-19 infections after the two week window it takes to build antibodies. (The Canadian Press)

What can I safely do with just one dose? 

Close to one-third of the Canadian population has now received at least one dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, but Canada still hasn't provided any formal guidance on what they can or can't do while waiting for their second shot.

Many Canadians are left wondering if they can safely see their families, other vaccinated people or generally feel less at risk from COVID-19 after a year under strict public health measures.

Chagla said that giving people realistic public health guidance on what they can do safely with their first dose of vaccine could go a long way to prevent them from making up their own rules in the interim.

"Use it as part of a bundle — have potentially slightly higher outdoor gathering limits amongst people who are vaccinated as long as they adhere to public health precautions," he said.

"Because the bundle of being vaccinated plus distancing, plus the outdoor ventilation kind of all lines up to reduce the risk for that individual."

The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention updated guidelines this week for fully vaccinated individuals, saying they don't have to wear a mask outdoors in certain settings or indoors with others who have received both shots.

WATCH | Provinces expand vaccine eligibility as supply set to spike:

 
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Provinces expand vaccine eligibility as supply set to spike

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But unlike Canada, the U.S. hasn't delayed second doses by up to four months. Answers to those questions have been harder to come by for Canadians months after guidelines changed and close to 15 million doses have been administered.

"We're in the middle of the third wave and we have a wall of COVID in front of our faces but I think it's very important that we need to have a roadmap and a framework out of here," Chakrabarti said.

"We know people are getting together behind closed doors and I think that what would be a better approach than to just constantly be telling people to stay home … you have to have a level of trust for the Canadian public at this point."

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Hmmm I wonder what those who think we should follow  the same path, a number of posters have held up Australia as a great example of how to control the virus.   

Australians returning from India could face jail time under new COVID-19 measures

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SYDNEY -- Australian residents and citizens who have been in India within 14 days of the date they plan to return home will be banned from entering Australia as of Monday and those who disobey will face fines and jail, government officials said.

The temporary emergency determination, issued late on Friday, is the first time Australia has made it a criminal offense for its citizens to return home.

The move is part of strict measures to stop travelers to Australia from the world's second most populous nation as it contends with a surge in COVID-19 cases and deaths.

The restrictions come into effect from May 3 and breaching the ban risks civil penalties and up to five years imprisonment, Health Minister Greg Hunt said in a statement.

"The government does not make these decisions lightly," Hunt said." However, it is critical the integrity of the Australian public health and quarantine systems is protected and the number of COVID-19 cases in quarantine facilities is reduced to a manageable level."

The government will reconsider the restrictions on May 15.

India's coronavirus death toll passed 200,000 this week, and cases are nearing 19 million as virulent new strains have combined with "super-spreader" events such as political rallies and religious festivals.

Neela Janakiramanan, an Australian surgeon with family in India said the decision to "criminalize" Australians returning from India was disproportionate and overly punitive.

"Indian-Australians are seeing this as a racist policy because we are being treated different than people from other countries who have had similar waves of infection like the U.S., the UK and Europe. It is very hard to feel anything other than targeted as an ethnic group."

A spokesman for the Health Minister "deeply" rejected the view that stopping arrivals from India temporarily was a biased measure, saying it was a difficult but necessary decision that applied "to all people no matter their nationality, race or religion."

Human rights groups voiced indignation at the ban, suggesting the government's focus should be on improving its quarantine system, not on punishment.

"This is an outrageous response. Australians have a right of return to their own country," Human Rights Watch's Australia director, Elaine Pearson said in a statement.

"The government should be looking for ways to safely quarantine Australians returning from India, instead of focusing their efforts on prison sentences and harsh punishments."

Australia, which has no community transmissions, on Tuesday introduced a temporary suspension of direct flights from India until mid-May. However, some Australians, including cricketers Adam Zampa and Kane Richardson, returned via Doha.

Tuesday's move had left over 9,000 Australians stranded in India, 650 of whom are registered as vulnerable, officials said.

Australia has all but stamped out the coronavirus after closing its borders to non-citizens and permanent residents in March 2020, recording just 29,800 cases and 910 deaths.

(Reporting by Paulina Duran; editing by Sonya Hepinstall and Richard Pullin)

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When the going gets tough, tough measures must be adopted.

AHS releases Critical Care Triage Protocol in case healthcare system becomes overwhelmed

BY JEFF SLACK

Posted Apr 30, 2021 7:17 pm MDT

 

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A medical worker attends to a patient suffering from COVID-19 inside the isolation area in the emergency ward at the hospital in Bochnia, Poland, Sunday, April 4, 2021. European countries scrambled Monday, April 5, to tamp down a surge in COVID-19 cases and ramp up vaccinations, hoping to spare hospitals from becoming overwhelmed by the pandemic's latest deadly wave of infections. (AP Photo/Omar Marques)
 
 

CALGARY (660 NEWS) – Alberta Health Services (AHS) has released a 50-page document outlining their triage protocol in the event the health care system becomes overrun with people needing intensive care treatment.

“Alberta Health Services has developed protocols to guide the allocation of critical care resources should the provincial health care system be overwhelmed and thus unable to meet the demand of the current COVID-19 pandemic, future pandemics, or any other predictable health crisis,” the document says.

The triage protocols are a way to guide health-care professionals in deciding who receives treatment and who doesn’t once there is not enough critical care resources for everyone.

When activated, health-care workers would prioritize patients who have the greatest likelihood of overall survival.

If there is a “Major Surge” and surge bed capacity reaches 90 per cent, ICU eligibility will be based on patients with a greater than 20 per cent chance of surviving for the next year.

If there is a “Large Scale Surge” where bed capacity reaches 95 per cent, assessments will be based on those with greater than 50 per cent of surviving.

“Triage is not about withholding care from patients, it is about providing the best care to the greatest number of people,” the document says.

“These protocols ensure that such decisions are made in an ethical, fair, and structured way and not ad hoc.”

A “first come, first-served basis” may be used if there are several patients who arrive with an equal likelihood of surviving.

“If two or more patients with equal survival likelihood arrive at the same time, random selection will be used,” the document states.

AHS has not needed to initiate these protocols as it has adequate capacity for hospitalized and ICU patients. If needed, they can expand capacity to increase the total number of ICU spaces to 425.

On Friday, it was announced 649 people were in hospital with COVID-19, 151 of those being treated in the ICU.

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4 hours ago, deicer said:

Why?

There are plenty here who do such, much more so than I do.

Or is it just that when I try to balance out the narratives with another view, and show the lies and manipulation of the right side of the equation, it make some uncomfortable?

 

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The show must go on!

New `playbooks' for Tokyo Olympics unveiled amid Japan's growing doubts

  • Calgary Sun
  • 2 May 2021
  • SIMON DENYER and RICK MAESE

TOKYO — The International Olympic Committee this week unveiled updated plans for holding the Summer Games in Japan, meticulous “playbooks” that promise to ensure the safety not only of the athletes taking part but also of the Japanese public during a global pandemic.

They represent “very hard work” and “determination, a lot of determination” to stage the Games safely and successfully, the IOC'S sports director, Christophe Dubi, said at a news conference, and they are based on the latest scientific expertise as well as considerable experience with holding global sporting events during the pandemic.

IOC President Thomas Bach said his confidence the Olympics can go ahead also is based on his admiration for the “great resilience and spirit” of the Japanese people.

“The Japanese people have demonstrated their perseverance throughout their history, and it's only because of this ability of the Japanese people to overcome adversity that these Olympic Games under these very difficult circumstances are possible,” he said.

Yet Bach's comments provoked a howl of protest on Japanese social media, his rhetoric ignoring the fact that most people here simply don't want the Games to go ahead — and don't see why they need to be subjected to adversity at the IOC'S behest.

The meticulous planning, meanwhile, has one potentially fatal flaw: Japan's already overloaded health system can't cope with the additional demands the Games will bring without putting more lives at risk, doctors and nurses say. The Olympics would involve more than 11,000 athletes plus tens of thousands of officials, coaches, media members and support staffers converging on Tokyo, which is closed to most foreign visitors.

“Most health workers say even thinking about the Olympics is just ridiculous,” said Kentaro Iwata, an infectious-disease expert and doctor at Kobe University Hospital, which is in a city in western Japan where 1,700 people with covid-19 need hospitalization but can't get a bed.

“We are really fighting a lifeand-death situation,” he said. “How the hell can you speak of a sports event gathering so many spectators, staff, volunteers, nurses and doctors? Who could enjoy the Games in this situation?”

With overseas spectators already having been banned, organizers are suggesting they may be forced to ban fans entirely and stage what some are calling a “made-for-tv” Olympics.

On April 23, just three months before the scheduled opening ceremony, Japan's government declared a third state emergency for Tokyo and several other regions as it battles a surge in infections that is being supercharged by the rapid spread of coronavirus variants and shows no sign of abating.

Japan's caseload is still a fraction of what many countries are experiencing, but the death toll has doubled in just three months and crossed 10,000 this week. The daily rate of new infections approached 6,000, the highest level in three months. On the day the Olympics were postponed, March 24, 2020, Japan recorded just 65 new infections.

Pressed by reporters on why the Games were going ahead despite the emergency, Japanese Prime Minister Yoshihide Suga said, “The IOC has the authority to decide, and the IOC has already decided to hold the Tokyo Olympics.”

Other officials have picked up on Suga's apparent attempt to distance himself from the decision to plow ahead.

On Wednesday, health minister Norihisa Tamura warned Olympic organizers they would have to “secure their own” hospital beds for anyone falling ill at the Games, explaining the government would not release beds set aside for Japanese covid-19 patients.

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'We're in a lot of trouble': What's happening in Alberta as it shatters multiple COVID-19 case records?

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Jeremiah RodriguezCTVNews.ca Writer

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Published Sunday, May 2, 2021 2:24PM EDTLast Updated Sunday, May 2, 2021 2:57PM EDT 

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TORONTO -- Alberta has become one of the hot spots for COVID-19 in Canada during this third wave of the pandemic.

The province broke its daily COVID-19 record for the third day in a row on Saturday when it reported 2,433 new infections. As of Sunday afternoon, Alberta’s test positivity rate hit 12 per cent, its highest since the pandemic started.

“What we're seeing right now is really uncontrolled viral growth,” Dr. Craig Jenne, infectious disease researcher and a Canada Research Chair at the University of Calgary, told CTV News Channel on Sunday.

“If Alberta was the size of Ontario, we'd be talking about over 8,000 cases in a single day,” Jenne said.

Alberta’s seven-day average for cases per 100,000 people nearly doubles that of Ontario – which is in the midst of its own troubling third wave – with 41.43 cases, according to CTV News’ COVID-19 case tracker.

“We’re in a lot of trouble here and we really need help,” Calgary emergency room physician Dr. Joe Vipond told CTV News Channel. “There’s a whole raft of measures that could be put in place in order to mitigate the spread, we just haven't been able to convince our leaders to do so.”

According to CTVNews.ca’s tracker which calculates reported cases per million people each day for American states and Canadian provinces and territories, Alberta ranks second with 414.3. Only Michigan, with 427.3 cases per million people, are ahead of them. Ontario and Nunavut are ranked eighth and ninth, respectfully.

Vipond, a clinical assistant professor at the Cumming School of Medicine at the University of Calgary, called the third wave in the province “predictable and preventable,” adding that “we could have avoided this, but now we're in the thick of it because our leaders have really avoided making those hard decisions,” he said.

Jenne echoed that, saying there’s “no real evidence that any of the restrictions so far are bringing these numbers under control.”

'HARD TO IMAGINE' NEW RULES WILL BE ENOUGH: DOCTOR

In light of the mounting cases, Alberta Premier Jason Kenney last Thursday announced new restrictions for cities with high COVID-19 case counts, such as Edmonton, Calgary, Fort McMurray and Red Deer.

These measures included shutting down indoor fitness and indoor sports, and moving all junior and senior high schools to online-only learning.

But Jenne said the measures are not enough and that “current restrictions are below those that we needed in December to bring wave two under control.” Vipond agreed, calling the new measures “minimal.”

“These aren't really major announcements. It's really hard to imagine that this is going to make any difference,” he said. “And the sad reality with exponential growth is we can expect things to be getting much, much worse before they get better.”

Vipond said in order to mitigate the recent wave, the government needs to enact measures across the province, not just in major cities. He suggested closing non-essential retail, limiting people going into essential businesses and closing schools from kindergarten through to grade six, which he acknowledges will be hard on parents.

He also said the province needs to more strongly urge the use of masks and to force employees who can work from home to stop going into the office.

Jenne said that measures may be too little too late when it comes to an expected spike in intensive care unit cases.

“As pointed out, even by the premier last week, if that curve stopped today, if it flattened today and started to go down, we can anticipate intensive care unit admissions to continue to rise for probably the next two weeks.”

He said hospitals are now scrambling to ensure they not only have additional beds, but also health-care staff to tend to patients.

New coronavirus variants now make up more than 60 per cent of all cases in the province.

“It’s huge not only because we know they are more transmissible, but we also know that they have an increased impact on younger patients,” Vipond said, noting he’s seen increased ICU visits among younger Canadians.

PEOPLE TAKING CUE FROM LEADERS?

Vipond said some Albertans appear to have taken their cue not to take the rules seriously from elected leaders, whose approach he said has been more hands-off than it should have been throughout the pandemic.

Many people continue to flout guidelines from public health officials. On Saturday, thousands flocked to a “No More Lockdowns” rodeo in rural Alberta. Jenne said his frustration regarding these rule-breakers is “difficult to put into words.”

He said people have no excuse because, for more than a year, Canadians have known how to stop the spread.

“People have sacrificed so much to preserve our health-care system and to preserve… literally the lives of our neighbours and our community members.”

Although law enforcement was on the scene, the gathering wasn’t broken up. Both doctors urged officials to crack down on those breaking the rules.

“We’ve had instances when our political leaders have been, in the past, minimizing the pandemic calling it the flu,” he said. “They’ve been passively endorsing protests like this and they’ve refused to really crack down on any of these protests.”

Jenne saying without that, “we essentially have no tools left to bring these viral numbers under control.”

Vipond said “every time I see somebody who is unwell with COVID, I'm reminded that we should be doing a lot better.”

He did note, however, that vaccinations across the province have led the mortality rate during the third wave to be been much lower than the second wave.

“It’s really a testament to the power of vaccines and why it's really important that everybody get their vaccine shot.”

 

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Please watch this (12 minute) video:

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I'd just like to point out that I posted on these forums last March that I thought the idea of "asymptomatic spread" was BS and that the key to beating Covid (or any virus) was taking Vitamin D.

The idea that Covid is somehow completely different from every other virus on the planet and can spread from asymptomatic people is ridiculous.  Just think about what you have been told and ask yourself - does it make any sense?

 

 

 

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31 minutes ago, seeker said:

Please watch this (12 minute) video:

https://videopress.com/v/PsDioMI7?fbclid=IwAR0taK_KaCmV_oM1JkOTfPHcNuQPVB14RWRb09wQoKjuocoaHU6FxIwy4g4

I'd just like to point out that I posted on these forums last March that I thought the idea of "asymptomatic spread" was BS and that the key to beating Covid (or any virus) was taking Vitamin D.

The idea that Covid is somehow completely different from every other virus on the planet and can spread from asymptomatic people is ridiculous.  Just think about what you have been told and ask yourself - does it make any sense?

 

 

 

Fact check:

https://factcheck.afp.com/canadian-doctors-make-inaccurate-covid-19-claims-video

I will still take my scientific advice from virologists and not from a homeopath.

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15 minutes ago, deicer said:

Fact check:

https://factcheck.afp.com/canadian-doctors-make-inaccurate-covid-19-claims-video

I will still take my scientific advice from virologists and not from a homeopath.

Yeah, I'm aware.  You believe who you want to believe.  Personally, I think the science on Vitamin D is perfectly clear.  I believe the science on asymptomatic spread is perfectly clear.  Taking Vitamin D has a significant prophylactic effect and asymptomatic spread is nonsense.  Ask yourself - does taking Vitamin D for pennies a day seem worthwhile?  Does asymptomatic spread seem like it could actually be possible?

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12 minutes ago, deicer said:

Living a healthy lifestyle  is the best prophylactic.   

Unqualified people putting out videos like that only cause more problems.

They are doctors - more qualified than you or I to comment.

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